In this episode of The School of Greatness, host Lewis Howes and guest Scott Donnell discuss strategies for teaching children about money and instilling positive financial habits. Donnell emphasizes the importance of passing on a family's values and heritage, rather than just material wealth. He shares practical systems he's developed, such as the "home economy" to teach kids about earning, budgeting, and creating value.
Donnell also offers advice on cultivating an abundance mindset around money, distinguishing between appreciating and depreciating debt, and striking a balance between generosity and enabling dependency. The conversation provides a framework for parents to have open conversations about money with their children and equip them with financial skills and healthy perspectives from an early age.
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Scott Donnell emphasizes passing on heritage - values, mindsets, skill sets - over just inheritance and material wealth. He advocates involving children in family decisions and activities like "dinnerviews" to reinforce family values. Donnell stresses creating a "family DNA" of core values like faith, integrity, and hard work.
Donnell created the "home economy" system to teach children about earning, budgeting, and creating value beyond just doing chores for allowance. Children have "expected standards" as family members and optional paid "gigs" to learn value creation. Donnell suggests tying compensation to value produced, not time spent. He also involves children in budgeting and planning household expenses.
Donnell discusses overcoming money trauma and scarcity mindsets by shifting to an abundance mentality focused on value creation. He emphasizes separating self-worth from net worth - money simply amplifies existing traits, good or bad, but true wealth stems from relationships, service, and values.
Donnell discerns between generous "I love you" gifts that uplift recipients and "coasting" gifts that enable dependency. He advocates teaching giving and value creation. For debt, Donnell distinguishes between "appreciating" and "depreciating" debt and stresses maintaining financial discipline over entitlement.
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Scott Donnell elaborates on the importance of imparting not just wealth, but values and life lessons to family, focusing on heritage over inheritance.
Donnell discusses various methods by which families can pass on their legacies, emphasizing that it's about much more than material wealth.
Donnell criticizes the financial industry’s focus on inheriting assets. He points out that wealth is often squandered by the third generation and that inheritance can lead to more issues for the recipients. Instead, he believes heritage which involves passing down values, mindsets, skill sets, and a family's essence, is much richer than material wealth. Heritage means taking pride in the family name and in what that name stands for, such as being generous or hardworking.
Donnell introduces the concept of "dinnerviews," a practice where his family's children conduct interviews during meals with a diverse set of guests, including investors and family friends, allowing them to learn from others' experiences and wisdom. He shares that involving children in building the family's essence and the 'smell' that the family name brings up is essential. By engaging in these discussions, children internalize family values and understand their role within the larger heritage. Donnell also describes an activity where children hunt for daily stories that demonstrate family values, sharing them during dinner, reinforcing the idea of involving kids in the family's collective decisions.
Donnell stresses the creation of a family DNA or crest that captures the family's core values. His family adheres to values summed up as "faith, family, and fish" which encapsulate core principles like faith, family, fun and adventure, integrity, service, and hard work. These values are instilled in the children daily, and t ...
Passing on family legacy and values
Scott Donnell shares his insights on implementing practical methods to educate children about money through systems like the "home economy," rather than the traditional allowance-for-chores approach.
Donnell criticizes the simple giving of allowances for chores as ineffective and equates it with socialism. Instead, he created the "home economy" system, which teaches children about expectations as family members, managing expenses, and earning extra money through "gigs."
Donnell clarifies that chores should be split into two categories: "expectations" and "gigs." Expectations, such as making the bed or doing the dishes, are standards of being part of the family and are not compensated. On the other hand, "gigs" are tasks that go beyond these standards, providing children with the opportunity to earn money. Donnell argues that children should understand their family values and that by participating in gigs they learn where to go to earn money for their upcoming expenses.
Donnell emphasizes that compensation should be tied to the creation of value, not just the time spent on an activity. He proposes "brain gigs," like learning from podcasts or TED Talks, where children can earn by reporting what they've learned, stressing the importance of the value created from the activity.
He encourages children to look for opportunities to create value within the family or the community, and for parents to decide how much that contribution is worth. This way, children learn to create material, emotional, and spiritual value. Paid tasks, or "gigs," provide a way for children to earn money and learn the concept of value creation.
Practical systems and strategies for teaching children about money
Donnell talks about achieving financial success without compromising one's integrity and the importance of embedding value creation in children. The conversation underscores the significance of not equating financial status with self-worth.
Lewis Howes introduces the concept of money trauma and discusses how it affects families, even contributing to divorces and causing resentment. Donnell echoes this concern, referencing a study that showed financial competencies are not well passed on to children. Donnell points out that the traditional methods taught to parents, such as giving allowances and suggesting lemonade stands, might not be effective. He underlines the importance of teaching children how to earn money as a means of encouraging an abundance mentality over a scarcity mindset.
Scott Donnell highlights the negative connotation of money that contributes to it being viewed as a source of conflict. He suggests overcoming money trauma by addressing viewpoints on money, understanding how someone was raised with it, and discussing future financial aspirations to help partners align and overcome previous negative mindsets related to money.
Donnell presents the idea that individuals can view challenging situations as opportunities for growth, implying that such situations can become learning opportunities and ways to help others. He also stresses the importance of teaching children to create value, not just money, emphasizing that focusing on value creation can lead to a healthier relationship with money.
Donnell discusses the importance of understanding that money should not be tied to one's identity and should be seen as a store of value. He encourages finding ways to create material value in the world by leveraging personal skills and passions. Donnell stresses the importance of charging for results, not time and effort, as a foundational principle for creating value and establishing a life of wealth.
Donnell touches on the dangers of a scarcity mindset, which he associates with a close connection between self-worth and financial status. He advocates for the idea that one's worth shouldn't be measured b ...
Developing a healthy money mindset and psychology
The complex relationship adults have with money spans the spectrum from generous giving to the wise management of debt. Reflecting on personal experiences and broader societal practices, Scott Donnell and Lewis Howes explore the principles of financial wisdom and generosity, as well as the nuanced approaches to dealing with debt.
Donnell introduces the idea that there are two types of gifts: "I love you" gifts that are given out of love and "coasting" gifts that potentially diminish the recipient's desire to create value. The concern is that generous gifts should not encourage dependency but should instead foster growth and self-sufficiency in the recipient. Donnell proposes that generosity needs to be thoughtful to enable the recipient to continue striving for personal achievement.
He advocates for a system where children learn the value of money and generosity firsthand. Children are encouraged to earn the money needed to purchase gifts for others, thereby understanding the concept of giving and value creation intimately. Donnell highlights the importance of teaching children about money and the impact of giving, rather than simply providing for every need or want. By involving kids in giving decisions and explaining the value behind each act of generosity, parents can foster a sense of service and contribution in their children.
In the context of debt, Donnell makes a distinction between "appreciating" debt, like mortgages or business loans that could potentially increase in value, and "depreciating" debt, such as high-interest credit cards or controversially, college debt. Donnell suggests a strategy where parents could match dollar for dollar what their kids save and earn towards college, incentivizing them to value their education and seek scholarships and grants, thus teaching the importance of creating value and avoiding harmful debt.
Donnell mentions the impact of his family ...
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