The Secret to Stopping Fear & Creating the Future You Want with Shonda Rhimes
In this episode of The Mel Robbins Podcast, television creator Shonda Rhimes discusses her transformation from a life ruled by fear to one of embracing new experiences. After realizing she routinely said "no" to opportunities outside her work, Rhimes embarked on what she called the "Year of Yes," accepting invitations and challenges that previously scared her, from public speaking to television appearances.
The conversation explores how facing fears helped dissolve them, and how Rhimes learned to distinguish between growth opportunities and obligations that didn't serve her well-being. She shares her journey of physical and personal development, including lifestyle changes and discovering new interests, while emphasizing the importance of trusting oneself over conforming to external expectations. Rhimes also discusses how she now encourages her daughters to embrace their authenticity rather than trying to fit in.
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Shonda Rhimes' Fearful Life Amid Success
Despite her success as a television titan, Shonda Rhimes reveals she lived a life constrained by fear and introversion. While creating compelling stories and dreams on television, Rhimes found herself saying "no" to nearly every real-world opportunity, leading to a stagnant personal life that stood in stark contrast to the exciting lives of her fictional characters.
Shonda's "Year of Yes" Transformation
After her sister pointed out that she never said "yes" to anything, Rhimes embarked on a transformative journey she called the "Year of Yes." She committed to accepting everything that scared her, including giving the Dartmouth College commencement speech and appearing on Jimmy Kimmel's show. Through this process, Rhimes discovered that facing fears actually helped dissolve them, and even her "magnificent disasters" became valuable learning experiences.
Shonda's Self-Discovery: Body and Fulfillment
Rhimes shares how she previously viewed her body merely as a vessel for her brain, leading a sedentary lifestyle dominated by comfort food. With her doctor's guidance, she began making small changes, focusing on water intake and hunger awareness. This journey extended beyond physical health when she moved to Connecticut during the pandemic, where she discovered new interests, including golf, which she pursued despite initial difficulties.
Honesty With Yourself and Prioritizing Needs
Through her "Year of Yes," Rhimes learned to distinguish between growth opportunities and obligations that didn't serve her well-being. She emphasizes the importance of trusting oneself over conforming to external expectations, encouraging others to start with small internal "yeses" for personal transformation. Rhimes now teaches her daughters to "fit out" rather than "fit in," promoting authenticity over conformity.
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- Create a "Yes Jar" where you write down one small fear or discomfort each week and draw one to tackle. This could be as simple as initiating a conversation with a stranger or trying a new food. The physical act of drawing a challenge from the jar turns it into a game and can make the process of facing fears more approachable and less daunting.
- Develop a "Growth or Obligation?" decision-making tool for your phone or computer. Whenever you're presented with an opportunity, the tool prompts you to answer a series of questions designed to help you determine whether this is a chance for growth or just another obligation. Questions might include "Does this align with my values?" or "Am I excited about the possibilities this opportunity presents?"
- Start a "Fit Out" journal where you document daily instances where you chose authenticity over conformity. This could be wearing an outfit that makes you feel good despite current fashion trends or sharing an unpopular opinion during a meeting. Reflecting on these moments at the end of each day reinforces the value of personal authenticity and can gradually build the confidence to make more significant, authentic choices.
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Shonda Rhimes' Fearful Life Amid Success
Shonda Rhimes, while a titan in television, reveals a contrast between her prolific career and her personal life, marked by introversion and fear.
Shonda Felt Introverted and Afraid Despite Her Tv Success
Despite the confidence Shonda Rhimes had in her writing voice, she was very introverted and afraid of almost everything else. Rhimes was creating dreams on television, but this did not extend to her personal life. She was deeply uncomfortable in real situations, finding them starkly different from the worlds she conjured in her mind.
Shonda's Life Shrank and Grew Unhappy as She Said "No" To New Experiences Out of Fear and Discomfort
Rhimes was writing and producing some of the most compelling stories on television yet living in what she felt was a very small corner of the world. She was unwilling to step out of her comfort zone, saying no to nearly every request made of her due to shyness and discomfort. This pattern of refusal out of fear led to a life that had become very small and wrought with unhappiness.
Shonda Saw Her Characters Living Exciting Lives, While Her ...
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- Challenge yourself to say "yes" to one new experience each week to break out of your comfort zone. Start small by accepting invitations to social gatherings or trying out a new hobby. This gradual approach can help you become more comfortable with unfamiliar situations and may lead to a more fulfilling life.
- Create a "character dossier" for yourself, imagining you as the protagonist of your own story. Write down the traits you admire in your favorite characters and set goals to embody those traits in real life. For example, if you admire a character's bravery, set a goal to tackle a fear of yours within the next month.
- Design a "fear-facing" plan where you i ...
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Shonda's "Year of Yes" Transformation
Shonda Rhimes reveals a transformative period in her life when she ventured into saying "yes" to everything, sparked by a simple observation from her sister.
Sister's Challenge Sparks Shonda's Transformation By Embracing Fears
Shonda Rhimes embarked on her "Year of Yes" journey after her sister pointed out that she never said "yes" to anything. This challenge set the stage for tremendous personal growth. Rhimes decided to say "yes" to everything that scared her for one year, pushing through discomfort at least once a week and opening herself up to new experiences that would ultimately change her life.
Shonda Embraced Scary Opportunities Like Giving a Commencement Speech and Appearing On Live TV
In what she described as a courageous step in a year dedicated to embracing fears, Rhimes accepted opportunities like giving the Dartmouth College commencement speech and appearing on a live TV episode with Jimmy Kimmel. Although she found the latter traumatic, she followed through as part of her commitment. These experiences led her to meet many interesting people who shared how saying "yes" changed their lives, something Rhimes never anticipated when she set out on this personal journey.
Shonda's "Year Of Yes" Taught Her to Face Fears, Build Confidence, and Discover Self
Facing Fears Undo Fear
Rhimes confesses that saying "no" had become such an entrenched habit that saying "yes" was almost unthinkable. However, as she began to face her fears, Rhimes found that doing so undid the fear itself. Facing fears, even if they seemed insurmountable at first, and making a move rather than saying no and remaining stagnant was key to her transformation.
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- Saying "yes" to everything may not be practical or healthy for everyone; individuals have different thresholds for stress and anxiety, and what worked for Rhimes might be overwhelming for others.
- The concept of saying "yes" to everything could lead to overcommitment and burnout if not approached with balance and self-awareness.
- While facing fears can lead to personal growth, it is also important to recognize and respect one's limits and to say "no" when necessary for mental health and well-being.
- The narrative might oversimplify the complexity of fear and anxiety disorders, where professional help and therapy are often needed beyond just a willingness to say "yes."
- The idea that saying "yes" can undo fear may not apply to all types of fears, especially those rooted in trauma or deep-seated phobias.
- The emphasis on saying "yes" to overcome fears might inadvertently minimize the value of introspection and cautious decision-making in personal growth.
- The "Year of Yes" approach could be criticized for potentially encouraging impu ...
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- Start a "Yes Journal" to document your journey of embracing new challenges. Each week, write down one thing that scares you and make a plan to say "yes" to it. This could be as simple as initiating a conversation with a stranger or as complex as signing up for a public speaking course. The act of writing it down commits you to the challenge and allows you to reflect on the experience and its outcomes.
- Create a "Fear Map" to visualize and confront your fears. Draw a mind map with your central fear in the middle and branch out with reasons why it scares you and potential positive outcomes of facing it. For example, if you're afraid of networking, branches could include "meeting new people," "learning from others," and "finding new opportunities." This helps you see the potential benefits and breaks down the fear into manageable parts.
- Develop a "Disaster Debrief" practice after each new challenge you take on. Wheth ...
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Shonda's Self-Discovery: Body and Fulfillment
Shonda Rhimes, the renowned television producer and writer, shares her journey of self-discovery which involved a newfound appreciation for her body and the balance of work and personal life.
Shonda Realized She Hadn't Appreciated Her Body, Seeing It As a Vessel for Her Brain
Shonda Rhimes discusses her awakening to the disconnection she felt from her body. She describes her previous lifestyle as sedentary, with a routine entrenched in comfort food and little movement. Fear and anxiety about her body image were so overwhelming that it sometimes made it difficult for her to leave the house.
Shonda Embraced Health, Making Small Changes For Weight Loss and a Deeper Connection to Her Physicality
Shonda's journey to reconnect with her body began with seeking her doctor's help. Her doctor recommended drinking more water and being mindful of her hunger cues. Shonda realized that she had previously used food as an emotional crutch rather than a source of nourishment. Through these insights and changes, although not specified in detail, Rhimes lost a significant amount of weight. More importantly, she felt connected to her body, understanding it as an integral part of who she is. She overcame the comfort of unhealthy habits by embracing small, health-minded changes.
Work Consumed Shonda's Life, Leaving No Time For Hobbies
Outside the office, Rhimes realized that work had consumed her life, leaving no time for hobbies. She hadn't pursued any personal interests since starting her family and "Grey's Anatomy" roughly 30 years ago. During the pandemic, Shonda took the bold step of moving away from Los Angeles to Connecticut, realizing that her environment was not conducive to the life she wanted.
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- Create a gratitude journal focused on your body to foster appreciation. Start by writing down three things you're grateful for about your body each day. This could be as simple as being thankful for your hands that allow you to type or your legs that carry you where you need to go. Over time, this practice can shift your perspective to see your body as more than just a vessel for your brain.
- Schedule weekly "exploration hours" to discover new interests. Block out a consistent time slot each week to try a new activity or hobby that you've never done before, like painting, hiking, or learning a musical instrument. This dedicated time encourages you to step away from work and engage in activities that bring you joy, similar to how moving home gave Shonda the opportunity to explore golf.
- Implement a "micro-change" habit tracker for health goals. Choose one small health- ...
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Honesty With Yourself and Prioritizing Needs
Shonda Rhimes shares insights on personal growth and the power of saying "yes" to the right opportunities and "no" when necessary to protect your wellbeing and authenticity.
Shonda Learned Which "yes" Opportunities Served Her Growth and Fulfillment
Shonda Rhimes found that saying "yes" often led her to uncomfortable social settings or activities that she realized did not serve her growth and fulfillment. From these experiences, she learned more about what serves her personal growth and when saying "yes" is simply to please others at her own expense. During her "Year of Yes," she found it equally important to learn when to say "no," helping her discover what worked for her and what did not. She explained that the more she exercised saying "yes," the more she strengthened the ability to know when to say "no," which helped her prioritize her needs that lead to fulfillment.
Shonda Urges Trusting Oneself Over Conforming To External Expectations
Shonda Rhimes has learned to trust herself over external expectations. By reflecting on her characters who exhibit reluctance toward conventional paths, she realized she was not expressing or making real her own internal rejections of such paths. Rhimes advises weighing whether saying "yes" to an invitation is genuinely for oneself or out of obligation to others, advocating for personal happiness over external pressures.
Shonda's Advice: Begin Small, Saying "yes" To Yourself For Personal Transformation
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- While saying "yes" to growth opportunities is beneficial, it's important to recognize that not everyone has the same capacity or privilege to choose which opportunities to accept or decline.
- The concept of saying "no" to protect wellbeing is valid, but it's also important to acknowledge that some individuals may not feel empowered to say "no" due to various social, economic, or professional pressures.
- Trusting oneself over external expectations is a strong principle, but there are circumstances where external feedback can be valuable and necessary for personal or professional development.
- Starting with small internal "yeses" is a good strategy for some, but others may find that significant change requires more substantial and immediate actions.
- Teaching children to prioritize authenticity over conformity is important, but it's also necessary to equip them with the skills to navigate systems and structures that may not always value individual authenticity.
- Affirming one's worth and capability is crucial, but it should be balanced with a realistic self-assessment to ensure personal growth and avoid potential blind spots in one's abilities or behaviors.
- Advocating for personal happiness over external pressures i ...
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- Create a "Yes and No" journal to track decisions that align with personal growth. Each day, write down opportunities you said "yes" to and those you declined, noting the reasons and how they relate to your values and growth. This practice will help you become more conscious of your choices and their impact on your personal development.
- Set up a weekly "Authenticity Check-in" with a friend or family member. During these sessions, discuss instances where you felt pressured to conform and how you handled them. This accountability partnership encourages you to stay true to yourself and provides a support system for practicing authenticity.
- Develop a personal affirmation routine ...
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