In this episode of The Mel Robbins Podcast, Mel Robbins and guest Ethan Kross examine the nature of negative self-talk and its effects on daily life. They explore different types of internal dialogue—including rumination about the past, worry about the future, and self-criticism—and explain how these patterns can drain cognitive resources and impact performance.
The discussion outlines practical strategies for managing negative thoughts, such as "distanced self-talk" and mental time travel techniques. Robbins and Kross also address the role of environment in shaping internal dialogue, including how exposure to nature can shift perspective and how supportive relationships can help individuals navigate challenging mental states.
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In this podcast episode, Mel Robbins and Ethan Kross explore the universal experience of negative self-talk. Kross emphasizes that experiencing worry, rumination, and self-criticism is completely normal, though people often feel ashamed of these thoughts. This negative self-talk, which Kross calls 'chatter,' can significantly impact cognitive resources, making it difficult to focus and perform effectively while leaving individuals feeling overwhelmed and exhausted.
Kross identifies three primary forms of negative self-talk. Rumination involves obsessively replaying past events without resolution, which impairs present-moment engagement. Worry focuses on future "what-ifs" and catastrophizing, leading to anxiety and unproductive thinking patterns. Self-criticism involves harsh self-judgment, which Robbins illustrates through her personal experience during workouts, noting how it can significantly undermine self-esteem and confidence.
Several effective strategies are discussed for managing negative self-talk. Kross introduces "distanced self-talk," which involves referring to oneself by name and using second-person pronouns to create psychological distance from negative thoughts. He also suggests mental time travel as a tool to gain perspective on the temporary nature of difficult emotions. Additionally, both Robbins and Kross emphasize the value of personal rituals, such as organizing spaces or journaling, as ways to regain control over negative thought patterns.
The environment plays a crucial role in managing negative self-talk. Kross explains that exposure to nature can provide a restorative effect and induce a "self-shrinking" perspective shift. He also emphasizes the importance of "chatter advisors" - supportive individuals who can both validate experiences and offer constructive guidance. Finally, Kross discusses the value of invisible support, which helps individuals manage their struggles subtly through simple gestures like hugs or acts of service without drawing attention to their challenges.
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The podcast addresses the ubiquity of negative self-talk—why it happens, how common it is, and the toll it can take on various aspects of one’s life.
Mel Robbins introduces the podcast by focusing on the listener's desire to manage their inner voice and become more self-encouraging. Ethan Kross emphasizes that experiences of worry, rumination, or a harsh inner critic are a typical aspect of the human condition. Despite many people feeling bad about themselves during these negative emotional states, Kross reassures them that it’s completely normal to go through such moments occasionally. He notes that individuals often engage in self-dialogue that they wouldn't consider directing towards others and that they find these thoughts so unpleasant they're ashamed to voice or record them.
Kross also indicates that while people generally expect life to be safe and predictable, facing challenges can make the brain hyper-focus on obstacles, which can lead to persistent negative self-talk. Moreover, Kross and Robbins mention that everyone occasionally experiences 'chatter,' which refers to a range of negative self-talk including rumination, worry, and self-criticism.
Ethan Kross explains the detrimental impact that ‘chatter,’ or negative manifestations of the inner voice, can have. Such persistent negative self-tal ...
Prevalence and Impacts of Negative Self-Talk and "Chatter"
Negative self-talk can have detrimental effects on one’s mental well-being. Robbins and Kross explore different types, including rumination, worry, and self-criticism, each with its own impacts on mental health.
Rumination involves constantly replaying the past without progressing towards resolution. Kross explains this as a type of chatter characterized by an inner voice that loops over problems unproductively.
Kross notes that rumination creates a vortex where individuals get stuck on past events, which impairs their ability to engage in the current moment or concentrate on tasks like reading or conversations.
Worry concerns future "what ifs" and leads to creating worst-case scenarios in one's mind.
Kross shares a personal anecdote where he frets about his daughter's schooling, revealing how negative self-talk in the form of worry leads to anxiety and unproductive patterns of thought. Kross stresses that people often aren't taught how to navigate out of these negative spirals, underscoring the importance o ...
Different Types of Negative Self-Talk
Experts provide actionable strategies and tools for dealing with intrusive negative self-talk, shifting from self-criticism to constructive coaching, and finding psychological relief.
Ethan Kross explains that managing negative self-talk effectively often requires a combination of tools. One effective strategy is using distanced self-talk, which involves referring to oneself by name and the second-person "you." By doing so, individuals shift to an advisory mode, resembling coaching rather than criticism.
Robbins provides examples from her own practice, such as affirmations like "Mel, you can handle this. It's not that big of a deal." Kross mentions using this technique himself when exercising, motivating himself by saying, "Come on, Ethan, you got this." This creates a psychological distance from negative thoughts, which helps individuals approach situations as challenges they can manage, rather than threats.
Kross introduces the concept of mental time travel to gain perspective on the temporality of emotions. By visualizing how one might feel about an issue in the future, individuals can find reassurance and reduce the perceived urgency of current problems. Robbins resonates with this tool, noting that considering the short-term future calms her down.
Kross recounts his own practice of mental time travel, such as reflecting on his grandmother's hardships during World War II to put his current struggles into perspective. Contemplating how one will feel next year can turn the volume down on internal chatter, shifting attention away from the immediate intensity of emotions.
Rituals and environmental organization are presented as both ancient tools and modern techniques to fight chatter. Rituals, while sometimes seen with negativity due to their association with anxiety, can provide control and comfort.
Kross describes how he instinctively organizes or cleans when overwhelmed, which brings him relief from negative thoughts. Even simple acts ...
Strategies and Tools to Manage Negative Self-Talk
The influences of our surroundings, the people in our lives, and even unseen support can fundamentally shape the conversations we have with ourselves.
Ethan Kross highlights the profound impact of green spaces on our emotional lives. Research indicates that negative self-talk can consume our attention, but exposure to nature offers a restorative effect. Sight, sound, and smell in green spaces provide a gentle break from self-consuming negative thoughts and help work through problems by shifting perspective.
Mel Robbins shares her experience of walking in nature during a troubling time. The physical act of walking, observing the moon set, and hearing an owl pulled her away from negative thoughts. Kross explains that experiencing awe, like witnessing something vast as the moon, can cause a "self-shrinking" effect, making personal problems seem less significant in contrast with nature's immensity. He personally finds relief by walking in the arboretum, which helps put his issues into perspective.
Having someone in one's life who recommends supportive resources, such as a helpful podcast episode, signifies the presence of caring individuals who can offer advice on managing self-talk. Ethan Kross stresses the importance of "chatter advisors" who can fulfill two key roles: validating experiences and offering constructive guidance. This two-step advising process involves empathetic listening followed by advisory input, which includes asking for permission to give advice.
Kross notes common advising mistakes, such as simply allowing someone to vent without offering solutions or providing unsolicited advice without empathy. He recommends a “chatter advisor audit” to identify individuals who can best serve on one's personal advisor board. It’s important to note that proximity to someone doesn’t guarantee their ability to advise well; some may exacerbate the problem rather than help.
How Environment, Relationships, and External Factors Shape Self-Talk
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