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The Only Dating Advice You'll Ever Need

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On this episode of The Mel Robbins Podcast, host Mel Robbins and dating expert Logan Ury examine the ways technology and dating apps have transformed dating habits and mindsets in the modern era. While apps provide greater opportunities for finding potential partners, they also enable unrealistic expectations and unhealthy behaviors like ghosting and endless "perfection-seeking."

Ury outlines multiple counterproductive dating mindsets — from the excessively romantic to the perpetually insecure — and provides practical strategies for overcoming these challenges. The discussion covers how to create an authentic dating profile, actively participate in the dating process, and shift the focus from checklists to shared values and compatibility. Additionally, Ury offers perspectives tailored to the experiences and potential pitfalls of younger and older daters.

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The impact of technology and dating apps on modern dating

Dating apps offer opportunities and challenges for forming relationships, according to this podcast episode.

Apps have expanded potential partner pools but also created unrealistic expectations

Logan Ury highlights that apps help those in "thin dating markets," like LGBTQ+ and over-40 communities, find more partners. Yet Mel Robbins notes apps can also foster unrealistic expectations and a mindset of continually seeking perfection.

Dating challenges aren't new but are amplified by technology

Ghosting, breadcrumbing, and other irksome dating behaviors existed before apps, but Ury says technology has amplified them. Apps make avoiding difficult conversations easier, hindering vulnerability.

Common unhelpful dating mindsets and behaviors

The episode outlines several mindsets that undermine healthy relationships:

The "romanticizer" seeks an unrealistic fairytale

Ury says romanticizers believe a soulmate will make relationships effortless, setting them up for disappointment. She advises focusing on the work of sustaining relationships.

The "maximizer" endlessly searches for someone better

Maximizers refuse to "settle," always questioning their partner choice. Ury suggests grieving this tendency and redefining "deal breakers."

The "hesitator" avoids dating due to insecurity

Hesitators wait until feeling fully ready, which Ury says delays gaining crucial experience. She recommends starting before feeling ready.

Practical strategies for successful dating

Create an authentic dating profile

Ury advises using clear photos representing your true appearance and hobbies/personality. Robbins stresses accurately portraying yourself.

Be an active participant

Ury encourages initiating conversations, practicing social skills like flirting/small talk, and going to interactive events.

Shift from perfection to building a fulfilling relationship

Focus less on checklists and more on shared values/chemistry, Ury suggests. Be willing to compromise on less vital traits.

Perspectives and advice for different age groups

Younger daters often fear rejection/vulnerability

Ury says this age should experiment by dating various people. Robbins notes they can retreat from discomfort. Both urge getting experience through real interactions.

Older daters have self-knowledge but also "baggage"

Ury says they know how to love but may struggle with modern dating. Robbins cites dealing with outdated expectations as a challenge. Yet wisdom can help find compatible partners.

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  • Ghosting is when someone suddenly stops all communication without explanation, typically in a dating context. It leaves the person being ghosted feeling confused and rejected. Breadcrumbing is when someone gives just enough attention to keep someone interested but without any intention of committing to a relationship. Both behaviors can be hurtful and are common in modern dating, often facilitated by technology like dating apps.
  • Romanticizers are individuals who believe in an idealized, effortless fairytale version of relationships. Maximizers are people who constantly seek the best possible partner and struggle with settling down. Hesitators are individuals who delay dating due to feelings of insecurity or not feeling fully prepared.
  • Dealing with outdated expectations in the context of modern dating typically involves recognizing and adjusting beliefs or behaviors that may have been more common or acceptable in the past but are no longer relevant or effective in today's dating landscape. This could include traditional gender roles, communication norms, or relationship timelines that may not align with current societal norms. Adapting to these changes can be challenging for older daters who may have grown up with different relationship dynamics and societal expectations. It often requires introspection, open-mindedness, and a willingness to learn and embrace new ways of approaching relationships in the contemporary dating world.

Counterarguments

  • While dating apps can create unrealistic expectations, they also provide a platform for people to learn about their preferences and what they value in a partner, which can lead to more informed decisions in dating.
  • The amplification of dating challenges like ghosting and breadcrumbing by technology could be seen as a reflection of broader societal shifts in communication styles, rather than a direct consequence of the technology itself.
  • Some romanticizers might argue that holding onto the idea of a fairytale relationship can be a form of optimism and hope, which is important in the often cynical world of dating.
  • Maximizers may defend their approach by suggesting that with the vast number of potential partners available, it makes sense to be selective to find the most compatible match.
  • Hesitators might argue that taking time to feel ready for dating can lead to more meaningful and mature relationships, as opposed to rushing in unprepared.
  • The advice to create an authentic dating profile, while generally sound, may overlook the complexities of how people wish to present themselves online, which can include aspirational aspects of their identity.
  • Being an active participant in conversations and events might not suit everyone's personality or dating style; some people may find success in more passive or alternative approaches to dating.
  • The idea of shifting focus from perfection to building fulfilling relationships assumes that these are mutually exclusive goals, whereas some individuals might believe that striving for an ideal partner is part of building a fulfilling relationship.
  • Younger daters might argue that fear of rejection and vulnerability is not unique to their age group and that these feelings can persist at any age.
  • Older daters may contend that their experience and self-knowledge give them an advantage in navigating modern dating, even with the challenges of adapting to new technologies and norms.

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The impact of technology and dating apps on modern dating

Technology has revolutionized the way people connect and form relationships, particularly through dating apps, which offer both opportunities and challenges in the quest for love.

Dating apps have both positives and negatives for finding love

Dating apps have fundamentally changed the way individuals meet and engage with potential partners, offering both benefits and pitfalls in modern dating.

Apps have expanded the pool of potential partners, especially for those in "thin dating markets"

Logan Ury, the director of relationship science at Hinge, notes that dating apps like Hinge are tools meant to improve the dating experience. According to Stanford research, since 2017, online mediums have become the number one way for couples to meet. Apps are especially helpful for those in "thin dating markets," such as individuals over 40, the LGBTQ+ community, and those in rural areas. Mel Robbins also observes that technology has provided the chance to meet people you wouldn’t normally cross paths with in your regular social circles.

But apps have also created unrealistic expectations and a mindset of "relation shopping" rather than truly connecting

On the other hand, Robbins contends that while apps provide a plethora of choices, they can also encourage a perpetual search for the next best thing, fostering inconsiderate behaviors. Logan Ury introduces the concept of "relation shopping," where users approach the search for a partner with a consumer mindset, focusing on a checklist of traits rather than building a genuine connection. Ury further explains that during a live matching event, many people connected who might not have matched on an app due to restrictive filters like age, height, or religion.

The challenges of dating are not unique to apps, but are amplified by the technology

The challenges and psychological dynamics of dating have long existed; however, they are exacerbated in the digital realm.

Behaviors like ghosting, breadcrumbing, and lack of vulnerability existed before apps

Ury points out that common frustrations such as ghosting and difficulty expressing interest predate apps, yet these behaviors are now amplified and associated with the technology. ...

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  • In the context of dating, "thin dating markets" refer to situations where there are limited opportunities to meet potential partners due to factors like age, location, or sexual orientation. These markets are characterized by a scarcity of suitable matches, making it challenging for individuals in these groups to find compatible partners through traditional means. Dating apps have helped bridge this gap by expanding the pool of potential partners for those in "thin dating markets," offering more opportunities to connect with like-minded individuals who may not be easily accessible in their immediate social circles.
  • "Relation shopping" is a concept where individuals approach finding a partner like they would shopping for a product, focusing on a checklist of desired traits rather than building a genuine connection. This mindset can lead to a superficial approach to dating, prioritizing surface-level characteristics over emotional compatibility. It highlights a shift towards a more transactional view of relationships, where people seek specific qualities in a partner akin to selecting items from a menu. This approach can hinder the development of meaningful connections based on shared values and deeper understanding.
  • "Ghosting" in the context of dating refers to the act of suddenly cutting off all communication with someone without any explanation or warning. It involves ignoring messages, calls, and any form of contact, effectively disappearing from the person's life. This behavior can leave the other person feeling confused, hurt, and rejected, as they are left wondering what went wrong without closure. Ghosting is considered a common issue in modern dating, amplified by the ease of communication through technology like dating apps.
  • Breadcrumbing is a dating behavior where someone gives intermittent attention or communication to keep another person interested without committing to a serious relationship. It involves sending small, sporadic messages or gestures to maintain the other person's interest without genuine investment. Breadcrumbing can lead the recipient to believe there is potential for a relationship when, in reality, the sender has no intention of fully committing. This behavior is often seen as manipulative and can create false hope in the recipient.
  • The "paradox of choice" is a concept that suggests having too many options can lead to decision-making difficulties, dissatisfaction, and a sense of ...

Counterarguments

  • While dating apps have expanded the pool of potential partners, they may also lead to a paradox of choice where too many options lead to indecision and dissatisfaction.
  • Meeting people outside of one's social circles can be beneficial, but it may also reduce the likelihood of shared values and common ground, which are important for long-term compatibility.
  • The concept of "relation shopping" might be a misinterpretation of the natural desire to find a compatible partner, and not necessarily a consumerist approach to relationships.
  • The search for the next best thing is not unique to dating apps and can be a reflection of broader societal trends towards instant gratification and choice.
  • While some users may focus on a checklist of traits, others use dating apps to look for genuine connections and may prioritize personal interaction over superficial attributes.
  • Ghosting and difficulty expressing interest may be amplified by technology, but they can also be mitigated by the same technology through features that promote communication and accountability.
  • The psychology behind dating difficulties is complex and cannot be solely attributed to the use of apps; other social and personal factors play a significant role.
  • The abundance of potential matches can be overwhelming, but it also provides an opportunity to meet diverse individuals and learn more about one's preferences and deal-breakers.
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Common unhelpful dating mindsets and behaviors

In the modern dating landscape, there are several common mindsets that can obstruct individuals from finding and maintaining healthy relationships. Recognizing these patterns can empower singles to adjust their approach and achieve more fulfilling connections.

The "romanticizer" seeks an unrealistic fairytale relationship

Romanticizers are in love with the idea of love. With a belief that finding their "soulmate" will make every aspect of the relationship smooth and effortless, they look for a rom-com style love story. Yet, their search for an instant soulmate leads to inevitable discouragement when the natural work and compromise required in real relationships emerge.

Logan Ury remarks on this mindset, focusing on the significance of how couples met—the "WeMet" story—as opposed to the continual effort needed to sustain the bond. Further reinforcing this mindset, a study finds that Gen Z is much more likely to believe in soulmates compared to millennials, which might set them up for disappointment when relationships don't easily align with their idealistic visions.

Ury advises shifting from the soulmate expectation to a focus on building the relationship through ongoing work and adaptation. A vital part of this process is moving away from the assumption that a single spark or immediate chemistry is a reliable indicator of a relationship’s long-term viability.

The "maximizer" has impossibly high standards and always searches for something "better"

Maximizers have an ingrained belief that there is a perfect partner out there, leading to a continual search for this ideal, which can be likened to constructing a "Frankenstein" of desired qualities. They often employ a "relation shopping" mindset, which can result in dissatisfaction with current relationship prospects and a fear of settling, causing them to question their commitment at every turn.

Ury relates to this maximizer tendency personally, acknowledging the challenge it presents in settling down with a partner. She urges maximizers to recognize and grieve this aspect of themselves and then create a plan to move past it. This may involve softening strict filters on dating apps to increase the range of potential partners or redefining the concept of a "deal breaker," distinguishing it from minor pet peeves.

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  • Logan Ury is a behavioral scientist and author known for her expertise in relationships and dating. She has provided insights and advice on navigating the complexities of modern dating through her work and publications. Ury's focus includes understanding human behavior in the context of romantic relationships, offering practical strategies for individuals seeking to improve their dating experiences. Her perspectives often emphasize the psychological aspects of dating dynamics and how individuals can make more informed choices in their pursuit of fulfilling relationships.
  • "Relation shopping" is a mindset where individuals approach dating like shopping for a product, seeking specific qualities in a partner as if selecting items from a store. This approach can lead to constant comparison and dissatisfaction, as the focus is on finding the "perfect" partner rather than building a genuine connection. It often involves setting high standards and being hesitant to commit, fearing that a better option may be out there, similar to how one might shop for the best deal. This mindset can hinder the ability to appreciate and nurture real relationships, as it prioritizes an idealized version of a partner over the complexities and growth that come with genuine connection.
  • The "WeMet" story is the narrative or account of how a couple first met and began their relationship. It holds significance as it often shapes the initial impression and expectations within the relationship. This story can influence how individuals perceive the strength and authenticity of their con ...

Counterarguments

  • While romanticizers may have unrealistic expectations, it's also true that having a sense of romance and idealism can be positive in relationships, fostering a nurturing and affectionate environment.
  • The belief in soulmates isn't inherently negative; for some, it provides a framework that encourages commitment and working through challenges in a relationship.
  • The concept of a "WeMet" story, while not as important as the ongoing effort in a relationship, can still be significant for couples as a cherished memory and foundation of their shared history.
  • Maximizers, though they may have high standards, could also be seen as individuals who know their worth and are unwilling to settle for less than they feel they deserve, which can lead to more satisfying relationships in the long run.
  • The strategy of softening filters on dating apps might not always be beneficial, as it could lead to a larger quantity of matches but not necessarily to an increase in quality or compatibility.
  • Hesitators might actually benefit from waiting until they feel mo ...

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Practical strategies for successful dating

Logan Ury and Mel Robbins provide insights on practical strategies for creating a successful dating life, emphasizing the importance of an authentic dating profile, active participation, and a mindset shift toward building a fulfilling relationship.

Create an intentional, authentic dating profile

Use clear, unfiltered photos that accurately represent your appearance

Logan Ury advises that the first photo in a dating profile should be a clear image of your face without any filters or sunglasses to show what you truly look like. She emphasizes that the photo should be of you alone, with no other people, to avoid confusion among those viewing your profile. It is also suggested to include a full-body shot, as the profiles of successful daters who found matches and subsequently deleted the app often included such photos.

Showcase your hobbies, interests, and personality in your profile content

Robbins notes the importance of creating a dating profile that accurately represents the individual. To paint a picture of what your life is like, Ury recommends including a picture of doing something you love and with friends and family. Icebreakers responded to on a dating app like Hinge should tell a story, showing your vulnerability and a silly side to spark unique conversations on dates. Ury’s suggestion that her client should have hot takes like why Golden Doodles are overrated or why a taco is a sandwich serves to make your profile memorable and provoke thought.

Be an active participant in your dating life, not just reactive

Initiate conversations and interactions rather than just waiting for matches

Ury encourages daters to become active in the dating process by initiating conversations and interactions. She suggests using an "Events Decision Matrix" to prioritize events that encourage interaction and are also enjoyable. Ury recommends being proactive in messaging people, sending comments instead of likes, and finding something unique in a person's profile to comment on. Ury also suggests walking into a date and opening the conversation with something interesting, like a topic heard on a podcast, to engage in a meaningful dialogue.

Practice flirting and small talk to build social skills for in-person interactions

To hone social skills for in-person interactions, Ury defines flirting as interacting with people, and Robbins emphasizes the importance of saying hello to people. Ury encourages practicing talking to people in different situations to prepare for meeting someone of romantic interest. She criticizes typical first date conversations and suggests having real experiences that go beyond small talk, which will lead to more engaging conversations.

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  • While clear, unfiltered photos are generally recommended, some individuals may feel that tasteful filters or artistic photos can also showcase their personality and attract like-minded individuals.
  • Full-body shots can be helpful, but some people may have privacy concerns or body image issues that make them uncomfortable with this suggestion.
  • Showcasing hobbies and interests is important, but there's a risk of oversharing or creating a profile that's too niche, potentially alienating potential matches who might otherwise be compatible.
  • Icebreakers that show vulnerability are good, but they must be balanced with personal safety and comfort, as sharing too much too soon can be off-putting for some.
  • Hot takes can make a profile memorable, but they can also be polarizing and might turn away potential matches who might misinterpret them or disagree strongly.
  • Initiating conversations is proactive, but it can also lead to burnout if not balanced with patience and self-care, especially when not receiving responses.
  • Prioritizing events for interaction is strategic, but it might lead to attending events for the wrong reasons, reducing the enjoyment of the event itself.
  • The advice to practice flirting and small talk could be challenging for introverted or socially anxious individuals who may find these interactions stressful rather than enjoyable.
  • Focusing on shared values and chemistry is important, but it's also necessary to acknowledge that some level of physical attracti ...

Actionables

  • Create a personal branding mood board to refine your dating profile aesthetic, ensuring it aligns with your true self and stands out. Start by gathering images, phrases, and items that represent your personality, interests, and lifestyle. Use this mood board as a guide when selecting or taking new photos and writing profile descriptions, ensuring everything you post is a reflection of the unique brand you've created for yourself.
  • Organize a profile swap event with friends to get constructive feedback and fresh ideas for your dating profile. Invite a group of trusted friends for a casual get-together where everyone reviews each other's profiles in a supportive environment. This can lead to discovering blind spots in how you present yourself and gaining insights into what others find appealing about you that you might not have considered highlighting.
  • Develop a personal inventory of conversation starters based o ...

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Perspectives and advice for different age groups

Dating experts Mel Robbins and Logan Ury discuss the unique challenges and opportunities faced by different age groups in the dating scene, with advice tailored to help each navigate the complexities of modern relationships.

Younger daters (20s-30s) often struggle with fear of rejection and lack of vulnerability

For younger daters in their 20s, Logan Ury suggests this period should be considered one of experimentation. Ury points out that they need to test their assumptions about who they want to be with by dating various types of people. Robbins adds that the experience of dating can be overwhelming for younger daters, who need to face the process rather than retreat.

Ury talks about the "hesitators," indicating that among younger daters, a lack of dating experience frequently leads to fear of rejection and vulnerability. These daters are often crippled by their fear of rejection, wanting love but being unwilling to put themselves out there to avoid the discomfort of rejection.

Robbins and Ury discuss how younger daters seem to prefer the less risky world of dating via phones, where one knows who is single and interested. Robbins underscores the need to engage in conversation and show interest in people around them, not just those behind a screen.

They need to put themselves out there more and not hide behind screens

Robbins encourages younger daters to avoid the comfort of digital interactions and to undertake more in-person conversations, which are necessary for developing genuine connections. Logan Ury supports this by implying that young people need to engage face-to-face, suggesting the importance of developing interpersonal skills through real-life experience.

Developing interpersonal skills through practice is key

The emphasis for younger daters is on the necessity to practice dating, confront rejection, and foster deep connections to become more proficient at dating. This hands-on experience is crucial for overcoming fears and becoming more open to the complexities of romantic relationships.

Older daters (40s+) have advantages like self-knowledge and less pressure, but also challenges

For those in their 40s, 50s, and beyond, Ury indicates that dating is a skill set distinct from the ability to love. Ury mentions that while these individuals know how to love, they may not be adept with contemporary dating practices. Robbins empathizes with older daters who have to navigate dating after significant life changes like divorce or the loss of a spouse, often dealing with more "baggage" and potentially outdated ...

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  • While younger daters may fear rejection, not all individuals in their 20s and 30s lack vulnerability; many are quite open and willing to take emotional risks.
  • Digital interactions can be a legitimate and meaningful way of forming connections, especially for those who are introverted or have social anxiety.
  • Interpersonal skills are important, but some younger daters may already possess strong interpersonal skills and still face challenges in dating due to other factors like cultural or societal expectations.
  • Older daters may not necessarily have less pressure; they can face societal pressures related to age, such as expectations to have settled down or concerns about the biological clock for women.
  • The concept of "baggage" can be stigmatizing; past experiences can also ...

Actionables

  • Challenge yourself to initiate one face-to-face conversation each day with someone new to build your interpersonal skills. Start with simple contexts like a coffee shop or a community event, where you can ask for an opinion on something straightforward, like a menu item or an event feature. This practice will help you become more comfortable with in-person interactions and reduce the fear of rejection over time.
  • Create a "compatibility treasure hunt" where you identify three non-negotiable qualities you seek in a partner and then attend events or activities that align with those qualities. For example, if you value creativity, attend an art class or gallery opening. This approach helps you focus on finding someone with compatible values rather than seeking perfection.
  • Develop a "relationship resume" that includes past experiences and lessons learne ...

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