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486: Warfare: The Missions, The Men, and The Movie. W/ Elliott Miller and Joe Hildebrand.

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In this episode of the Jocko Podcast, Jocko Willink sits down with former Navy SEAL members Elliot Miller and Joe Hildebrand. They recount the harrowing mission in Ramadi, Iraq where both were severely wounded in an enemy attack. Miller sustained life-threatening injuries, including traumatic brain injury, burns, and the loss of a leg. Hildebrand's legs were shattered, requiring extensive surgeries and rehabilitation to recover from the bilateral fractures.

The episode explores Miller and Hildebrand's backgrounds and what prepared them for the demanding Navy SEAL training. It delves into their recovery processes—the challenges, support networks, and healing that came from revisiting their stories. The discussion offers insight into the immense sacrifices of these soldiers and their unwavering dedication to the team.

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486: Warfare: The Missions, The Men, and The Movie. W/ Elliott Miller and Joe Hildebrand.

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Background and Training of the Seal Team Members

Elliot Miller's Upbringing and Early Military Experience

Jocko Willink describes how Elliot Miller's agricultural upbringing, enthusiasm for hunting instilled by his Marine grandfather, and achieving the rank of Eagle Scout prepared him for his SEAL career.

Joe Hildebrand's Small-Town Arkansas Upbringing

Willink recounts Joe Hildebrand's small-town Arkansas roots and his military experience with the Navy Seabees and at Camp David. Joe Hildebrand explains how his passion for fitness and endurance sports, ignited after joining the military, laid the foundation for grueling SEAL training.

The Ramadi Operation and the Challenges They Faced

Enemy Activity Intensifies in Ramadi Before Seal Team's Arrival

Jocko Willink details the sophisticated enemy tactics and casualties suffered by Task Unit Bruiser in Ramadi's intense combat environment prior to SEAL Team 5's arrival.

Tackling Turnover and Training New Seal Team

Willink and Hildebrand recount the challenges of hastily training the incoming SEAL Team 5, including attending funerals of predecessors, emphasizing relationships with other forces, and passing on specialized skills.

Fateful Mission: Attack on Seal Position

On November 19th, 2006, Elliot and Joe were severely wounded when their position was violently attacked. Willink narrates the chaos of coordinating casualty extraction under enemy fire that ultimately claimed the lives of two Iraqi soldiers.

Aftermath and Recovery for Wounded Seal Team Members

Elliot's Severe Injuries and Long Road to Recovery

Willink recounts Elliot's life-threatening injuries, including traumatic brain injury, burns, and the loss of his leg. Elliot underwent years of extensive surgeries and rehabilitation.

Traumatic Brain Injury, Burns, Loss of His Leg

Hildebrand explains how Elliot's severe traumatic brain injury left him with no memory of the mission, while Elliot's burns and shrapnel wounds required delicate treatment and reconstruction.

Extensive Surgeries, Rehab, and Psychological Challenges

Elliot endured numerous surgeries, lengthy rehabilitation away from his team, speech difficulties from his brain injury, and persevered to work at the VA.

Joe's Injuries and Determination to Return

Joe Hildebrand sustained bilateral leg fractures and soft tissue damage, yet was determined to avoid amputation and rejoin his team through surgeries, therapy, and serving as an instructor.

Bilateral Tibia and Fibula Fractures, Soft Tissue Damage

The blast shattered Joe's legs, leaving his future mobility in limbo until doctors could reconstruct his limbs through harvested muscle and hardware.

Refused Amputation, Underwent Numerous Surgeries and Extensive Rehab

Hildebrand chose the arduous path of multiple complex surgeries over amputation to fully recover use of his legs over many months.

Impact and Healing Process for the Team

Willink highlights the team's emotional support system, like Leif aiding Elliot. Hildebrand reveals how sharing their story through projects like "Warfare" provided healing by unpacking trauma.

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  • You can draw inspiration from personal backgrounds to build resilience by identifying aspects of your own upbringing or hobbies that have equipped you with unique strengths, much like the agricultural and fitness backgrounds helped Elliot and Joe. For example, if you grew up playing team sports, reflect on how that experience taught you about teamwork and perseverance, and consider how you can apply those lessons to current challenges.
  • Develop a support network by reaching out to friends or colleagues who share similar experiences or challenges, creating a space for mutual emotional support. This mirrors the way SEAL Team members supported each other through recovery. Start a monthly meet-up or an online group where you can share stories, offer encouragement, and provide practical advice to each other during tough times.
  • Engage in scenario-based preparedness training to enhance your ability to handle unexpected situations, akin to how SEALs train for various challenges. This doesn't require specialized skills; you can start by taking first aid courses, participating in community emergency response team (CERT) programs, or even practicing mindfulness to improve your mental resilience in the face of adversity.

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Background and Training of the Seal Team Members

The upbringing of Elliot Miller and Joe Hildebrand reflects how their early experiences and interests shaped them for their careers as SEAL team members.

Elliot Miller's Upbringing and Early Military Experience

Born as the third of four children, Elliot Miller was raised on a small family farm in Southern Illinois, surrounded by cattle and agricultural land. It was here that Elliot found his love for the outdoors, along with an enthusiasm for shooting and hunting. His interest in firearms was deeply influenced by his grandfather, a Marine who fought in World War II and owned a shop selling guns among other items. Elliot continued to build on these rural roots, earning the rank of Eagle Scout, a distinction that would later fast-track his promotion to E2 immediately following boot camp.

Joe Hildebrand's Small-Town Arkansas Upbringing

Joe Hildebrand, originally from a small town in Arkansas, played baseball while growing up but soon found himself working to support his lifestyle and necessities after high school graduation. Seeking to escape the confines of his small-town life, he joined the Navy Seabees, where his background in construction facilitated a smooth transition. During his service, Hildebrand was stationed for two years at Camp David, responsible for meticulous tasks such as maintaining the President's golf course.

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  • Explore your heritage to find inspiration for a new hobby by researching the pastimes and professions of your ancestors, much like the influence of Elliot Miller's grandfather. For example, if you discover a relative was a skilled woodworker, try your hand at a beginner's woodworking project.
  • Set a personal development goal inspired by the achievements of others, such as aiming to achieve a milestone similar to Elliot Miller's Eagle Scout rank. Start with small, attainable goals like learning survival skills or volunteering in your community, and document your progress.
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The Ramadi Operation and the Challenges They Faced

Jocko Willink and Joe Hildebrand recount the experiences of Navy SEALs in Ramadi, Iraq, detailing the intense combat situations and the casualties that resulted from the operation.

Enemy Activity Intensifies in Ramadi Before Seal Team's Arrival

Jocko Willink describes the enemy’s advanced combined arms operations in Ramadi, including machine guns, RPGs, mortars, and IEDs. They could call for reinforcements and coordinated attacks to reposition and attack the SEALs. Task Unit Bruiser, involved in heavy fighting in this environment, suffered casualties. Members of Seal Team 5 from San Diego had been following the intense action and attended funerals of Task Unit Bruiser casualties.

Tackling Turnover and Training New Seal Team

Jocko Willink and members of Task Unit Bruiser desperately tried to pass on tactical knowledge to the incoming SEAL Team 5. With only two weeks to prepare for deployment to Ramadi and limited time to gain insights from deployed forces, the new team faced a steep learning curve. Joe Hildebrand remembers the sober pre-deployment events, including attending the funeral of Mikey Monsoor.

Willink emphasized the necessity of building relationships with the Army and Marine Corps for strategic success. The team transmitted specialized skills, like quiet house entry techniques, to their successors. Nonetheless, Joe reflects on the team's lack of combat experience and the intense turnover process that often plunged them straight into gunfights.

Fateful Mission: Attack on Seal Position

On November 19th, 2006, the SEAL team's position was violently attacked with grenades, small arms fire, and IEDs. During this engagement, Elliot and Joe were severely wounded, and two Iraqi soldiers were killed. Joe Hildebrand had been forewarned about a perilous area, Papa 10, where previous SEALs had been injured or killed, and tragically, the warning proved accurate.

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The Ramadi Operation and the Challenges They Faced

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  • You can enhance your crisis management skills by simulating high-pressure scenarios. Start by identifying a stressful situation you might encounter, such as a work deadline or a family emergency. Set up a role-play with friends or colleagues where you must make quick decisions, similar to making real-time decisions in combat. Afterwards, debrief to discuss what worked, what didn't, and how you can improve your response to real-life crises.
  • Improve your adaptability by setting up a "limited preparation challenge" for yourself. Choose a complex task you're unfamiliar with, like assembling a piece of furniture without instructions, and give yourself a short time frame to complete it. This mimics the SEAL Team's limited preparation time and helps you develop the ability to perform under time constraints and with incomplete information.
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Aftermath and Recovery for Wounded Seal Team Members

Elliot's Severe Injuries and Long Road to Recovery

The account of Elliot's suffering after being wounded in combat is harrowing. He endured extensive injuries to both his brain and body, including burns and the loss of his leg. On the day Elliot was rushed to San Antonio's intensive care unit, it was uncertain if he would survive the night. He had experienced a traumatic brain injury (TBI), brain swelling, was in a coma, and had his stomach sliced open to look for internal damage. Elliot was covered in burns, and parts of his skin were cut open to relieve pressure from swelling.

Nearly nine months post-injury, Elliot chose to amputate his leg. His rehabilitation took him to Balboa where his physical therapist, who he would eventually marry, treated him. Two years after his injury, Elliot returned to San Diego to begin retirement. Despite the difficulty, Elliot wakes up each day feeling fortunate the injury happened to him, believing others may not have endured what he has.

Traumatic Brain Injury, Burns, Loss of His Leg

Elliot's TBI was so severe that he has no recollection of the mission or the day he was hurt. As he began to regain consciousness and cognitive presence, his brain swelling was a key medical concern. Elliott also underwent the delicate process of reconstructing his genital area after shrapnel wounds. The story of the day of injury has had to be repeated to him multiple times by Joe Hildebrand, highlighting the challenges TBI brings.

Extensive Surgeries, Rehab, and Psychological Challenges

Elliot’s journey towards recovery included numerous surgeries, extensive rehabilitation, and the emotional difficulty of being separated from his teammates. His struggles speaking and repeating things indicate the long-lasting impact of his TBI. Elliot's commitment to continuing life was highlighted through his work at the VA poly trauma center.

Joe's Injuries and Determination to Return

Joe Hildebrand, Elliot's teammate, sustained bilateral tibia and fibula fractures, as well as extensive soft tissue damage. It’s a miracle that his legs weren't amputated in Iraq given the severity of the injuries. Joe underwent a multitude of surgeries, with nails and rods used to reconstruct his legs. Despite the initial reluctance, the overwhelming desire to rejoin his team was a driving force in his recovery. Joe began physical therapy in a trailer behind SEAL Team Five, becoming a BUD/S instructor, which assisted his healing process. In a testament to his determination, Joe fully recovered and went on to be a demolition platoon chief at SEAL Team One.

Bilateral Tibia and Fibula Fractures, Soft Tissue Damage

The immediate after-effects of the blast left Joe's legs without function. His recovery involved harvesting his calf muscle to cover exposed bone and numerous operations where his extremities were reconstructed with a complex arrangement of hardware. Despite being told his left leg could have been simpler to amputate, Joe persevered through an intensive rehab.

Refused Amputation, Underwent Numerous Surgeries and Extensive Rehab

Joe's injuries required reconstructive efforts to save his legs. He chose to undergo the long and painful process of multiple surgeries, including a complete repair of his legs at a hospital in San ...

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- You can start a gratitude journal to foster a positive outlook similar to Elliot's, where you write down three things you're thankful for each morning, focusing on the aspects of life that remain positive despite any personal challenges you face.

  • Keeping a gratitude journal has been shown to improve mental well-being and can help you maintain a positive perspective during tough times. For example, if you're recovering from an injury, you might note the progress you've made, the support you've received, or simply the comfort of your favorite meal.
  • Create a personal recovery plan that includes specific, measurable goals to emulate Joe's determination, whether you're healing from an injury or working toward a personal objective.
  • A recovery plan could involve setting weekly physical milestones, scheduling regular check-ins with a support person, or mapping out a timeline for your recovery process. For instance, if you're rehabilitating from a surgery, your plan might include walking a certain distance each week or performing a set of prescribed exercises daily.
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