In this episode of the Jocko Podcast, Will Bardenwerper shares his experiences as an Army public affairs officer in Iraq and his subsequent journey into writing. He provides an insider's perspective on the intensity of military service and the disconnect between the military and civilian worlds.
Bardenwerper reflects on his transition from the military to a career as an author, discussing the process of honing his storytelling skills and the themes explored in his books. His works delve into the human connections and shared experiences that bridge societal divides, contrasting the mythic status of American institutions with their grounded realities. The episode also touches on the modern digital landscape and its impact on well-being and interpersonal connections.
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Will Bardenwerper grew up in a middle-class suburban area outside Washington D.C. Despite his father being a lawyer, Bardenwerper was driven academically, sacrificing socializing to gain admission to Princeton University, where he played baseball.
After college and briefly working in finance, Bardenwerper joined the Army, serving as a Public Affairs Officer in Iraq. He admired leaders like Colonel Sean McFarland, who embraced adaptability and input from junior officers like Captain Travis Martinez.
Bardenwerper saw the intensity and sacrifices soldiers faced, including the toll on families. He expresses the disconnect between military and civilian experiences, recounting a profound loss in Martinez's death. The military's operational tempo strained relationships and left public ceremonies the only acknowledgment for some fallen soldiers.
Leaving the military, Bardenwerper considered policy roles but ultimately pursued writing, influenced by journalist CJ Chivers. Publishing his first book required honing storytelling skills through incorporating sensory details and character dynamics, as seen in "The Prisoner in His Palace" about guards' relationships with Saddam Hussein.
Bardenwerper's books explore the mythic status of American institutions like sports and the military against their grounded realities. In "Homestand," he argues community baseball unites people more than major leagues prioritizing profits.
His military stories highlight the human connections built face-to-face, contrasting the digital realm. Bardenwerper values shared experiences that can bridge societal divides and advocates reducing digital indulgences for well-being.
1-Page Summary
Will Bardenwerper's journey from a suburban upbringing to Princeton University, and then to the battlefields of Iraq, highlights his ambitious nature and a strong sense of duty that eventually diverged from the traditional finance career path.
Will Bardenwerper, the oldest of five children, grew up in a middle-class, upper-middle-class suburban area outside Washington DC, in Bethesda, Maryland. His father was a lawyer, and his mother, a busy parent raising five kids. Will attended a Catholic elementary school taught by nuns, which he recalls fondly, and an all-male Catholic Jesuit high school in Washington D.C. He remembers working hard in school due to his parents' influence, with a particular fondness for history and English, fostering his love of reading.
Will did not settle for a mediocre education; instead, he was driven to succeed academically. During his high school years, he sacrificed socializing for studying, dedicating three hours a day to ensure his admission to an Ivy League university, a goal he achieved through sheer determination.
Bardenwerper was the first in his family to attend an Ivy League university. He competed for top grades and was admitted to Princeton University, where he also played baseball. He was driven by a competitive nature and the desire to excel, not just academically but also in sports, even as he recognized his limitations in some areas like basketball.
After graduating from Princeton without a clear career plan, Bardenwerper took a year off to be a "ski bum" in Vail with friends, taking a break before embarking on his career journey.
Bardenwerper eventually moved to New York City to work in equity capital markets, taking advantage of the booming economy of the late '90s—an opportunity presented to many Princeton graduates at t ...
Bardenwerper's Background and Military Service
Will Bardenwerper's time in Iraq was marked by close engagement with both military and civilian leaders, illustrating key leadership styles, the challenges soldiers face, and the importance of understanding local communities.
Bardenwerper served as a Public Affairs Officer (PAO) in Iraq, a role typically held by an army major, but he was assigned the position as he was a "Princeton guy" in the brigade. His duties encompassed showing media around the battlefield and handling civil affairs, working toward dampening the insurgency through various projects. He teamed up with Captain Travis Martinez to bridge the gap between the military and the local Iraqi communities.
Jocko Willink highlights Colonel McFarland's adaptability, applauding his approach of learning from strategies already successful in Tal Afar instead of trying to impose his own. McFarland welcomed effective tactics and was humble, not letting ego interfere with decision-making. Bardenwerper held Colonel McFarland in high esteem, particularly for seeing potential in Travis Martinez, an unconventional officer who didn’t fit the typical mold but had a significant "spark" for the mission. Building relationships with tribal leaders involved time and patience, including spending hours just sitting together, eating, and smoking.
Captain Travis Martinez was recognized for his unconventional thinking, creating a strategy that proved successful in Al Anbar. Despite his appearance and lax attitude toward certain military regulations, he had a critical on-the-ground impact in Iraq, facilitated by Colonel McFarland's support of flatter organizational structures. Efforts like getting an Iraqi police station manned by tribesmen, who contributed critical local knowledge for security, demonstrate Martinez's initiatives. He also created a widely circulated educational slideshow on overcoming insurgency. Despite his combat readiness, Martinez supported better marksmanship training, showing his multifaceted approaches to the mission.
Bardenwerper observed the challenges and sacrifices that soldiers experienced firsthand, such as intense operations that could turn even the most innocuous missions into dangerous encounters. He remembers a distinguished service cross and silver stars awarded for heroism that exemplified the constant danger soldiers faced. Nearly a third of his battalion was wounded, demonstrating the heavy toll of conflict.
Experiences in Iraq With Key Leaders
After his time in the Army, Will Bardenwerper embarked on a new path, choosing to pursue writing over a career in policy-making or journalism. His journey culminated in the publication of his first book, "The Prisoner in His Palace: Saddam Hussein, His American Guards, and What History Leaves Unsaid."
Bardenwerper contemplates the influence he could wield over policy decision-making post-military, leading him to enroll in graduate school at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies. Concurrently, he worked as a news assistant and sought advice from CJ Chivers, a New York Times correspondent with a similar background, leading him into an unofficial apprenticeship at the Times.
During his graduate studies, Bardenwerper gained a broad foundation in international relations and was exposed to government roles through professors with government experience, as well as the Presidential Management Fellowship program. He found, however, that the job involved mundane tasks and advancement required political networking, which was not in line with his goals or personality.
Transitioning to writing full-time, Bardenwerper moved to Colorado and dove into the project that would become his first book, "The Prisoner in His Palace." The story is based on interviews with soldiers who guarded Saddam Hussein, which Bardenwerper found while working as an assistant during graduate school. He was drawn to the guards' complex and peculiar relationships with Hussein, noting how they began liking him despite his notoriety.
Bardenwerper's writing process was not without hurdles. He sent his early chapters to an editor, only to receive a detailed critique that he had violated every rule of storyte ...
Transition To Writing Career and Publishing Process
In his work, Bardenwerper delves into the depth of human experience, contrasting mythic American institutions' status against their grounded realities, with a particular focus on the sports community and military life.
In the realm of sports, Bardenwerper’s "Homestand" emerges as a poignant exploration of the uniting power of community sports, juxtaposed against the business-centric management of professional leagues. The Major League Baseball decision to cut minor league teams, saving money at the expense of local connections, signifies this dissonance. This action spurred Bardenwerper to question the values of the sport, which markets itself as America’s pastime, integral in bringing people together, yet operates under a contrasting business model that can negatively impact communities.
During a visit to the Pine Ridge reservation in South Dakota, originally there to cover tribal law enforcement, Bardenwerper became intrigued by a community-involved horse riding sport. This sport, rooted in skill and strategy, proved more energizing to the community than established events like the Kentucky Derby. His experience in Batavia, New York, with the dynamic of a town that had lost its minor league team but found rebirth in a summer collegiate team, provided fertile ground for his book, solidifying the theme of sports as a cornerstone of community.
Bardenwerper reminisces about his backyard baseball games, which, in memory, become more potent over time, echoing the soul of America found in these community experiences. Jocko Willink describes "Homestand" as a love story to baseball and America, a narrative that confronts how greed can corrupt but also how the spirit of community sports triumphs.
The experiences shared in Bardenwerper’s book, "The Prisoner in His Palace," suggest a disconnect between military perceptions and the raw humanity that emerges from personal relations. These relationships, cultivated face to face, can transcend digital distractions and bureaucratic barriers. Willink himself reflects on his service in Iraq, noting the experiential disparity between soldiers and civilians, underscoring the necessity to recognize the lives of those in service.
Bardenwerper's discourse on military challenges in Iraq underlines the importance of honest rapport which could transcend the digital realm. He discusses the role of trust-building with Iraqi tribes, highlighting its importance to operational success and its indicative nature of the human connection that digital means cannot replicate.
His work exposes the tension of senior military roles entangled in politics. Bardenwerper illustrates the military-civilian disconnect and champions the significance of genuine human connection, reinforced by his observation of young soldiers' changing perceptions of Saddam Hussein through personal interaction.
Bardenwerper stresses the importance of immersive storytelling and the cultivation of trust within communities. His commitment to more than just surface-level engagement exemplifies his stance against narratives th ...
Themes in His Writing: The Importance of Community and Connection
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