Anyway, Here's Wonderwall (with Langston Kerman, Andy Richter and Vic Michaelis)
In this episode of the WikiHole with D'Arcy Carden podcast, the hosts explore the infamous feud between brothers Liam and Noel Gallagher of the band Oasis. Their sibling rivalry is contextualized within the broader concept of sibling rivalry, which has manifested in other notable feuds like those between the Dassler brothers (Adidas and Puma), the Bingham sisters (competing advice columnists), and Venus and Serena Williams.
The hosts' meandering "Wikipedia rabbit hole" journey from Oasis to other sibling rivalries showcases their competitive spirit, as they vie for trivia points while navigating the interconnectedness of Wikipedia's maze of information. Throughout, the podcast captures the hosts' exploration of this intriguing family dynamic and its role in shaping pop culture and history.
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Oasis and the Gallagher brothers' feud
The podcast hosts dive into the infamous feud between Liam and Noel Gallagher, the brothers at the heart of the iconic band Oasis. They recount tales of the brothers' volatility, such as Liam throwing a tambourine at Noel's head during a show and Liam suing Noel over an accusation about missing a gig due to a hangover.
Despite their infighting, Oasis remains beloved, with their song "Wonderwall" played after every Manchester City FC home game—a nod to the band's Manchester roots.
The concept of sibling rivalry
The hosts explore the concept of sibling rivalry, a term coined by psychiatrist David Levy in 1941 to describe an older sibling's aggressive response to a new baby in the family. Sibling rivalry is an enduring family dynamic that has manifested in many famous feuds:
- The Gallagher brothers of Oasis
- The Dassler brothers, whose rivalry split their shoe company into Adidas and Puma
- The Bingham sisters, twin advice columnists who started competing advice columns
- Venus and Serena Williams, whose sisterly bonds balanced with on-court competitiveness
The Wikipedia "rabbit hole"
The podcast chronicles the hosts' "Wikipedia rabbit hole" journey, starting with research on Oasis. They tested each other's knowledge with trivia on the band's origins and song titles, sparking competitive discussions.
The Oasis topic led to exploring the Dassler brothers' bitter feud that birthed Adidas and Puma. D'Arcy notes how one topic spiraled into examining historical business rivalries and football culture.
Throughout, the hosts displayed a competitive spirit, vying for points and bragging rights while navigating the unpredictable interconnectedness of Wikipedia's informational maze.
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- The portrayal of the Gallagher brothers' relationship as purely volatile may overlook periods of cooperation and mutual respect that contributed to Oasis's success.
- The continuous playing of "Wonderwall" at Manchester City FC games could be seen as catering to nostalgia rather than promoting a diverse range of music or new artists.
- The concept of sibling rivalry might be oversimplified when applied to adult professional relationships, which can be influenced by a complex array of personal and business factors beyond family dynamics.
- The term "sibling rivalry" might not fully capture the nuances of the relationships between Venus and Serena Williams, who have often publicly displayed a strong personal bond and mutual support despite their professional rivalry.
- The podcast's focus on competitive trivia about Oasis could be criticized for encouraging a superficial engagement with the band's history and music, rather than a deeper cultural or artistic analysis.
- The "Wikipedia rabbit hole" approach, while entertaining, might lead to a fragmented understanding of subjects due to the non-linear and sometimes inconsistent nature of crowd-sourced information.
- The competitive aspect of the podcast hosts' discussions could be seen as detracting from the educational value of the podcast, prioritizing entertainment over substance.
Actionables
- Explore your family history to understand sibling dynamics by creating a family tree that includes notes on relationships and any known conflicts or collaborations, which can provide insight into how rivalry has shaped your family's story.
- By researching your ancestry and talking to relatives, you can gather stories and patterns that may explain current family dynamics. For example, you might find that competition between siblings was common in past generations, which could shed light on how you and your siblings interact today.
- Start a friendly competition with friends or family members by setting up a trivia night focused on a shared interest, which can foster camaraderie and a healthy sense of rivalry.
- Choose a topic everyone is passionate about, such as a favorite sports team, music band, or historical event. Keep score and offer a small prize for the winner to create a fun, competitive atmosphere. This can help you experience the positive aspects of rivalry without the negative consequences.
- Use the concept of interconnectedness to broaden your knowledge by picking a random article on an online encyclopedia and seeing how many different topics you can connect to it within an hour.
- For instance, if you start with an article about a famous artist, you might link it to the art movements they were part of, the historical events that influenced their work, and even the science behind the materials they used. This exercise can enhance your research skills and show you the interrelatedness of knowledge across various fields.
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Oasis and the Gallagher brothers' feud
At the heart of Oasis, one of the most iconic bands in the music industry, are the Gallagher brothers, Liam and Noel, known for their stormy dynamics.
The Gallagher brothers, Liam and Noel, are at the center of the Oasis band and known for their tumultuous relationship.
The hosts find themselves delving into the infamous relationship between the Gallagher brothers, central to the Oasis story, during a wiki-hole exploration. They acknowledge that the band members are notorious for their brawls and have been branded as "problematic as hell" by D'Arcy.
The brothers have a long history of feuding, including incidents like Liam throwing a tambourine at Noel's head during a live show and Liam suing Noel for saying he missed a show because he was hungover.
The extent of their disputes is brought to light with anecdotes such as Liam throwing a tambourine at Noel's head during a live show and Liam taking legal action against Noel for alleging he missed a show because he was hungover, leaving listeners to wonder which incident might b ...
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- The tumultuous relationship between the Gallagher brothers, while central to the public image of Oasis, may overshadow the contributions of other band members and the collective effort that went into their music.
- Highlighting incidents like the tambourine throwing may perpetuate a sensationalized view of the band's history, rather than focusing on their musical achievements.
- Legal disputes between family members in a band could reflect deeper personal issues that may not be appropriate for public entertainment.
- The chaotic history of Oasis is often highlighted, but it's also possible to argue that the media and public may have amplified these aspects, potentially ignoring periods of harmony and productive collaboration.
- While "Wonderwall" is a popular song, using it as a measure of the band's lasting popularity could be seen as reductive, as Oasis has a broad catalog of work that has contributed to their status in popular culture.
- The feuds between the ...
Actionables
- Explore the dynamics of creative partnerships by journaling about your own experiences working with others on projects, noting any conflicts and how they were resolved or exacerbated.
- Keeping a journal allows you to reflect on past collaborations and understand the role that tension can play in creative success or failure. For example, if you had a group project in school or at work, write down the key moments of disagreement and consider how they affected the project's outcome.
- Create a playlist of songs from bands with known internal conflicts to see if you can identify an 'edge' in their music that may come from those tensions.
- By curating this playlist, you can develop a deeper appreciation for how personal dynamics within a band can influence their sound. As you listen, think about whether the intensity of the relationships comes through in the music and how it compares to bands without such publicized conflicts.
- Use the story of the Gallagher brothers a ...
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The concept of sibling rivalry and famous sibling rivalries
The concept of sibling rivalry, often a tumultuous dynamic within families, has been prevalent throughout history, with the term officially introduced by psychiatrist David Levy in 1941. This phenomenon is not only a staple in family life but also a recurring theme in the public eye, particularly among famous siblings.
Sibling rivalry, the aggressive response of an older sibling to a new baby, was coined as a term by psychiatrist David Levy in 1941.
Sibling rivalry is a term coined by psychiatrist David Levy in 1941, describing a typical aggressive response of an older sibling to the introduction of a new baby into the family. As hosts discuss this topic, it becomes clear that sibling rivalry is an enduring aspect of family dynamics.
Examples of famous sibling rivalries include:
The Gallagher brothers of Oasis, known for their volatile relationship and public disputes.
The Gallagher brothers, Liam and Noel from the band Oasis, are notorious for their contentious relationship, often culminating in public fights and disputes. They are so emblematic of sibling rivalry that their feud is even cited on the sibling rivalry Wikipedia page.
The Dassler brothers, who co-owned a shoe company before splitting to create the rival brands Adidas and Puma.
The Dassler feud, between Adolf "Adi" and Rudolf Dassler, is another classic tale of sibling rivalry. Initially co-owners of a successful shoe company, their conflict led to a split and the eventual creation of now world-renowned sportswear companies – Adidas by Adi Dassler and Puma by Rudolf Dassler. Their rivalry was so intense that their hometown was nicknamed "the town of bent necks" because residents would look to see which brand of shoe one another wore. A notable event in their rivalry was the breaking of "The Pele Pact" when Rudolf secretly signed the legendary soccer player Pele, who then wore Puma's boots as Brazil clinched the ...
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- Sibling rivalry extends beyond the initial aggressive response to a new baby and can encompass a wide range of emotions and behaviors throughout childhood and adulthood.
- While sibling rivalry is common, it is not a universal aspect of family dynamics; many siblings have supportive and cooperative relationships.
- The public disputes of the Gallagher brothers may overshadow their collaborative success and the music they created together, which has had a lasting impact on their fans.
- The narrative of the Dassler brothers' rivalry might simplify a more complex history of personal and professional disagreements, and it's important to recognize their individual contributions to the sports industry.
- The signing of Pele by Puma is a significant historical event, but it should not be viewed as the sole defining moment of the Dassler brothers' rivalry or their respective brand ...
Actionables
- Reflect on your family dynamics by journaling to identify patterns that may stem from sibling rivalry. Write down memories of interactions with your siblings that felt competitive or contentious. Look for triggers and outcomes, and consider how these patterns may influence your current relationships and behaviors. This self-awareness can help you understand personal motivations and improve your interactions with family members.
- Create a "Sibling Success Scrapbook" with your brothers or sisters to celebrate each other's achievements. Gather photos, mementos, and stories that highlight each sibling's successes and milestones. This collaborative project can foster a sense of unity and appreciation, countering feelings of rivalry by focusing on mutual support and pride in each other's accomplishments.
- Initiate a monthly "S ...
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The Wikipedia "rabbit hole" of information discovered about these topics
The podcast hosts embarked on a Wikipedia deep dive, chronicling their journey through a maze of information. Starting with the band Oasis, their exploration expanded into areas like sibling rivalry and famous feuding siblings, sparking competitive games and discussions along the way.
The podcast hosts embarked on a Wikipedia deep dive, starting with the band Oasis and following a trail of related information that led them to explore topics like sibling rivalry and famous feuding siblings.
D'Arcy initiated a session to dive deep into the band Oasis through Wikipedia. Along with that, the hosts engaged in multiple-choice trivia about the band's city of origin. They also played "OASIS or OASNO," a trivia game to determine whether certain songs were by Oasis. This segued into a discussion on sibling rivalry, bringing up the famous feud between the Dassler brothers, which led to the creation of Adidas and Puma. Relating to Oasis, they also touched upon the band's connection to Manchester City FC, showcasing the serendipitous way one topic can lead to another in a Wikipedia deep dive.
The hosts tested their knowledge of Oasis trivia, playing a game to determine whether certain songs were by the band or not.
As the hosts delved deeper, they affirmed or debunked Oasis tracks with lively banter and assertions like "Super Sonic, Oasis yes or Oasis no?" and corrections such as "that's an always no, I think, because that's actually a Blur song, I'm pretty sure." The competitive spirit was further fueled when affirmations like "You guys all got it right with a noise. No, and Andy is also right that it's a Blur song," validated the hosts' trivia prowess.
They also delved into the history of the Dassler brothers' feud, which led to the creation of the rival shoe companies Adidas and Puma.
The exploration further led to intricate details about the Dassler brothers. The hosts stripped down the layers of their agreeme ...
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- The Dassler brothers, Adolf and Rudolf, founded a shoe company together in the 1920s. Their relationship soured over time, leading to a bitter feud that eventually split the company into two rival entities: Adidas, formed by Adolf "Adi" Dassler, and Puma, founded by Rudolf Dassler. This rivalry between the brothers resulted in the creation of two of the most iconic sports brands in the world.
- The competitive games and discussions related to Oasis trivia involved the hosts testing their knowledge of Oasis songs through games like "OASIS or OASNO," where they determined if certain songs were by Oasis. They engaged in lively banter and corrections while affirming or debunking Oasis tracks, showcasing their competitive spirit. The hosts vied for points by answering questions correctly and took pride in outsmarting each other during the trivia games. The discussions highlighted the hosts' enthusiasm for Oasis trivia and their competitive nature throughout the podcast episode.
- The interconnectedness of knowled ...
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