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Gossip (with Joel Kim Booster, Beth Stelling and Jake Cornell)

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In this episode of the WikiHole podcast with D'Arcy Carden, a wide range of topics are explored through a comedic lens. The group delves into the modern culture of celebrity gossip and Instagram accounts like "Deux Moi" that gained popularity during the COVID-19 pandemic. They also discuss intriguing trivia related to music, including details about George Harrison's unconventional entry into The Beatles, as well as his later involvement in the film "Monty Python's Life of Brian."

The conversation spans from little-known facts about the White House and fictional characters like Violet Beauregarde from "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory," to education and admission standards at prestigious institutions like NYU. With a blend of humor and insight, the podcast navigates these diverse subjects, offering entertaining anecdotes and trivia along the way.

Gossip (with Joel Kim Booster, Beth Stelling and Jake Cornell)

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Gossip (with Joel Kim Booster, Beth Stelling and Jake Cornell)

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Pop culture and celebrity trivia

A University of California Riverside study finds that people spend on average 52 minutes per day gossiping, with only 15% being "evaluative talk" or negative gossip.

The COVID-19 pandemic led to a rise in popularity of Instagram gossip accounts like "Deux Moi," where user-submitted celebrity sightings and rumors were shared, according to D'Arcy Carden. Joel Kim Booster notes he was featured on the account for walking down Franklin Street with a coffee.

Music and musicians

At age 14, George Harrison unexpectedly joined the Beatles after Paul McCartney insisted he audition, which famously took place on a Liverpool bus.

After the Beatles, Harrison had a successful solo career, and even mortgaged his home to help finance the film "Monty Python's Life of Brian," showcasing his passion for the project.

Harrison authored the anti-gossip song "Devil's Radio," with lyrics condemning the spread of rumor and hearsay, as noted by Joel Kim Booster.

Historical and architectural trivia

The White House contains 35 bathrooms, which is a surprisingly high number. Notably, violets are deemed unsuitable for the White House Rose Garden, although the reason is unspecified.

In 1974, George Harrison became the first Beatle invited to the White House by President Ford's son Jack, despite Ford being unfamiliar with Harrison's music.

Literature and fictional characters

In "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory," Violet Beauregard's obsession with chewing gum leads to her infamously transforming into a giant blueberry.

Courtney Love's song "Violet" was inspired by her relationship with Billy Corgan, channeling her real-life encounters into the music, as artists often do.

Education and higher learning

NYU has a highly selective admissions process, with an average SAT score of 1455 for accepted students out of a perfect 1600.

The podcast debates whether figures like John Stewart and John Early attended NYU, while clarifying that others like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez did not attend the university.

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Counterarguments

  • While the study suggests people spend 52 minutes per day gossiping, this may not account for variations in individual behavior or cultural differences in communication.
  • The rise in popularity of Instagram gossip accounts could be attributed to multiple factors, not solely the COVID-19 pandemic.
  • George Harrison's audition and joining of the Beatles at age 14 might be an oversimplification of his integration into the band, which was likely more complex.
  • Financing "Monty Python's Life of Brian" showcases Harrison's passion, but it could also be seen as a risky financial decision rather than a purely artistic one.
  • "Devil's Radio" may condemn gossip, but the song itself could be interpreted as a form of evaluative talk, depending on perspective.
  • The White House having 35 bathrooms might be surprising, but without context, such as the number of staff and visitors it accommodates, the number may be reasonable.
  • George Harrison being the first Beatle invited to the White House is a historical note, but it doesn't necessarily reflect the cultural or political significance of such an event.
  • Violet Beauregard's transformation in "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" serves as a moral lesson, but it could also be criticized for promoting a simplistic view of consequences for certain behaviors.
  • Courtney Love's inspiration for "Violet" being her relationship with Billy Corgan is an interpretation of art, which is subjective and could have multiple influences.
  • NYU's selective admissions process and average SAT score might not fully capture the diversity and potential of the student body, as standardized tests have been criticized for not being the sole indicator of a student's capabilities.
  • The podcast's debate over the attendance of figures like John Stewart and John Early at NYU may not accurately reflect the impact of their educational background on their careers.

Actionables

  • You can track your daily conversations to identify how much time you spend gossiping and the nature of it, aiming to increase positive or neutral gossip. Start by jotting down notes after each significant conversation you have throughout the day, noting the topic and whether it was positive, negative, or neutral. This self-awareness can help you understand your communication patterns and encourage more constructive discussions.
  • Create a personal challenge to learn something new about a public figure or historical event each day, focusing on positive or inspiring aspects. For example, after learning about George Harrison's contribution to "Monty Python's Life of Brian," you might research other instances where musicians have supported the arts in unconventional ways. This can broaden your perspective on the influence of public figures beyond their primary field.
  • Engage in creative writing exercises where you reimagine a scene from a favorite book or movie, like "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory," from a different character's perspective. This can enhance your empathy and understanding of different viewpoints, as well as spark your imagination. For instance, write a short story from the perspective of another character witnessing Violet's transformation, exploring their thoughts and reactions to the event.

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Pop culture and celebrity trivia

Pop culture has always had its own lore and intrigue, with celebrity trivia and gossip forming a prevalent part of modern culture. Gossip especially seems to be an inescapable facet of everyday life, and even more so with the advent of social media platforms. This interest has been significantly reflected on Instagram, where gossip accounts have gained momentum, particularly during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Gossip is a prevalent part of modern culture

A University of California Riverside study finds that the average person spends 52 minutes per day gossiping. Interestingly, only 15% of this daily gossip is "evaluative talk," which is a more academic term for negative gossip or "shit talk," as it is colloquially known.

During the podcast, Beth Stelling shares that she has engaged in a fair amount of "evaluative talk" regarding her sister. Joel Kim Booster, when discussing the intricacies of communication within relationships, humorously remarks that "shit talking other people" is the cornerstone of a successful romantic relationship.

The rise of Instagram gossip accounts during the COVID-19 pandemic

The COVID-19 pandemic saw a change in how people consumed celebrity news, with a rise in popularity of Instagram gossip accounts like "Deux Moi." This account began posting user-submitted celebrity sightings and rumors and swiftly became a go-to source for celebrity news and speculation for many.

D'Arcy Carden brings up the name of this mega popular Instagram gossip account as a quiz question during the podcast. Initially, Joel Kim Booster answers with "Doombah," but Carden corrects him, implying the correct answer was "Deux Moi," suggesting "Doombah" was a misheard response. Carden adds that "Deux Moi" was her most searched site during deep COVID, an ...

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  • "Deux Moi" is a popular Instagram gossip account known for posting user-submitted celebrity sightings and rumors. It gained significant traction during the COVID-19 pandemic as a go-to source for celebrity news and speculation. The account covers a wide range of gossip, from serious scandals to mundane celebrity tidbits, attracting a diverse audience interested in celebrity culture. The platform's appeal lies in its mix of trivial and harmless posts, making it a compelling destination for those intrigued by celebrity lifestyles and rumors.
  • "Gossip Girl" was a popular teen drama TV series that aired in the 2000s. It revolved around the lives of privileged young adults living in New York City and the anonymous blogger who exposed their secrets. The show's portrayal of wealth, drama, and scandal ...

Counterarguments

  • While gossip may be prevalent, it's not universally valued or appreciated, and many cultures and subcultures prioritize privacy and discretion.
  • The assertion that gossip is inescapable could be challenged by pointing out that individuals can choose to engage with different types of media and conversations that do not involve gossip.
  • The role of social media in reflecting interest in celebrity gossip could be critiqued by suggesting that these platforms also offer substantial content unrelated to gossip, such as educational material, professional networking, and hobby-related communities.
  • The study's finding that the average person spends 52 minutes per day gossiping might not accurately reflect all demographics or cultures, and some individuals may not engage in gossip at all.
  • The idea that "evaluative talk" comprises only 15% of gossip could be misleading, as the perception of what constitutes negative gossip can be subjective and context-dependent.
  • The popularity of Instagram gossip accounts like "Deux Moi" during the COVID-19 pandemic could be seen as a temporary spike in interest ...

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Music and musicians

The life and legacy of George Harrison are noted for his early start with the Beatles and his subsequent solo success, including his contributions to the music world and beyond.

George Harrison's early life and involvement with the Beatles

George Harrison joined the Beatles at the tender age of 14, which came as a surprise to the other members, particularly John Lennon who initially thought Harrison was too young for the band. However, it was Paul McCartney who insisted on Harrison's audition, ultimately leading to his joining the band. This audition famously took place on the upper deck of a Liverpool bus.

Following his remarkable stint with the Beatles, Harrison not only went on to have a successful solo career but he also entered the film production business, demonstrated by his significant role in financing the feature film "Monty Python's Life of Brian." Notably, this was a decision that saw him mortgaging his home just a week before they started filming, showcasing his commitment and passion for the project.

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  • George Harrison actually joined the Beatles at the age of 15, not 14.
  • While George Harrison did have a successful solo career, it is often argued that it was overshadowed by the success of his former bandmates, particularly John Lennon and Paul McCartney.
  • Financing "Monty Python's Life of Brian" was a significant risk for Harrison, and while it showcases his commitment, it could also be seen as an impu ...

Actionables

  • You can explore your passion projects by setting aside a "creative investment fund" similar to how George Harrison financed a film he believed in. Start by allocating a small percentage of your savings specifically for investing in projects that align with your interests or values, whether it's supporting an independent artist, backing a Kickstarter campaign, or helping fund a community project.
  • Encourage a young talent by offering mentorship or support in your field of expertise, taking inspiration from Paul McCartney's role in George Harrison's early career. Identify someone in your community or network who shows potential and offer to review their work, provide feedback, or share resources that could help them develop their skills.
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Historical and architectural trivia

The White House has a rich history and unique features

The White House, the official residence and workplace of the President of the United States, is not only steeped in history but also contains some unexpected features.

There are 35 bathrooms in the White House, a surprisingly high number

One surprising detail about the White House is the number of bathrooms it contains. It has been confirmed that there are 35 bathrooms within its walls, which is a considerable number for any building, serving the many guests and residents it accommodates.

The White House Rose Garden does not contain the flower violets, as they are deemed unsuitable

Although the White House Rose Garden is famous, one particular detail that might intrigue trivia enthusiasts is the absence of the flower violet. Violets are deemed unsuitable for the garden, although the reason why is not specified in this article.

The White House has hosted various presidents and notable figures over the years

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  • The number of bathrooms in the White House, while high, reflects the building's multifunctional role as a residence, office, and venue for large events, which necessitates ample facilities.
  • The absence of violets in the White House Rose Garden could be reconsidered, as horticultural practices and design preferences evolve over time, and what is deemed unsuitable could change.
  • While George Harrison's invitation to the Whi ...

Actionables

  • You can explore presidential history by creating a themed trivia game with facts about the White House and its guests. Gather interesting tidbits about past presidents, events, and historical moments related to the White House, then invite friends over for a game night where you challenge each other's knowledge.
  • Enhance your gardening skills by researching and planting a flower bed inspired by the White House Rose Garden. Choose flowers that are known to thrive in your local climate and arrange them in a way that reflects the structured beauty of the Rose Garden, minus the violets if you want to stay true to its current design.
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Literature and fictional characters

Two examples that highlight how fictional and real-life characters can seep into popular culture are Violet Beauregard's gum obsession in "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" and the song "Violet" by Hole.

Violet Beauregard's obsession with chewing gum in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory

In Roald Dahl’s beloved novel "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory," the character Violet Beauregard possesses a deep obsession with chewing gum. Her fixation is so intense that she constantly chews gum and even disregards Mr. Wonka’s warnings about a new experimental gum. As a result, Violet's love for gum directly leads to her infamous transformation into a giant blueberry; she turns violet in color and swells into a round shape after trying Mr. Wonka's gum.

The song "Violet" by Hole was inspired by Courtney Love's relationship with Billy Corgan

Courtney Love, the lead singer of Hole, once introduced the band’s song "Violet" by describing it as stemming ...

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  • While Violet Beauregard's gum obsession is a notable aspect of her character, it could be argued that her role in "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" is not a primary driver of gum's cultural significance, as gum was already a popular confection before the novel's publication.
  • The transformation of Violet Beauregard into a blueberry is a fantastical element that may not resonate with all readers or viewers as a serious cautionary tale, given its highly improbable nature.
  • The inspiration behind the song "Violet" by Hole may be multifaceted, and while Courtney Love has attributed it to her experiences with Billy Corgan, other influences could also have shaped the song's lyrics and tone.
  • Describing personal experiences in songwriting is a common practice, but not all artists use direct autobiographical events in their work; some may prefer to create ent ...

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Education and higher learning

The podcast touches on New York University (NYU) as part of a trivia game where a character from the show "Gossip Girl" enrolls in the university.

NYU has a highly selective admissions process

NYU is recognized for its highly selective admissions process.

The average SAT score for accepted students is 1455 out of a perfect 1600

The podcast notes that the average SAT score for students accepted to NYU is 1455, showcasing the university's competitive admissions. Contrastingly, the perfect SAT score is 1600.

Several notable figures have attended NYU, including comedians and politicians

John Stewart and John Early were mentioned as figures associated with NYYU, sparking a debate among players about whether they indeed attend ...

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  • While NYU's average SAT score is high, it's important to consider the full context of admissions, including the role of essays, recommendations, and extracurricular activities, which can be equally important.
  • The emphasis on SAT scores may perpetuate a narrow view of student potential and overlook the value of diverse talents and backgrounds that standardized tests may not capture.
  • Highlighting the attendance of notable figures can overshadow the achievements of less famous but equally impactful alumni who contribute to variou ...

Actionables

  • You can research the educational backgrounds of professionals in your field of interest to set realistic academic goals. Look up the alma maters of people whose careers you admire, and see if there's a common educational path or if their successes come from a variety of different schools. This can help you decide if aiming for a school like NYU is necessary for your career or if there are other universities that have also paved the way to success.
  • Enhance your test-taking skills by setting a target SAT score based on the averages of top universities. Even if you're not planning to apply to NYU, knowing competitive score ranges can serve as a benchmark for your own preparation. Use free online resources or community workshops to practice and improve your scores.
  • Create a personal development plan that focuses on broadening your skills ...

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