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E534 Brooks & Dunn

By Theo Von

In this episode of This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von, country music legends Kix Brooks and Ronnie Dunn of Brooks & Dunn discuss the formation and longevity of their successful duo. They share stories of their early songwriting days, penning hits that launched their careers, and reflect on their close working relationship marked by mutual respect and conflict resolution strategies.

The pair also touch on meaningful interactions with industry icons like Johnny Cash, Merle Haggard, and June Carter Cash, who mentored them through the harsh realities of the music business. Brooks and Dunn recount memorable moments from their extensive touring, from navigating eccentric crew escapades to developing resilience in unpredictable situations. Beyond music, they discuss their outside interests like Kix's acting pursuits and Ronnie's photography passion, which provided creative outlets during their duo's years in the spotlight.

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The formation and longevity of the Brooks & Dunn duo

A mutual friend, Tim DuBois, saw potential in pairing Kix Brooks and Ronnie Dunn, leading to their successful songwriting partnership despite initial doubts. Brooks and Dunn quickly penned hits like "Brand New Man", "Neon Moon", and "Boot Scootin' Boogie", laying the foundation for their decades-long collaboration.

Despite their lack of prior familiarity, Brooks and Dunn developed a close working relationship marked by mutual respect. They avoided major conflicts by handling frustrations calmly, and took breaks when needed to prevent tensions from escalating, contributing to their longevity as a duo.

Interactions with other legendary country music artists

Brooks and Dunn had meaningful encounters with Johnny Cash and June Carter Cash, who mentored them and provided a candid view into the harsh realities of the music industry. Ronnie Dunn recounts witnessing June's tough love approach in managing Johnny's addiction struggles.

Merle Haggard challenged Brooks and Dunn with obscure songs during tours, pushing their musical boundaries. His unfiltered personality and eccentricities made for memorable, cherished interactions.

Experiences and stories from their extensive touring and music career

Brooks and Dunn's roots in playing small clubs allowed them to build camaraderie and appreciation for their eventual success. They reveled in the improvisational, energetic nature of early intimate shows.

On tour buses over the years, Brooks and Dunn encountered eccentric crew antics and memorable escapades. Navigating unpredictable situations like blizzards and unruly opening acts forced them to develop resilience on the road.

Diversification of interests and careers beyond just music

Kix Brooks pursued acting, even co-starring in a Western film. His son became a screenwriter in Hollywood. Ronnie Dunn discovered photography, traveling with a professional photographer to capture his ranch life.

These outside interests provided outlets for stress relief during their music careers. Their diverse capabilities eased their transition into new pursuits after stepping back from their duo.

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  • Explore creative partnerships by reaching out to colleagues or friends with complementary skills and propose a small project to work on together. This could be as simple as starting a blog, creating a DIY craft, or organizing a community clean-up. The key is to find someone whose strengths balance your weaknesses and vice versa, fostering a partnership that could lead to unexpected success.
  • Practice conflict resolution by role-playing with a friend or family member. Take turns presenting a frustrating scenario and then discuss calm ways to handle the situation. This exercise can help you develop the patience and communication skills needed to manage tensions in real-life collaborations or relationships.
  • Cultivate a hobby outside of your primary work or interest to maintain balance and reduce stress. Whether it's learning to play a musical instrument, starting a garden, or experimenting with amateur astronomy, engaging in an unrelated activity can provide a refreshing mental break and potentially spark creativity in your main field of interest.

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The formation and longevity of the Brooks & Dunn duo

Brooks & Dunn, the iconic country music duo, owe their partnership to a setup by a mutual friend who foresaw the magic of their collaboration, despite their initial reluctance. Over time, they forged a dynamic, low-conflict working relationship that allowed them to become one of the most enduring acts in country music history.

Brooks and Dunn were paired together by a mutual friend, Tim DuBois, who saw potential in their songwriting collaboration

The story of how Ronnie Dunn and Kix Brooks joined forces begins with a meal initiated by Tim DuBois. DuBois invited both musicians to lunch, convinced they could form a successful pairing. During this initial meeting, Brooks and Dunn were uncertain about teaming up, as they did not see the logic in working together and were metaphorically "growling across the table at each other."

However, they quickly composed several hit songs together, including "Brand New Man" and "Neon Moon", kickstarting their long-lasting partnership

Despite their initial doubts, Brooks and Dunn's songwriting chemistry became evident when they rapidly penned a series of tracks that would catapult them to fame. Writing "Brand New Man" on a Thursday and "Next Broken Heart" on the following Friday, Dunn also brought his solo works "Neon Moon" and "Boot Scootin' Boogie" into the partnership.

Ronnie Dunn's prior experience, writing hits on his own back in Oklahoma, brought a unique essence to the duo. It was a testament to his songwriting prowess in an era when co-writing in Nashville was the norm. These early successful collaborations laid the foundation for a partnership that would resonate with fans for decades to come.

Despite their lack of prior familiarity, Brooks and Dunn developed a close yet functional working relationship over their decades-long career

The collaboration between Brooks and Dunn might not have been expected, but their ability to meld their talents without major conflicts was key to their longevity.

They were able to maintain a productive dynamic without raising their voices or having major conflicts, eve ...

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  • While Tim DuBois had the foresight to pair them together, it could be argued that the true test and confirmation of their partnership's success came from the audience and market response, not just from his initial setup.
  • The quick composition of hit songs like "Brand New Man" and "Neon Moon" is impressive, but it's not uncommon for artists to have a burst of initial success followed by a challenging period of maintaining that success.
  • Ronnie Dunn's prior solo songwriting might have brought a unique element to the duo, but it's also possible that the collaboration with Kix Brooks was what truly allowed both artists to refine and elevate their music to hit status.
  • The claim that Brooks and Dunn developed a close and functional working relationship could be nuanced by acknowledging that even successful partnerships have under-the-surface tensions and that the public persona may not fully reflect the private dynamics.
  • Maintainin ...

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  • You can partner with someone who has complementary skills to tackle a project you're passionate about. For instance, if you're good at idea generation but struggle with execution, find a partner who excels in organizing and carrying out tasks. Together, you could start a small online business or collaborate on a community project, each playing to your strengths.
  • Develop a "no shouting" rule in your collaborations to maintain a respectful and productive working environment. This could be as simple as agreeing with your project partner or team that any time tensions rise, you'll take a short break, go for a walk, or switch to writing down thoughts instead of speaking them out loud, to prevent heated arguments.
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Interactions with other legendary country music artists

Kix Brooks and Ronnie Dunn of Brooks and Dunn share intimate stories about their interactions and friendships with country music icons such as Johnny Cash and June Carter Cash, as well as Merle Haggard.

Brooks and Dunn had meaningful encounters and friendships with icons like Johnny Cash and June Carter Cash

Ronnie Dunn speaks of Johnny Cash as initially intimidating but reveals himself to be funny and youthful when one gets to know him. Dunn's connection to Cash was personal, involving his wife, Janine, who had previously been connected to Cash through her first husband who had built the car from Cash's song "One Piece at a Time."

The Cashes took Brooks and Dunn under their wing early on, providing encouragement and advice about the unpredictable nature of the music industry

Meeting the Cashes had a profound impact on both Brooks and Dunn. June Carter Cash offered a place to live for Dunn's wife when Dunn was just starting in the music business, reflecting her supportive nature. However, June also warned Janine about the fleeting success in the music industry and the often tumultuous lives of country artists she referred to as "the wild boys."

Dunn recalls how June drove Janine in her new blue Rolls Royce to give her a tough talk — the "riot act" about the harsh realities of the music business and warned that success might strain their relationship. Still, despite the stark warnings, Dunn notes that Johnny and June were tremendously supportive of them.

Brooks and Dunn were granted rare access to the Cash family's personal life, including witnessing June's tough love approach with Johnny during his struggles with addiction

On a more personal note, Dunn recounts an incident where Johnny Cash was on furlough from rehab, and how June was steadfast in ensuring that Cash did not manipulate the situation to avoid going back. The no-nonsense attitude of June was visible when she directed Dunn and Janine to escort Johnny to the hospital to verify his ailment. When Johnny's doctor turned out to be in rehab too, it exemplified the complexity of his addiction struggles.

June's assertiveness and tough love were further underscored when Dunn mentions being present during June Carter Cash's heart attack, indicating that their relationship with the Cashes extended to the most intense and personal of moments.

Other music legends like Merle Haggard left lasting impressions on Brooks and Dunn through their unconventional collaborations and interactions

Haggard's unique personality left an indelible mark on Brooks and Dunn.

Haggard challenged Brooks a ...

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  • Brooks and Dunn had close relationships with Johnny Cash and June Carter Cash, who provided support and advice, including insights into the challenges of the music industry. June Carter Cash's tough love approach with Johnny during his struggles with addiction showcased the personal dynamics within their friendships. Merle Haggard's collaborations with Brooks and Dunn involved performing unconventional songs during joint tours, highlighting his unique personality and creative influence. These interactions with country music legends offered Brooks and Dunn valuable insights into the lives and personalities of these iconic artists.
  • Janine's connection to Johnny Cash through her first husband is significant because her ex-husband was involved in building the car featured in Cash's song "One Piece at a Time," creating a direct link between Janine's past and Cash's iconic music. This connection adds a personal touch to Ronnie Dunn's relationship with Johnny Cash, as it intertwines their lives through a shared history related to Cash's music and legacy. It showcases a unique and unexpected bond between Janine and Cash, bridging their worlds through a tangible connection to one of Cash's well-known songs.
  • June Carter Cash's warnings about the music industry to Brooks and Dunn highlighted the challenges and uncertainties artists face. She cautioned them about the transient nature of success and the demanding lifestyle of country musicians. Her advice aimed to prepare them for the unpredictable and sometimes tumultuous aspects of the music business. Despite the stark realities she presented, June and Johnny Cash remained supportive mentors to Brooks and Dunn, offering guidance and encouragement along their journey.
  • June Carter Cash's tough love approach towards Johnny Cash during his struggles with addiction involved setting firm boundaries and ensuring he faced the consequences of his actions. She was known for her no-nonsense attitude and willingness to take decisive action to support Johnny's recovery. June's assertiveness was evident in situations whe ...

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Experiences and stories from their extensive touring and music career

Brooks and Dunn share their tales and insights accrued from years on the road, painting a picture of the evolution of their legendary partnership from humble beginnings to taking the country music scene by storm.

Brooks and Dunn's early days of playing small clubs and bars built camaraderie and a deep appreciation for their eventual success

The duo's roots in honky-tonks and bars shaped their approach to performance and set the foundation for their success. Despite their manager's initial advice, Ronnie Dunn emphasized the necessity of performing in small venues to tighten their band's performances for larger crowds. Kix Brooks reflected on playing in clubs where a sparse parking lot signified their early days, contrasting sharply with packed venues in the years to follow. These small venues, described as having an "Animal House" atmosphere, allowed them to experiment without the pressure of a large audience. Their humble beginnings and gradual rise to success contributed to their strong camaraderie and their deep appreciation for their success.

The duo relished the raucous, improvisational nature of performing in intimate venues before hitting it big

Brooks and Dunn recall the wild and energetic atmosphere of their early shows, where Kix Brooks says they couldn't "screw up too bad" because the environment was so fired up. The unpredictable and spontaneous nature of these early performances helped the duo build a resilience and adaptability that would serve them well in their future careers.

The duo encountered a range of memorable characters and incidents while traversing the country on tour buses over the years

Tour buses were not only a mode of transportation for Brooks and Dunn but also a setting for chaos, camaraderie, and humorous anecdotes. The often "Animal House" conditions on the bus, shared with crew and even merchandise, are fondly remembered for their humorous and disorderly nature. They recall a crew member nicknamed "Fred Sanford" for his habit of collecting items from truck stops that led to noisy clutter. Additionally, they share a particularly memorable tale of being stranded during a snowstorm in Canada.

From dealing with eccentric opening acts to managing the antics of their own touring crew, Brooks and Dunn accumulated a trove of humorous and surprising stories

Beyond the wild times on tour, Brooks and Dunn also shared moments from special experiences, such as Kix Brooks' foreign escapade rescuing a distressed French au pair from a Greyhound bus station. They remembered jokes about the rough environment there, complete with people "testing pills on each other" and someone ...

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  • You can foster resilience by intentionally placing yourself in new, low-stakes environments. Start by visiting a new social setting, like a local meetup or club, where you're unfamiliar with the norms and must adapt on the fly. This could be as simple as attending a different genre's music night at a local bar or joining a hobby group outside your comfort zone. The key is to navigate the unpredictability of these settings, which will help you develop a flexible mindset similar to what touring artists experience.
  • Create a memory bank of your own "tour bus" anecdotes by documenting everyday adventures. Keep a journal or use a voice memo app on your phone to record funny, bizarre, or memorable moments from your daily life. Whether it's a strange encounter on public transport or a laugh-out-loud mishap at work, capturing these stories will help you appreciate the humor in life's chaos, much like the camaraderie and anecdotes shared on a tour bus.
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Diversification of interests and careers beyond just music

Brooks and Dunn, though best known for their standout country music careers, have embraced other creative outlets and entrepreneurial pursuits, which have allowed them to branch out beyond their musical roots.

Beyond their core country music careers, both Brooks and Dunn explored other creative outlets and entrepreneurial pursuits

Kix Brooks pursued acting opportunities, including co-starring in a Western film and supporting his son's screenwriting ambitions in Hollywood

Kix Brooks has expressed a strong desire to pursue acting, leveraging some theater experience from his college days, and seeking out opportunities in cinema. Brooks mentioned that the constant touring for 20 years made it challenging to commit to filming schedules. Nonetheless, he managed to capitalise on his interests by reaching out to a friend, William Marsh, for a role that escalated into a co-starring opportunity alongside Ernie Hudson in a Western film.

Brooks also takes pride in his son’s screenwriting career. His son, after studying film at Vanderbilt University, moved to Los Angeles with dreams of making it in Hollywood and is now writing movies for Hallmark, a testament to the family’s artistic endeavors branching into various strands of the entertainment industry.

Ronnie Dunn discovered a passion for photography, collaborating with a professional photographer to document his travels and ranching lifestyle

On the other hand, Ronnie Dunn has indulged in photography following a collaboration with a friend who spent 25 years as a photographer for Sports Illustrated. For one to two years, they traveled together, capturing moments from shine rodeos to the natural wonders of the Galapagos. Dunn, taking up this art, shares that he doesn't sell his prints, showcasing his endeavor in photography as a passion rather than a commercial enterprise. Remarkably, he even offers to give one of his prints to the host.

The duo's interests and activities outside of music helped them maintain balance and perspective during the intense demands of their music careers

Exploring new creative mediums and hobbies provided an outlet for Brooks and Dunn to relieve stress and find fulfillment beyond the stage

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  • Ronnie Dunn collaborated with a friend who had a 25-year career as a photographer for Sports Illustrated. They traveled together for a period, capturing various moments and scenes, with Dunn learning and engaging in photography during this time. Dunn's friend's experience and expertise in photography f ...

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