In this episode of The Tim Ferriss Show, breathing expert James Nestor explores the science and practice of various breathing techniques, from ancient Buddhist practices to modern methods. He shares how these techniques can affect body temperature, sleep quality, and respiratory health, drawing from both research and his personal experience overcoming chronic breathing issues. The discussion also covers the connection between breathing disorders and conditions like ADHD in children.
Nestor explains practical tools for improving breathing efficiency, including the Body Oxygen Level Test (BOLT) score and methods like sleep tape usage. The conversation touches on his transition from corporate work to writing about breathing science, sparked by his coverage of the World Freediving Championships, and details the process of developing his book "Breath" from a lengthy manuscript into its final form.
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James Nestor and Tim Ferriss explore several ancient breathing practices and their modern applications. They discuss Tummo, a Bon Buddhist practice for generating body heat; Sudarshan Kriya, which Nestor experienced through Art of Living programs; and the Wim Hof Method, which involves deep, rapid breaths followed by breath holds. Ferriss notes that these techniques, particularly Tummo, can be so effective that practitioners can dry wet sheets with their body heat.
Nestor shares how breathwork helped him overcome chronic respiratory issues, including pneumonia and bronchitis, despite maintaining an otherwise healthy lifestyle. His research reveals a significant connection between breathing disorders and ADHD in children. He explains that many children diagnosed with ADHD actually suffer from sleep-disordered breathing, which can lead to sleep deprivation and various health issues, including potential neurological damage and increased diabetes risk.
The Body Oxygen Level Test (BOLT) score, as explained by Nestor, measures breathing efficiency and carbon dioxide tolerance. He suggests that nasal breathing practice can improve BOLT scores over time. Nestor experimented with various tools to enhance breathing, including sleep tape and the Relaxator breathing device. After seven years of using sleep tape, he reports significant improvements in his sleep quality and respiratory health.
Nestor describes his journey from a corporate career to becoming a writer, with his breakthrough moment coming while covering the World Freediving Championships for Outside Magazine. This assignment sparked his fascination with breathing science and led to his book "Breath." The writing process proved challenging, requiring him to transform a 290,000-word draft into an 85,000-word book with the help of his agent and editor, who helped him structure the narrative around a personal 20-day breathing experiment.
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James Nestor, Tim Ferriss, and others have explored various breathwork practices, including Tummo, Sudarshan Kriya, and the Wim Hof Method, learning directly from the pioneers of these techniques.
Exploring different breathwork practices has shed light on their physiological impacts and historical or cultural significance.
Tummo is an ancient practice originating from Bon Buddhists, used to generate and retain heat within the body. This technique has been utilized by Himalayan monks for millennia as a means to withstand the cold. The practice varies in interpretation—some view it as a spiritual exercise, while others appreciate its practicality for survival. Tummo includes a traditional form, which involves slow breathing and reduced metabolism that peculiarly increases body heat, as well as a more commercial adaptation. This adaptation includes intense hyperventilation followed by breath holds and the creation of body pressure—akin to the Wim Hof method. Tim Ferriss points out that monks can even be seen drying wet sheets on their bodies through Tummo, showcasing its effectiveness.
James Nestor shares his experience with Sudarshan Kriya, learned through the Art of Living programs. While he was initially skeptical of various aspects of the workshop, the actual breathwork had a profound impact, causing him to sweat profusely despite being in a dark and cool environment. This intense physical response piqued Nestor's interest in the potenti ...
Breathwork and Breathing Techniques
The impact of breathwork on health is gaining recognition, with personal testimonies and research pointing to its ability to alleviate chronic respiratory issues and its potential role in addressing symptoms commonly associated with ADHD in children.
Nestor's journey into the world of breathwork began due to personal health challenges. Despite maintaining a lifestyle with a healthy diet, sufficient sleep, and regular exercise, Nestor suffered from chronic respiratory issues, including pneumonia and bronchitis. In search of relief, he experimented with breathwork on the advice of a doctor friend, leading to a marked improvement in his condition.
Inspired by the significant amelioration of his own respiratory problems through breathwork, Nestor grew convinced there was a scientific basis behind the benefits of proper breathing. This conviction prompted him to delve deeper into researching the topic, particularly focusing on ancient practices that enhance breathing through biomechanics and varied breathing patterns. These practices, which have been applied for thousands of years, are now being analyzed with modern instruments, allowing the measurement and observation of their effects.
Tim Ferriss also adds to the anecdotal evidence in support of breathwork, sharing his personal experience with respiratory issues, specifically with his left lung, and acknowledging breathwork's considerable role in his own health journey.
One of the critical areas that Nestor's research has explored is the connection between children who experience sleep-disordered breathing at night and those diagnosed with ADHD.
Nestor discusses a significant overlap between children who have breathing disturbances during sleep, such as snoring or sleep apnea, and those diagnosed with ADHD. Researchers believe that what ...
Health Benefits and Applications of Breathwork
James Nestor delves into the physiology of breathing and how one can measure and improve breathing efficiency through various techniques and tools.
The Body Oxygen Level Test (BOLT) score is a method used to assess the efficiency of one's breathing and their tolerance to carbon dioxide. James Nestor explains that the BOLT score is determined by taking a few normal nasal breaths, then pausing the breath after an exhalation until the first urge to breathe occurs, and measuring that time. The BOLT score is a reflection of carbon dioxide tolerance and breathing efficiency. Nestor notes that this score can vary throughout the day, influenced by factors such as stress or tiredness.
Nestor emphasizes that nasal breathing, as opposed to mouth breathing, can lead to improvements in breathing efficiency and has implications for BOLT scores. He mentions that simple practices such as breathing through the nose can have profound effects, and joggers who adopt this habit might see benefits. Nestor also suggests that the BOLT score may increase with a focus on fewer, deeper, and slower breaths, which can sometimes double or even triple the BOLT score after a couple of weeks.
Nestor experimented with various devices and techniques to enhance his breathing and overall respiratory health. He discusses using the Relaxator, a breath resistance device, to maintain a steady breathing rhythm during long work hours. This helps to prevent issues like high blood pressure and headaches associated with disrupted breathing patterns, also known as email apnea.
Furthermore, he tested the benefits of wearing mouth tape at night, initially learning about this at Stanford and despite initial skepticism, he has been using it nearly every night for seven years. Although the first two weeks were challenging, Nestor found that sleep quality improved with its continued use. He also noticed a considerable difference in his sleep scores when not using the tape.
To further support nasal breathing, Nestor mentions Myotape, designed for both adults and children. He suggests positional therapy, such as the old method of taping a tennis ball to the back of a shirt to encourage side sleeping, which can im ...
Measuring and Improving Breathing Efficiency
Nestor shares insights into his transition from a corporate career to becoming a writer, his breakthrough covering the World Freediving Championships, and the rigorous process of writing and editing his book "Breath."
James Nestor recounts leaving his secure corporate position and the financial stability it provided, including the ability to buy a house, to pursue his passion for writing without a clear plan. Despite the need to support himself and pay his mortgage, he didn’t wait for inspiration to strike and diligently produced work on his own, enjoying the engagement with different people and immersing himself in multiple worlds through nights and weekends spent writing magazine articles. Eventually, during a performance review, he unexpectedly quit his job—a decision he felt was almost beyond his control—and embraced the opportunity to do something that sparked his curiosity about the world and fulfilled him in a way his office job never had.
Nestor's storytelling career took a critical turn when he was sent to Greece to cover the World Freediving Championships for Outside Magazine. The assignment, which turned out to be harrowing yet transformative, became much more than just a story; it inspired a fascination with the science of breathing. His successful article not only caught attention but also secured a book deal, which somewhat eased his financial worries, marking a turning point from covering any topic for magazines in order to sustain his finances to being able to delve into a subject he stumbled upon but grew passionate about.
Nestor candidly discusses the roadblocks he encountered while writing his book "Breath." The challenge of transitioning from the short form of articles to the long form of a book was significant. His attempt to create a cohesive and compelling narrative initially fell short; the manuscript he provided to his agent and editor was expansive but failed to enthrall. Their intervention was crucial in helping him recognize a viable structure for his work, ultim ...
Nestor's Personal and Professional Experiences
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