#816: Nsima Inyang, Mutant and Movement Coach — True Athleticism at Any Age, Microdosing Movement, “Rope Flow” as a Key Unlock, Why Sleds and Sandbags Matter, and Much More
On The Tim Ferriss Show, movement coach Nsima Inyang shares practical approaches to physical training and everyday movement. The discussion covers fundamental aspects of exercise, including proper breathing mechanics and spinal positioning, along with insights into unconventional training tools like rope flow and sleds. Inyang explains how these methods can enhance coordination and build full-body strength for athletes of all levels.
The conversation also explores strategies for incorporating movement into daily life through "microdosing" - placing exercise equipment around living spaces to encourage spontaneous activity. Inyang and Ferriss discuss the importance of mastering fundamental movements before advancing to complex exercises, and share various approaches to soft tissue work and recovery, from foam rolling to Gua Sha techniques.
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Breathing, Spinal Integrity, and Fundamental Movement Patterns
Nsima Inyang shares insights on breathing mechanics and spinal positioning during physical activities. He warns against breath-holding during exercise, recommending instead a pattern of inhaling during eccentric movements and exhaling during concentric phases. For spinal integrity, Inyang emphasizes maintaining proper rib cage positioning over the hips while acknowledging the importance of allowing natural spinal movement rather than excessive rigidity.
Unconventional Training Tools and Techniques
Tim Ferriss and Nsima Inyang explore innovative training methods, focusing on rope flow and sled training. Inyang, who learned rope flow from David Weck, explains how it enhances coordination and symmetrical movement patterns, particularly beneficial for activities like jiu-jitsu. The discussion then turns to sled training, which Inyang presents as a versatile and safe option for developing full-body strength, suitable for athletes of all levels.
Progressions, Regressions, and Building a Foundation of Movement
Inyang advocates for mastering fundamental movements before advancing to complex exercises. He recommends starting with unilateral exercises before progressing to bilateral movements, and emphasizes the importance of proper regression when experiencing pain or difficulty. Using Nordic curls as an example, Inyang details how gradual progression through simplified versions of exercises can build strength safely and effectively.
"Microdosing" Movement and Incorporating It Into Daily Life
Ferriss and Inyang discuss the strategy of integrating small amounts of movement throughout the day. They suggest placing exercise equipment like kettlebells, sandbags, and rebounders strategically around living spaces to encourage spontaneous movement. Both emphasize viewing movement as an ongoing practice rather than structured workouts, promoting a more sustainable approach to physical activity.
Soft Tissue Work and Recovery
The discussion concludes with various approaches to self-myofascial release. Inyang and Ferriss recommend tools ranging from foam rollers to Gua Sha implements for different body parts. They emphasize the importance of relaxation during soft tissue work, with Ferriss sharing advice from a Thai Massage therapist that "there's no such thing as too deep, only too fast."
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- While Inyang advises inhaling during eccentric movements and exhaling during concentric phases, some strength and conditioning coaches might argue that the Valsalva maneuver (holding one's breath during heavy lifts) can be beneficial for maintaining intra-abdominal pressure and spinal stability in experienced lifters.
- The emphasis on maintaining proper rib cage positioning over the hips for spinal integrity might be too rigid for certain sports or activities that require dynamic spinal movement, and some practitioners might argue for a more individualized approach to spinal positioning.
- While natural spinal movement is promoted over excessive rigidity, some physical therapists may argue that certain individuals with spinal pathologies may require more rigidity to prevent injury.
- Unconventional training methods like rope flow and sled training may not be suitable for everyone, and some fitness professionals might prefer traditional strength training methods for their simplicity and proven effectiveness.
- The recommendation to master fundamental movements before advancing to complex exercises could be challenged by those who advocate for a more varied approach to training that includes both simple and complex movements to keep workouts engaging and challenging.
- The advice to start with unilateral exercises before progressing to bilateral movements might not be the best approach for everyone, as some individuals may benefit from or prefer starting with bilateral movements to build a base level of strength and stability.
- The strategy of integrating small amounts of movement throughout the day could be less effective for achieving specific fitness goals compared to structured workouts, according to some fitness experts.
- The suggestion to place exercise equipment around living spaces to encourage spontaneous movement might not be practical or aesthetically pleasing for everyone, and some might prefer designated areas or times for exercise.
- The use of self-myofascial release tools like foam rollers and Gua Sha implements might not be the best approach for everyone, and some experts may argue for the superiority of hands-on techniques performed by skilled therapists.
- The advice that "there's no such thing as too deep, only too fast" during soft tissue work could be misleading, as going too deep could potentially cause tissue damage or pain, especially for individuals with certain medical conditions or low pain tolerance.
Actionables
- You can create a movement reminder system by setting up visual cues like colored stickers in different areas of your home or office to prompt you to perform a specific stretch or exercise each time you encounter them. For example, a blue sticker on your bathroom mirror could remind you to do a spinal twist, while a red sticker by your desk could signal it's time for some shoulder rolls.
- Develop a habit of 'exercise snacking' by allocating two-minute breaks every hour during your workday to perform a mini-workout, such as ten squats or a set of desk push-ups. This approach breaks down movement into manageable chunks and can be tracked using a simple spreadsheet or a habit-tracking app to monitor consistency and progression.
- Enhance your living space with 'movement furniture' such as a balance board near your standing desk or a grip strengthener by your couch to integrate strength-building opportunities into your daily routine. These items can serve as both functional tools and conversation pieces, encouraging you to engage with them regularly.
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Breathing, Spinal Integrity, and Fundamental Movement Patterns
Nsima Inyang offers insights on the synchronization of breath and movement and the role of spinal integrity in maintaining a functional and injury-free body during physical activities.
Importance of Proper Breathing Mechanics During Movement
Avoid Breath Holds and Maintain Tension When Exhaling For Safe Exercise
Inyang addresses the negative impact of breath-holding during physical activities. He points out that breath-holding can cause tissues to seize up as the body tries to stay protected, as seen with the Valsalva maneuver during heavy lifting to prevent spinal movement. Inyang argues for the need to breathe while moving to promote safety and freedom of motion, contrasting this with breath-holding, which induces excess tension.
He advises against purposeless breath holds, especially during anxiety-provoking situations like checking one's phone, as they increase global tension and stress. Inyang suggests that during lifting, weights should be lowered to focus on incorporating breath into the concentric phases of movement. For example, inhaling while squatting down and exhaling while rising are recommended to ensure minimal or no breath holding occurs throughout daily activities. Progressively overloading the ability to lift while breathing over time, starting with lighter loads, is his suggested method for changing the habit.
Inyang describes the importance of exhaling when lifting heavy objects, like sandbags, to create force efficiently and maintain safety. He stresses the value of creating tension through the breath to sustain a safe structure during force production, which keeps one safe, aids in lifting progress, and decreases stress on the body over time. Proper breathing while lifting also helps eliminate unnecessary excess tension in the body.
Neutral Spinal Positioning as the Foundation For Movement
Rib Cage Positioning Over Hips Crucial for Force and Injury Prevention
Discussing the squat, Inyang comments on maintaining the spine's structural integrity, ensuring the rib cage is posit ...
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- While exhaling when lifting heavy objects is generally safe, some strength coaches advocate using the Valsalva maneuver during maximal lifts to increase intra-abdominal pressure, which can protect the spine.
- Purposeful breath holds are sometimes used in training to improve an athlete's ability to manage high levels of carbon dioxide and to train diaphragmatic strength.
- Some practitioners argue that incorporating breath into every movement phase may not be practical or beneficial for all types of exercises, especially those requiring high levels of exertion or stability.
- The recommendation to always maintain the rib cage over the hips for force and injury prevention may not apply to all movements or sports, where dynamic postures are necessary.
- While excessive focus on maintaining a neutral spine could potentially limit movement efficiency, it is also a widely accepted method for reducing the risk of injury during many exercises.
- The idea that traditional strength training may d ...
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- You can practice breathing coordination with household chores to integrate proper breathing patterns into daily activities. For example, when you're vacuuming, inhale as you push the vacuum forward and exhale as you pull it back, mimicking the rhythm of squatting and rising. This helps to reinforce the habit of breathing in sync with movement, reducing overall tension.
- Incorporate a 'spine articulation' routine into your morning stretch to enhance spinal mobility. Start by standing straight and then slowly curling down vertebra by vertebra, as if peeling your spine away from a wall, and then carefully uncurling back up. This encourages awareness of spinal movement and can contribute to better limb coordination during your day.
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Unconventional Training Tools and Techniques
Tim Ferriss and Nsima Inyang delve into unconventional training methods that promote better movement patterns and full-body strength, focusing on rope flow and sled training.
Rope Flow For Developing Multi-Planar Movement and Coordination
Tim Ferriss was introduced to today's guest, Nsima Inyang, through rope flow, which blends different athletic disciplines with unconventional training tools. Rope flow addresses deficits in movement patterns, such as the ability to embrace rotation without causing back spasms.
Rope Flow Enhances Symmetry and Athletic Transfer
Inyang learned rope flow from David Weck and found it improved his jiu-jitsu by enhancing symmetry and coordination, which are crucial for the sport. Once movements are linked, rope flow becomes an enjoyable practice, akin to a flow state that feels like play. Inyang offers a free course with over 50 videos at the stronger human, teaching movements such as overhand race and chase and underhand race and chase, which can be linked together.
Ferriss adds walking to the rope flow, integrating a gait pattern, and he suggests that the rope teaches better rotation and movement symmetry. Inyang found rope flow, being symmetrical, allowed him to develop equal rotation with his spine, improving symmetry in other activities. He also believes that rope flow can enhance athletic performance, as it teaches how to generate power through rotation. The ropes for these exercises can be simple ones from stores like Home Depot or specialized equipment like the Magma XL or the RMT rope for smoother feedback.
Sled Training for Full-Body Strength and Power Development
Nsima Inyang discusses sled training as a versatile and safe exercise beneficial for improving gait and structural strength. Sled training is scalable for any fitness level, and if one cannot move the sled, it simply won't budge, eliminating the risk of injury.
Progressing Sled Pushes/Pulls: Spinal Positions & Loading
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- Rope flow may not be suitable for everyone, especially those with pre-existing conditions that limit their range of motion or coordination.
- The benefits of rope flow for athletic performance may be overstated and may not translate as effectively to all sports or athletic endeavors.
- Rope flow and sled training might require a learning curve and may not be immediately enjoyable or effective for all individuals.
- The claim that rope flow can significantly improve symmetry and coordination may not be supported by extensive scientific research.
- Sled training, while scalable, may still present a risk of injury if not performed with proper technique or without appropriate progression.
- The assertion that sled training lacks direct spinal compression may be misleading, as improper technique could still lead to back strain or injury.
- The effectiveness of sled training compared to conventional lifts for strength and power development may vary depending on the individual's goals and the context of their training program.
- The idea that sled training is safe for all athletes may not take into account specific injuri ...
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- You can integrate rope flow into your daily routine by using a regular jump rope to practice fluid movements in different planes, such as side-to-side and front-to-back, to enhance coordination and symmetry.
- Start with simple side swings and progress to figure-eight patterns, focusing on maintaining a rhythm and equal movement on both sides of your body. As you get more comfortable, incorporate these movements into a 5-minute daily warm-up or cool-down session to make it a habit.
- Create a DIY sled alternative using a heavy-duty bag filled with books or sand for at-home sled training to build full-body strength.
- Drag the bag across your yard or a carpeted area in your home, focusing on maintaining a neutral spine. As you progress, adjust your grip and body position to mimic different sled training postures, ensuring you're engaging various muscle groups safely.
- Organize a small group of frien ...
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Progressions, Regressions, and Building a Foundation of Movement
Progressions and regressions in exercises play a fundamental role in building a solid foundation of movement, says Nsima Inyang. He advocates for starting with the basics to properly develop strength and mobility over time.
Importance Of Regressing Exercises to Master the Fundamentals
Inyang suggests that individuals should focus on unilateral exercises such as ATG split squats and various lunges before progressing to bilateral movements like back squats, as these can help in building strength through a longer range of motion. For those looking to work on bilateral squatting, Inyang proposes learning with a sandbag to maintain a neutral spine and teach proper breathing against the load, and regressing to squatting to a box with a barbell, focusing on maintaining tension with reduced loads to ensure safety.
Inyang emphasizes the need for regression to achieve better mobility and strength. He warns that if pain is experienced during an exercise, one should find a way to regress the movement and become proficient with it before attempting to progress. Tim Ferriss conveys the value of swallowing pride, reducing the ego, and returning to fundamentals after an injury, showing the importance of regressing to basics to rebuild technique properly.
Regression and Patience Build Strength and Mobility for Nordic Curls
Inyang stresses the importance of regression and patience in mastering the Nordic hamstring curl to prevent injuries like hamstring pulls. He points out a progressive regression by starting with knees on a bench and ankles strapped, controlling the torso's descent to engage the hamstrings without falling. Inyang also mentions the reduced risk of hamstring injuries in athletes proficient with Nordic curls due to the built strength in the hamstrings' lengthened position. He recommends regressing the exercise for beginners to prevent injury.
To progress with Nordic curls, Inyang began with basic regressions such as using a higher bench and limiting the range of motion, then lowering the bench gradually until achieving a full Nordic curl. He mentions adding assistance on the way up until he built enough strength to perform them without help.
Developing a Holistic Movement Practice Over Time
Simple movements are foundational to a holistic movement practice, as per Inyang. He suggests mastering basic forms with a neutral spine and microdosing movement into routines to avoid flexion intolerance, which lays the groundwork for more complex exercises. Inyang illustrates the transition from light hopping on a rebounder to jumping rope, advocating for building bod ...
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- While unilateral exercises are beneficial, some experts argue that bilateral movements should not be delayed too long as they are also fundamental to developing overall strength and functional movement patterns.
- Using a sandbag for squatting may not be suitable for everyone, especially those with specific goals related to powerlifting or Olympic lifting, where technique with a barbell is paramount.
- The recommendation to regress to box squatting with a barbell for safety might not address the root cause of the pain or dysfunction; some argue that a comprehensive assessment and correction of movement patterns might be more effective.
- The emphasis on regression could potentially lead to undertraining or excessive caution, where individuals might not challenge themselves enough to make significant strength or mobility gains.
- The idea of "microdosing" movement might not be sufficient for all populations, especially athletes or individuals looking for more significant physical adaptations, who may require more intense and frequent training stimuli.
- The suggestion that simple movements like hopping or jump roping are universally beneficial may not take into account individual differences in joint health or the potential for overuse injuries in some populations.
- The approach of treating the loss of ability to jump like relearning to walk might not be appropriate f ...
Actionables
- You can create a movement journal to track your exercise progressions and regressions, noting how each variation feels and any pain points encountered. Start by selecting a few basic exercises and record your starting point, detailing the specific regressions you use, such as a higher box for squats or assisted Nordic curls. Over time, this journal will help you visualize your progress and understand your body's responses to different movements.
- Develop a "micro-movement" routine to integrate into your daily life, focusing on incorporating small, foundational exercises at regular intervals. For example, set a timer to remind you every hour to perform a set of simple movements like shoulder rolls, ankle circles, or gentle squats. This habit can help maintain mobility and gradually prepare your body for more complex exercises without overwhelming it.
- Organize a small group of friends or family members for a weekly "movem ...
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"Microdosing" Movement and Incorporating It Into Daily Life
Placing Equipment to Encourage Movement
Tim Ferriss and his guests explore the concept of integrating small, manageable amounts of physical activity into daily routines, aptly termed "microdosing movement." Hardware like kettlebells, sandbags, rebounders, and grip tools are strategically placed within living and workspaces to serve as visual cues and eliminate barriers to activity.
Kettlebells, Sandbags, and Rebounders Ease Movement In Routines
Nsima Inyang practices what he preaches by keeping various exercise equipment around his workspace, including kettlebells, clubs, a 100-pound sandbag, and grip strengtheners. He views these tools as prompts that nudge him to engage in movement, such as swings or squats, throughout his day. Ferriss discusses his own setup, highlighting the use of kettlebell swings and a rebounder in his daily routine. Inyang also endorses sandbags for their asymmetrical, shape-shifting nature, which introduces a real-life variable in lifting techniques. This utility complements the functional tasks we encounter daily, making a sandbag an essential tool in one's movement diet.
Considering Movement as "Practice" Rather Than a Workout
Adopting Lifelong Learning Over Short-Term Goals
Both Ferriss and Inyang shift focus from structured, goal-oriented workouts to seeing movement as a continuous, lifelong practice. Integrating movement into the fabric of daily life transforms it from a chore into a playful, exploratory activity. Inyang provides an example of using a rope for flow exercises, which he performs not as a workout regimen, but as a playful practice. Ferriss shares this sentiment, suggesting that steady progress in any movement form, including kettlebell swings or rope flow, should be viewed as a long-term endeavour.
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- While microdosing movement can be beneficial, it may not provide the same cardiovascular and strength benefits as longer, more intense workout sessions, which are important for overall health.
- Strategic placement of equipment might not be feasible for everyone due to space constraints or financial limitations.
- Some individuals may require a more structured exercise regimen to meet specific fitness goals, such as weight loss or muscle building.
- The concept of integrating movement into daily life may not address the need for rest and recovery, which are also crucial components of a balanced fitness regimen.
- For some, the lack of a structured program could lead to inconsistent exercise habits and difficulty in tracking progress.
- The idea of movement as a playful, exploratory activity might not resonate with everyone, as some may prefer the structure and predictability of traditional workouts.
- There could be a risk of injury when engaging in spontaneous physical activities without proper warm-up or knowledge of correct form, especially with equipment like kettlebells and sandbags.
- Not ...
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- You can create a movement-based game with your family or friends where each person invents a simple, fun physical activity, and everyone takes turns performing it throughout the day. This could be anything from a specific number of jumping jacks to an impromptu dance move, making movement a shared and enjoyable experience.
- Turn regular household chores into mini-workouts by adding bodyweight exercises between tasks; for example, do a set of squats after loading the dishwasher or lunges while vacuuming. This integrates movement into your daily routine and turns mundane activities into opportunities for physical activity.
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Soft Tissue Work and Recovery
Soft tissue treatment, as discussed by Tim Ferriss and Nsima Inyang, can be a regular and integral part of one's routine, akin to "microdosing movement," without requiring a dramatic overhaul of one's habits. They suggest various tools and techniques for self-myofascial release, emphasizing their role in pain relief and overall physical health.
Using Tools and Techniques For Self-Myofascial Release
Tim Ferriss and Nsima Inyang discuss the use of various tools to administer self-myofascial release to different parts of the body. Inyang recommends using equipment like a foam roller or a hard med ball for myofascial release, which can sometimes cause discomfort due to their hardness. People can use a Gua Sha tool or a butter knife for tight areas, such as the forearms, they should lotion up the area and then work it.
Specifically, Inyang mentions using a tennis ball at home for the often-neglected tissues on the bottoms of the feet, while Ferriss talks about using a product called Rubz to roll out his feet for systemic relief. Ferriss also mentions the importance of rolling over the IT band with a foam roller as part of soft tissue treatment.
Furthermore, Inyang discusses the use of tools like a gouache tool and a body lever to do tissue work on different parts of his body, including the head, temple, and back of the neck, especially while in the sauna. Inyang encourages becoming one's own body worker, learning to alleviate discomfort by applying pressure to certain areas.
Foam Rolling, Gua Sha, and Percussive Therapy For Tension Areas
Multiple tools such as the Back Buddy, which allows focused soft tissue work on the back, are mentioned as beneficial. Inyang suggests getting a medicine ball from Amazon for rolling on top to work on the hamstrings, quads, and torso. He also recommends lightly softer tools, such as Tune Up Fitness balls, before moving on to harder tools like Kelly Starrett's supernova or his peanut. Gua Sha tools, with varying forms and types of pressure, are highlighted for daily use to provide rubbing pressure.
Importance of Relaxation During Soft Tissue Work
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- While self-myofascial release can be beneficial, it is not a one-size-fits-all solution and may not be suitable for everyone, especially those with certain medical conditions or injuries.
- The effectiveness of tools like foam rollers, Gua Sha, and others for pain relief and myofascial release is supported by anecdotal evidence, but scientific research on their long-term benefits and effectiveness is still limited.
- Overuse of self-myofascial release tools can lead to bruising, increased inflammation, or even injury if not used correctly.
- The emphasis on self-treatment may lead individuals to self-diagnose and treat conditions that require professional medical attention, potentially delaying necessary treatment.
- The recommendation to maintain a relaxed face to avoid tissue binding is not widely recognized in the scientific community as a necessary practice for effective myofascial release.
- The advice that there's no such thing as too deep, only too fast, may not apply to everyone, as some individuals may be more sensitive to deep pressure and could experience pain or injury.
- The use of an acupressure mat and other tools before bed may not be relaxing for all individuals and could potentially disrupt sleep patterns for some.
- The suggestion to become one's ...
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- Create a DIY soft tissue toolkit using household items for areas not covered by the podcast, like filling a sock with rice and microwaving it for a warm compress, or using a rolling pin for larger muscle areas like thighs and calves. The warmth can help relax muscles before using pressure tools, and the rolling pin can mimic larger foam rollers for broad muscle groups.
- Develop a habit tracker to incorporate soft tissue work into your daily routine, setting reminders to spend a few minutes every morning or evening on specific body parts. This could be as simple as a printed calendar on your fridge where you check off each day you complete your soft tissue routine, ensuring consistency and making it a habit.
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