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Advice To Avoid, The Dark Side of Therapy, and Taking Your Own Medicine

By Mark Manson

On The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck Podcast, Mark Manson and his guests explore the paradoxes of advice-giving and the self-help industry. While aiming to provide actionable guidance, one-size-fits-all solutions often fail to account for individual circumstances, potentially undermining personal agency.

The discussion delves into the expansion of "therapy culture" beyond the clinical setting, warning against rewarding victim mentalities or over-emphasizing therapists' authority. Manson identifies a societal pendulum swing from self-fulfillment ethos toward a renewed emphasis on self-control and responsibility, led by a more cautious younger generation.

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Advice To Avoid, The Dark Side of Therapy, and Taking Your Own Medicine

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Individual Resistance to Advice and Limitations of Self-Help

Mark Manson expresses personal resistance to being told what to do, reflecting a broader aversion to prescriptive advice. While self-help content aims to provide actionable guidance, Manson criticizes one-size-fits-all solutions' inability to account for diverse individual circumstances and backgrounds.

Manson argues providing rigid advice can undermine personal agency. Rather than giving directives, he prefers helping readers find their own answers through better questioning, as success feels more meaningful when self-attributed. Birnie reinforces discovering personal solutions through trial and error.

Therapy Culture: Public Expansion vs Private Therapy

While acknowledging one-on-one therapy's benefits in a private, controlled setting, Manson and Birnie warn against "therapy culture" permeating public spheres like workplaces or politics. Rewarding victim mentalities or emotional sensitivity creates toxic dynamics, and overemphasizing therapists' authority in non-clinical contexts is problematic.

The Historical Pendulum of Self-Fulfillment and Self-Denial

According to Birnie, Western moralities have evolved from honor to salvation to the current self-fulfillment ethos. DeBoer criticizes "therapy culture" as a narcissistic extension where feelings override societal well-being. However, Manson observes signs of society swinging back toward emphasizing self-control and responsibility, led by a more cautious younger generation.

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  • "Therapy culture" is a term used to describe a societal shift where therapeutic language and practices become prevalent in various aspects of life beyond traditional therapy settings. This phenomenon involves an increased focus on emotions, self-expression, and personal growth in public spaces like workplaces, schools, and even politics. Critics argue that an overreliance on therapeutic approaches outside of clinical settings can lead to a culture that prioritizes victim mentalities, emotional sensitivity, and dependency on external validation, potentially undermining personal agency and resilience. The concept highlights the potential risks of blurring the boundaries between professional therapy and everyday life, raising concerns about the impact of this cultural shift on individual well-being and societal dynamics.
  • The historical evolution of Western moralities from honor to salvation to self-fulfillment reflects changing societal values over time. Initially, honor was a central moral principle, emphasizing duty, loyalty, and reputation. This shifted towards a focus on salvation during religious periods, highlighting spiritual redemption and adherence to religious teachings. In modern times, there has been a transition towards self-fulfillment, prioritizing personal happiness, growth, and fulfillment as key moral objectives.

Counterarguments

  • While Manson criticizes one-size-fits-all solutions, some standardized advice can be beneficial for the majority and serve as a starting point for personal adaptation.
  • Guiding individuals to find their own answers is valuable, but some people may lack the necessary skills or knowledge to do so without initial direct advice.
  • Success may feel more meaningful when self-attributed, but external guidance and recognition can also play a crucial role in motivation and validation.
  • Trial and error is a useful learning tool, but it can also be inefficient or risky in some situations where expert advice could prevent common mistakes.
  • The spread of "therapy culture" in public spheres can be seen as promoting emotional intelligence and empathy, which can enhance workplace and political environments.
  • Recognizing emotional sensitivity and victim experiences can be part of creating an inclusive and supportive community, rather than necessarily creating toxic dynamics.
  • Therapists' insights in non-clinical contexts can offer valuable perspectives on human behavior that inform better policy-making and organizational practices.
  • The shift towards self-fulfillment in Western moralities can also be interpreted as progress towards individual autonomy and freedom, rather than mere narcissism.
  • Emphasizing feelings does not necessarily override societal well-being; it can lead to a more compassionate society that values mental health and personal well-being.
  • A swing back towards self-control and responsibility could risk neglecting the importance of understanding and addressing systemic issues that affect individual behavior and well-being.

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Individual resistance to advice and the limitations of prescriptive self-help

Mark Manson and Birnie explore why people often resist being told what to do and discuss the challenges and limitations of providing universal advice through self-help materials.

People often have an innate aversion to being told what to do, especially by authority figures.

Manson describes himself as a "compulsive contrarian," particularly when authority figures recommend a course of action. He acknowledges that while being contrarian can lead to great insights when correct, it often results in looking foolish when wrong. Manson's discussion portrays a general resistance to prescriptive advice, which can occur even when that advice is sound.

Self-help and personal development content often tries to provide specific, actionable advice, but this approach has significant limitations.

Manson criticizes the self-help industry's tendency to market one-size-fits-all solutions. He notes that advice that should be beneficial, based on overwhelming evidence such as getting enough sleep and spending time with good people, ends up being basic and unexciting to many people because it lacks the allure of a "secret" or "hack."

The broad diversity of people's individual circumstances, backgrounds, and personalities makes it difficult to prescribe universal solutions.

Manson discusses the vast diversity of his audience and the challenges of prescribing universal advice due to varying contexts, such as individual experiences with depression or trauma versus those simply looking to improve decent circumstances.

Manson also indicates that advice needs to be culturally sensitive and admits the difficulty he faces providing accurate advice to people from vastly different cultures like Pakistan, India, and Syria. This reflects the reality that universal solutions are often ineffective given people’s diverse personal and cultural backgrounds.

Providing rigid, directive advice can undermine people's sense of agency and personal responsibility for their own growth.

Birnie discusses the impracticability of adhering to the abundance of specific, actionable advice in the self-help industry. Similarly, Manson admits even he struggles with implementin ...

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  • While people may resist being told what to do, this resistance can sometimes be mitigated through collaborative approaches that involve the individual in the decision-making process, thereby increasing buy-in and reducing resistance.
  • Self-help materials, despite their limitations, can provide valuable frameworks or starting points for individuals seeking improvement, even if the advice needs to be tailored to individual circumstances.
  • Universal solutions, while not always perfectly applicable, can offer common principles or strategies that are broadly beneficial, such as promoting positive habits or encouraging hea ...

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  • You can reflect on your reactions to advice by keeping a journal where you note your feelings and thoughts when receiving guidance. This practice will help you understand your resistance patterns and identify the types of advice that you find most and least helpful. For example, after a work meeting where your boss gives a directive, write down how it made you feel and whether it motivated you to act or made you want to push back.
  • Develop a personalized growth plan by selecting one area you want to improve and then gather various perspectives on that topic. Instead of following a single self-help method, combine insights from different sources to create a strategy that resonates with your unique situation. If you're looking to improve your public speaking, for instance, you might watch TED Talks, read articles by introverted speakers, and experiment with techniques from improv classes to build a tailored approach.
  • Start a peer coaching group with friends or colleagues where each person shares their goals and ...

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The distinction between therapy in private vs. "therapy culture" in public

Drew Birnie and Mark Manson explore the nuanced distinction between one-on-one therapy in a private setting and the broader implications of "therapy culture" in public life, examining how the latter can become toxic and counterproductive.

One-on-one therapy in a private, confidential setting can be tremendously beneficial for individuals.

Mark Manson reinforces the benefits of personal therapy, picturing the classic scenario where individuals sit down in a confidential setting with a therapist to work through personal issues. This process, he notes, is very beneficial for exploring emotions, vulnerabilities, and personal issues. He promotes BetterHelp, an online therapy platform, as an accessible resource for personal growth and clarity, suggesting that therapy can be beneficial even outside of crisis situations.

The therapeutic process of exploring emotions, vulnerabilities, and personal issues works well in a controlled, supportive environment.

Manson acknowledges that therapy, in the context of a controlled private environment, allows individuals to discuss issues safely and achieve personal growth. This personal therapy is depicted as an environment specifically tailored to the individual's needs, allowing for an intimate and supportive experience that works exceptionally well within those confines.

However, when the language and principles of therapy start to permeate broader social and institutional contexts, it can become toxic and counterproductive.

The conversation shifts to the cultural phenomenon where the principles of therapy have begun to infuse into social settings such as schools, workplaces, and political arenas. Manson points out that this therapy culture can be extremely toxic, describing it as the movement of therapy's vulnerable, victim-centered principles to public settings where they might create unhealthy dynamics.

Socially rewarding people for identifying as victims or overly prioritizing emotional sensitivity can create unhealthy dynamics.

Manson critiques the way that therapy culture transfers to public settings, creating social incentives that reward individuals for identifying as victims or foster an environment where emotional sensitivity is prioritized to a fault. This transformation can result in more toxic social surroundings and potential harm to mental health.

Overemphasizing the authority and expertise of therapists can lead to them being inappropriately inserted into people's lives and relationships.

Birnie and Manson agree that the principles of therapy do not scale well. They ...

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  • "Therapy culture" in public life refers to the phenomenon where therapeutic principles and language extend beyond individual therapy sessions into broader societal contexts like schools, workplaces, and politics. It involves the normalization of discussing emotions, vulnerabilities, and personal issues in public settings, potentially leading to a culture that rewards victimhood and emotional sensitivity. This cultural shift can create unhealthy dynamics by overemphasizing the authority of therapists outside of traditional therapeutic settings, impacting social interactions and individual decision-making. The concept highlights the potential risks of blurring the boundaries between private therapeutic processes and the broader societal adoption of therapeutic norms.
  • In broader social and institutional contexts, the concept of "therapy culture" can become toxic when principles from individual therapy settings are applied inappropriately. This can lead to situations where individuals are rewarded for portraying themselves as victims or overly prioritizing emotional sensitivity. Overemphasizing the authority of therapists outside of one-on-one sessions can also create unhealthy dynamics and potentially harm mental health. The intrusion of therapy culture into public spaces like schools and workplaces can blur boundaries and lead to reliance on therapists for personal and societal decisions.
  • In the context of therapy culture, socially rewarding individuals for identifying as victims or overly prioritizing emotional sensitivity can lead to a dynamic where people seek validation and attention through their perceived vulnerabilities. This can create a culture where victimhood is glorified, potentially overshadowing personal growth and resilience. Overemphasizing emotional sensitivity may discourage individuals from developing coping mechanisms and problem-solving skills, as they may rely more on external validation and support. This dynamic can contribute to a cycle where individuals feel incentivized to amplify their struggles for social recognition and support.
  • In public settings, overemphasizing the authority and expertise of therapists can lead to inappropriate reliance on their advice outside of individual therapy sessions. This can create a dynamic where individuals defer important decisions to their therapists, potentially impacting personal relationships and societal i ...

Counterarguments

  • While one-on-one therapy is beneficial, it may not be accessible or affordable for everyone, and alternative support systems or community-based approaches could also be effective.
  • Personal growth can occur in various environments, not just in therapy; self-help, peer support groups, and other methods can also facilitate personal development.
  • Therapy culture in public settings can raise awareness about mental health and encourage supportive practices, which can be beneficial if implemented with care and without overemphasis on victimhood.
  • Recognizing and validating emotional sensitivity and experiences of victimhood can be part of a compassionate society and may help in addressing systemic issues.
  • Therapists' expertise, when appropriately applied in public settings like schools or workplaces, can contribute positively to the well ...

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The historical and philosophical context around shifting social/moral paradigms of self-fulfillment vs. self-denial

A review of historical and contemporary perspectives on the oscillation between self-fulfillment and self-denial paradigms in Western societies.

Throughout history, Western societies have cycled between moral paradigms focused on honor, salvation, and self-fulfillment.

The current era is characterized by a moral code centered around individual self-actualization and the idea that everyone deserves to live to their fullest potential.

Drew Birnie highlights the evolution of Western moralities, detailing a trajectory from a morality of honor in smaller societies, to one of salvation under religious influences, and currently, to a morality of self-fulfillment that has matured over the last 150 to 200 years. Mark Manson further elaborates on the historical pattern, noting a generational cycle between principles of self-denial and self-indulgence, with the current epoch emphasizing the latter.

"Therapy culture" can be seen as an extreme manifestation of this self-fulfillment ethos, taken to the point of narcissism and the belief that one's feelings and desires should always be prioritized.

This contrasts with previous eras dominated by values of self-denial, discipline, and restraint.

Mark Manson reflects upon the impact of "therapy culture," introduced as an ideology stemming from reduced religiosity, painting a world where self-projection and emotional insulation are paramount. Freddie DeBoer criticizes this cultural movement for spawning an egoistic perception of existence where self-fulfillment overshadows collective well-being. Birnie echoes this by positioning extreme "therapy culture" as a deviation from balanced self-fulfil ...

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  • The oscillation between moral paradigms of self-fulfillment and self-denial in Western societies reflects the historical shifts in values and beliefs regarding individual happiness and societal obligations. This cycle involves periods where society emphasizes personal growth, fulfillment, and self-actualization, followed by phases that prioritize self-restraint, discipline, and collective well-being. These shifts are influenced by various factors such as cultural movements, philosophical trends, religious doctrines, and societal norms, shaping how individuals perceive their roles within the community and their responsibilities towards themselves and others. The interplay between self-fulfillment and self-denial paradigms highlights the dynamic nature of moral frameworks in Western cultures, showcasing how societal values evolve over time in response to changing circumstances and ideologies.
  • The evolution of Western moralities from honor to salvation to self-fulfillment reflects changing societal values over time. Initially, honor was a key moral principle in smaller societies, emphasizing reputation and duty. With the rise of religious influences, salvation became central, focusing on spiritual redemption. In modern times, self-fulfillment has emerged as a dominant moral paradigm, emphasizing individual growth and happiness.
  • "Therapy culture" represents a societal trend where self-fulfillment and emotional well-being are prioritized to an extreme degree, sometimes leading to narcissism and self-centeredness. It involves a strong emphasis on individual feelings and desires, often at the expense of considering broader societal or communal needs. This cultural phenomenon is often associated with a decline in traditional religious influences and an increased focus on personal growth and psychological well-being. Critics argue that an overemphasis on "therapy culture" can lead to a lack of resilience, an inflated sense of self-importance, and a diminished sense of collective responsibility.
  • The decline in religiosity has led to the rise of "therapy culture" by creating a void in traditional moral guidance, prompting individuals to seek emotional support and self-fulfillment through therapeutic practices rather than religious institutions. This shift has allowed for a more individualistic approach to personal growth and well-being, emphasizing self-expression and introspection over adherence to religious doctrines. The reduced influence of organized religion has contributed to a societal focus on psychological well-being and self-actualization as people turn to therapy and self-help resources for guidance and fulfillment. This cultural shift reflects a broader trend towards secularism and a reevaluation of traditional sources of moral authority in favor of more personalized and subjective approaches to navigating life's challenges.
  • "Therapy culture" criticism stems from concerns that excessive focus on individual self-fulfillment can lead to a neglect of broader societal needs and values. Critics argue that an overemphasis on personal desires and emotions may undermine the importance of collective well-being and social cohesion. This critique suggests that an extreme pursuit of self-fulfillment, without regard for the impact on others or the community, could erode empathy and cooperation within society. The debate highlights the tension between individual happiness and the greater good, questioning the balance between personal growth and societal harmony.
  • Societal shifts towards values of restraint and self-discipline indicate a movement towards emphasizing moderation, control, and responsibility in personal behaviors and decision-making. This trend suggests a growing preference for traditional conservative ideals that prioritize self-control and adherence to societal norms over more indulgent or impulsive behaviors. It reflects a potenti ...

Counterarguments

  • The concept of "therapy culture" may not be universally negative; it can also be seen as a means of promoting mental health awareness and destigmatizing seeking help.
  • The emphasis on self-fulfillment does not necessarily lead to narcissism; it can coexist with altruism and a sense of social responsibility.
  • The idea that we are currently in an era of self-indulgence may overlook the complexities of modern life, where many people still prioritize community and family over individual desires.
  • The decline in behaviors like drug use and teen pregnancy could be attributed to better education and access to resources rather than a moral shift towards self-denial.
  • The generational cycle between self-denial and self-indulgence may be an oversimplification and not accurately reflect the diverse values and behaviors within a generation.
  • The resurgence of self-denial values may not be as widespread as suggested and could be influenced by other factors such as economic conditions or political climates.
  • The historical narrative of shifting from honor to salvation to self-fu ...

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