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How to Stop Living for Other People (ft. Ben Nemtin)

By Mark Manson

In this episode of The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck Podcast, Mark Manson and Ben Nemtin explore the universal feeling of having a "buried life" – suppressed dreams and an unfulfilled sense of purpose. Nemtin shares how pursuing a "bucket list" of dreams became a journey of self-discovery, helping uncover one's authentic self and move towards their true potential.

The conversation delves into the practical steps of creating a bucket list, building accountability through sharing goals, and overcoming the fear of failure. Nemtin emphasizes the importance of surrounding oneself with inspiring people, using emotions like fear to fuel action, and prioritizing one's evolving authentic self over external validation.

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How to Stop Living for Other People (ft. Ben Nemtin)

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The journey of self-discovery and uncovering one's buried dreams

Mark Manson and Ben Nemtin discuss the universal feeling of having a "buried life" - suppressed dreams and an unfulfilled true purpose. Nemtin shares how Matthew Arnold's poem "The Buried Life" resonated with this feeling, inspiring him and his friends to document their pursuit of a bucket list of dreams.

Pursuing the "bucket list" as a journey of self-discovery

What began as achieving dreams evolved into a journey of self-discovery. Nemtin notes that testing experiences helped find one's authentic self, which studies link to happiness and living without regrets. The process gave them a sense of moving towards their potential.

The practical steps of creating a bucket list and taking action on it

Viewing the list as a holistic map and series of experiments

Nemtin suggests categorizing dreams across life domains like relationships and creativity. He views the list as experiments to explore interests, not just tasks. Dreams evolve, so revisiting the list is crucial.

Building accountability through sharing goals

Nemtin and Drew Birnie emphasize sharing goals with an accountability partner, which increases the likelihood of achieving them by 77%. Enlisting others' help is also key, as moving through fears of judgment makes people more supportive.

Overcoming the fear of failure

Realizing others aren't as focused on our potential failures as we think helps mitigate the fear of judgment. Reframing failure as a learning opportunity, not a permanent setback, is also valuable.

The role of accountability, social support, and overcoming fears

Surrounding oneself with inspiring people

Nemtin stresses surrounding oneself with inspiring people propels personal growth and ability to make an impact. Living authentically inspires others.

Leveraging emotions to fuel action

Nemtin advises using fear as a sign an endeavor is meaningful, and worth pursuing through action. Consistent effort improves mood and motivation.

Prioritizing one's authentic self

Nemtin highlights letting go of perfectionism and external validation to focus on living true to one's evolving purpose and potential, which brings fulfillment.

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Counterarguments

  • The concept of a "buried life" may not resonate with everyone; some individuals may feel they are living in alignment with their dreams and purpose.
  • Pursuing a bucket list can sometimes lead to an unhealthy obsession with checking off items rather than enjoying the journey or the present moment.
  • Self-discovery is a complex process that may not always be linked to pursuing dreams; it can also occur through adversity, routine life, or introspection without a specific list of goals.
  • Categorizing dreams and treating them as experiments might not suit people who thrive on spontaneity or who find such structure restrictive.
  • The idea that sharing goals with others increases the likelihood of achieving them may not hold true for individuals who are more motivated by internal factors than social accountability.
  • The suggestion to enlist others' help overlooks the fact that some goals may require personal, solitary effort, and involving others might not always be beneficial or possible.
  • The notion that others are not focused on our failures can be overly optimistic; in some environments, there is a high level of scrutiny and judgment on failure.
  • While reframing failure as a learning opportunity is generally positive, it may not address the real consequences that some failures can have, such as financial loss or damaged relationships.
  • The advice to surround oneself with inspiring people may not acknowledge the value of a diverse range of relationships, including those that challenge or disagree with us.
  • Using fear as a sign to pursue action might not be appropriate in all situations; sometimes fear is a valid warning sign of danger or a poor decision.
  • The emphasis on consistent effort improving mood and motivation may not consider the need for rest and recovery, which are also important for mental health and long-term success.
  • The idea of letting go of perfectionism and external validation, while beneficial in many cases, may not fully appreciate the role that these factors can play in driving excellence and improvement in certain fields or endeavors.

Actionables

  • Create a "Dreams in Action" journal where you dedicate a section to each life domain and write down actionable steps for each dream, treating them as mini-projects with deadlines and specific milestones. This approach breaks down larger dreams into manageable tasks, making them less daunting and more achievable. For example, if one of your dreams is to learn a new language, your action steps might include scheduling weekly language lessons, practicing with a language exchange partner, and setting a goal to have a basic conversation in three months.
  • Develop a "Fear Compass" mobile app concept that vibrates or sends a notification when you're about to avoid something due to fear, reminding you to consider if it's a meaningful endeavor. While you may not have the skills to create the app yourself, you can start by setting reminders on your phone that prompt you to reflect on your fears and the importance of the task at hand. For instance, if you're hesitant to submit a proposal for a project, the reminder could push you to reframe the fear as a sign that the project matters to you and encourage you to proceed.
  • Organize a monthly "Authenticity Circle" with friends or community members where everyone shares their progress on living authentically, without seeking perfection or external validation. This group acts as a support system where you can celebrate small victories and learn from each other's experiences. In these meetings, you might share a personal story of choosing a path that aligns with your values over one that offers more recognition, and discuss the outcomes and feelings associated with that choice.

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The journey of self-discovery and uncovering one's buried dreams

The concept of a "buried life" highlights the universal desire to uncover one's true purpose and realize dreams that have been suppressed or forgotten.

The universal feeling of a "buried life" and the desire to uncover one's true purpose

Mark Manson discusses the commonality of questioning one's purpose or the feeling of having a buried life, particularly among younger generations. Manson suggests that questioning is more prevalent now than in the past, possibly related to the many choices and distractions of the 21st century. Ben Nemtin draws upon Matthew Arnold's poem "The Buried Life," written 175 years ago, recognizing that it depicts the same sense of buried aspirations that people still feel today – arguably even more so, given the modern pace of life and the distractions of the internet.

The authors experienced a cycle of inspiration and suppression, where their dreams would emerge only to be buried again by the routines and expectations of daily life. The poem became a lifeline, resonating with them and expressing their own feeling of not following their true original course, but instead a path prescribed by others.

The authors' journey to document their pursuit of their "buried dreams"

Ben Nemtin and his friends desired to create something significant together, but they didn't know what it was, until the message in Matthew Arnold's poem inspired them to pursue their buried dreams. They decided to make a documentary, forming a list of dreams as if they had unlimited resources, and invited others to share their dreams to help them come true.

Johnny, part of the group, was assigned to read "The Buried Life" in an English class, which became the emotional basis for their project. They received unexpected support through emails from people wanting to help them achieve their list items or needing help achieving their own dreams.

Their project gained traction, spreading from local to provincial to national news in Canada, which significantly expanded their scope. Their efforts led to various accomplishments such as making a TV show, playing basketball with Obama, having a beer with Prince Harry, writing a New York Times bestseller, and starting a production company.

The realization that the bucket list was a journey of self-discovery

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Counterarguments

  • The concept of a "buried life" may not be universal, as some cultures or individuals may prioritize collective goals or present responsibilities over personal dreams.
  • The prevalence of questioning one's purpose could be influenced by cultural and socioeconomic factors, not just generational changes or modern distractions.
  • The idea that aspirations are more buried today than in the past could be challenged by historical accounts of individuals who felt similarly constrained by the societal norms of their times.
  • The cycle of inspiration and suppression might be oversimplified, as people's motivations and barriers to achieving dreams can be complex and multifaceted.
  • The notion that a bucket list or similar project is a path to self-discovery may not resonate with everyone; some may find self-discovery through other means, such as introspection, spirituality, or community service.
  • The idea that living authentically is crucial to happiness could be seen as an oversimplification, as happiness is subjective and can be influenced by many factors beyond authenticity.
  • The emphasis on pursuing potential and dreams might overlook the v ...

Actionables

  • Start a 'Dreams Unearthed' journal where you write down one suppressed dream or aspiration each day for a month. This practice encourages you to reconnect with desires that may have been buried by daily life. For example, if you once dreamed of learning to paint, jot that down and reflect on what has been stopping you from pursuing it.
  • Create a 'Potential Progress' tracker where you set small, achievable steps toward a dream and mark your progress weekly. This could be as simple as reading a chapter of a book related to your dream, reaching out to a mentor, or saving a small amount of money towards your goal. Tracking progress visually can reinforce your commitment and provide motivation.
  • Organize a monthly 'Authenticity Circle' with friends or family ...

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The practical steps of creating a bucket list and taking action on it

Creating a bucket list is not just an act of whimsy—it's a serious endeavor toward achieving one's dreams. Ben Nemtin and Drew Birnie discuss practical steps for crafting such a list and turning aspirations into reality.

The importance of writing down one's goals and dreams

Categorizing dreams across different life domains

Ben Nemtin suggests leveraging a bucket list as a comprehensive map of one's holistic self. He advocates for categorizing goals into life areas such as creative endeavors, relationships, travel, health, professional milestones, and personal growth. Writing them down is crucial, as Nemtin points out; this act of documentation forces individuals to think about what they want independently of others' expectations and serves as a contract with oneself. Similarly, Birnie iterates the value in writing down even the small things, as it's not solely about the goal but also about the resulting interactions and relationships built towards achieving it; whether that's learning a backflip or setting sights on larger life quests.

Viewing the bucket list as a series of experiments, not just a to-do list

Nemtin views the bucket list as a series of experiments. The focus should be on exploring what resonates with personal feelings and interests, not just on completing tasks. Recognizing that aspirations evolve, he emphasizes the need for revisiting and revising the list as one grows. The process of trial and error is beneficial, and even if one fails at a goal, it provides valuable learning experiences or clarifies what is not worth repeating.

Building accountability and support structures

Sharing goals with an accountability partner

Nemtin and Birnie highlight that accountability forms a crucial element in the pursuit of goals. One effective method of building accountability is by sharing goals with an accountability partner or friend who can encourage you to take steps towards your dreams. Nemtin cites sharing a chapter a month when writing a book with a friend who acts as a critical reader—the feedback and deadlines creating a responsible framework that increased the chances of achieving goals by 77%.

Enlisting the help of others to achieve specific dreams

Enlisting the help of others turns out to be instrumental in fulfilling bucket list items. Nemtin points out that the only way he has crossed things off his list was through the help of others. It required sharing his goals openly and moving through the fear of judgment or rejection. He highlights that asking for help builds accountability and fosters support, and he advocates including family and friends in this process, for they provide a different level of understanding and encouragement.

Overcoming the fear of failure and judgment

Recognizing that other people are not as focused on us as we think

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Counterarguments

  • Writing down goals might not always be a practical step for everyone; some individuals may thrive with a more spontaneous or flexible approach to their aspirations.
  • Categorizing goals can sometimes lead to compartmentalization that may overlook the interconnectedness of different life domains.
  • Viewing a bucket list as a series of experiments could potentially diminish the commitment one feels towards achieving certain goals, as it may imply a lack of seriousness.
  • Constantly revisiting and revising a bucket list might lead to a lack of focus and continuity, which could hinder the achievement of long-term goals.
  • Sharing goals with an accountability partner does not guarantee success and may sometimes lead to undue pressure or a sense of failure if goals are not met.
  • Enlisting help from others can be beneficial, but it may also lead to over-reliance on external support, potentially undermining one's sense of autonomy and self-efficacy.
  • The belief that people are not as focused on us as we think might not always hold tru ...

Actionables

  • Create a goal visualization board by collecting images and quotes that represent your goals in each life area, and place it somewhere you'll see daily. This visual representation can serve as a daily reminder and inspiration, making your goals feel more tangible and keeping them at the forefront of your mind.
  • Develop a 'bucket list journal' where you not only list your goals but also write a brief scenario of what achieving that goal would look like and how it would make you feel. This practice can deepen your connection to your goals and help you understand the emotional drive behind them, which can be a powerful motivator.
  • Start a monthly 'fear-facing' challenge where you commit to d ...

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The role of accountability, social support, and overcoming fears in pursuing one's purpose

Understanding the power of accountability, social support, and overcoming fears is essential to successfully pursue one’s purpose, as Ben Nemtin and other contributors illustrate through personal experiences and insights.

The power of surrounding oneself with people who inspire and uplift

According to Nemtin and his colleagues, surrounding oneself with inspiring people is the biggest game-changer in the journey towards fulfilling one’s purpose. These individuals not only propel your personal journey but also help you make an impact on the world. By living authentically and following dreams, the group from the television show "The Buried Life" which featured the group's efforts to accomplish their list, has inspired viewers to pursue their own aspirations. Supporting examples include Brent's act of kindness and the profound affirmation the authors felt when helping him obtain a truck, emphasizing not only personal growth but also the powerful influence of social connections.

Recognizing the impact one can have on others by living authentically

The authentic pursuit of dreams can create a ripple effect, inspiring others to follow suit. Nemtin shares that doing what one loves can have the most significant impact on the world. Their own journey inspired musicians, athletes, creators, and others to excel in their fields. By sharing their personal experiences and taking decisive actions, individuals give others permission to acknowledge and pursue their dreams.

How the authors' journey inspired others to pursue their own dreams

The authors took steps towards their goals, which in turn motivated others to think about their capabilities and potential. The success of their project encouraged others to engage with their own dreams and aspirations, showing that inspiration through action is an important catalyst for change.

Leveraging emotions to fuel action and progress

Nemtin’s advice is to leverage fear as a sign that the endeavor is significant and should be pursued. Fear can stop people from acting on their dreams, but by embracing challenges and moving past them, one can take necessary action toward goals. Understanding and navigating emotions, such as fear and excitement, can be used to one's advantage.

Turning fear and resistance into motivating forces

Fear of pursuing goals is a meaningful barrier, but taking action can help overcome this fear. By recognizing the value of one's fears and using them as motivation, important steps can be taken towards realizing one's ambitions.

Understanding how mood and motivation follow from consistent action

Mood and motivation can improve following actions taken towards one's goals. This is likened to making small deposits in a compounding interest account, where consistent efforts l ...

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  • Ben Nemtin is a Canadian writer, speaker, and television personality known for his work on the MTV show "The Buried Life." The show followed Nemtin and his friends as they traveled across North America to complete a list of "100 things to do before you die" and help others achieve their dreams. Through their adventures, they aimed to inspire viewers to pursue their own goals and aspirations. Ben Nemtin often shares insights on the power of setting goals, overcoming fears, and the importance of social support in achieving personal fulfillment.
  • Leveraging fear as a motivator involves using the emotion of fear as a catalyst for action rather than allowing it to paralyze progress. By acknowledging fear and understanding its presence as a signal of significance, individuals can harness it to drive themselves towards their goals. This approach involves embracing challenges, moving past the fear, and taking necessary steps to pursue one's ambitions. Understanding fear as a natural response to stepping outside of one's comfort zone can help individuals transform it into a source of motivation and momentum.
  • The analogy of making small deposits in a compounding interest account means that consistent efforts and actions towards a goal can lead to significant progress over time, similar to how small investments grow exponentially with compound interest. Just like how money grows over time with compound interest, consistent actions towards a goal can result in substantial advancements and achievements. It emphasizes the power of consistency and persistence in achieving long-term success and progress. This analogy highlights the idea that even small, regular efforts can accumulate and lead to significant outcomes over time.
  • Focusing on actions that are intrinsically rewarding means prioritizing activities that bring personal satisfaction and fulfillment without seeking external validation or rewards. It involves engaging in tasks that align with your values, interests, and sense of purpose, leading to a deep sense of contentment and motivation. This approach emphasizes the importance of pursuing a ...

Actionables

  • Create a 'Dream Chaser' contact list on your phone to intentionally connect with people who inspire you. Add contacts who are actively pursuing their dreams and schedule regular check-ins or meet-ups to discuss progress, challenges, and insights. This keeps you surrounded by motivation and can lead to collaborative opportunities or mutual support.
  • Use a 'Fear Flip' journal to transform anxiety into action. Whenever you feel fear about pursuing a goal, write it down and then brainstorm actionable steps to face it. For example, if you're afraid of public speaking but dream of giving a TED Talk, your action steps might include joining a local Toastmasters club or practicing speeches in front of friends.
  • Start a 'Mood Momentum' tracker to log your daily actions and corresponding mood changes. Use a simple app or notebook to re ...

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