In this episode of The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck Podcast, Mark Manson and author Robert Greene explore the topic of finding one's true path in life. They discuss Greene's works – particularly "The 48 Laws of Power" – and its renewed popularity among Gen Z, who resonate with Greene's pragmatic perspectives on life's complexities.
The conversation delves into the gradual self-discovery process of uncovering one's innate strengths and passions to align with one's purpose. Greene and Manson also ponder the tensions between data-driven personal development and the importance of philosophical wisdom, self-awareness, and individuality. They advocate balancing scientific knowledge with insights from time-honored wisdom traditions.
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Greene attributes this spike in interest to his increased visibility on social media. Manson suggests Gen Z, grappling with complexity and cynicism toward superficial narratives, finds Greene's pragmatic perspectives resonant. Greene sees his books as offering younger people a grounded, realistic view on the harsher realities they may not have fully encountered.
Greene, who used to be virtually unrecognized in public, now gets noticed internationally, allowing him to sustain his career as a writer in today's digital landscape.
He advises reflecting on early passions, strengths, and forms of intelligence to identify one's inherent "grain." Aligning with this grain is key, Greene says.
Many get trapped making career decisions based on money or parents' expectations rather than inner drives, Greene notes. He counsels building on existing skills rather than drastic overhauls.
He argues big data alters rather than genuinely reflecting human nature, and that human experience is too complex for studies or algorithms to fully capture.
They emphasize self-awareness, intuition, embracing individuality, and highlight profound human insights from historical thinkers - elements they feel data-driven methods often lack.
Manson notes timeless wisdom traditions like Stoicism complemented his disillusionment with flawed psychological research. Greene cites deep understandings achieved through simple human interaction by past philosophers and authors.
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Robert Greene’s work, especially "The 48 Laws of Power," is experiencing a renewed surge of popularity, particularly among younger generations. This resurgence is playing a significant role in sustaining Greene's career as a writer.
Mark Manson points out that Gen Z is discovering Robert Greene’s work, contributing to a second wave of attention for his books. Greene attributes this renewed interest in part to social media, which has amplified his online presence. His work resonates with younger generations who find themselves navigating a chaotic and confusing world. The embedded cynicism of Gen Z, a generation that has grown up with social media, could be contributing to the appeal of Greene’s work—offering a more pragmatic view that cuts through the often superficial narratives found on these platforms.
Greene suggests that his books provide a "grounding" by addressing the harsher aspects of life, potentially resonating with a younger audience that may have been shielded from these realities. Although his work is sometimes seen as cynical, Greene sees it as realistic, a perspective that might be especially grounding for the younger generations seeking authenticity in the midst of social media superficiality.
Greene, who describes himself not as a cynic but as a romantic and naively optimistic person, sees his books as providing a balance of realistic views on life, offering younger readers a lens through which they can understand the "darker" aspects that they may not have fully encountered before.
Greene is surprised and describes the resurgence in his books’ popularity as insane. He cites that "The 48 Laws of Power" is now selling five times what it did two decades ago ...
Greene's career trajectory and the resurgence of interest in his work
Robert Greene and Mark Manson tackle the complex journey of discovering one's life task, highlighting the need for introspection, reflection on one's past, and the recognition of innate abilities and interests.
Greene speaks to the value of introspection and self-examination in uncovering one's true calling. He encourages looking back to one’s childhood and early years to uncover passions and strengths. He notes that many people focus on external and social activities, which can lead to unfamiliarity with introspection. Greene advocates for patience and suggests keeping a journal as part of the discovery process.
Greene stresses examining one's life to identify where they took the wrong turn, and to reflect on what truly excited them as a child, indicating their natural interests. He shared his own childhood obsession with words and a novel he wrote at the age of nine, underscoring the importance of early indicators.
Greene describes a variety of intelligence forms – mathematical, social, kinetic, and word intelligence – and the importance of discovering one's grain, which represents a dominant form of intelligence. Aligning with this inclination is crucial to discovering one’s true life task.
Greene asserts that finding one’s life task is not a sudden epiphany but a journey requiring patience. He shares his own career pivot upon realizing that journalism wasn't his true calling, serving as an example of iterative growth.
The process of finding one's true purpose and life task
Robert Greene and Mark Manson get into a deep conversation over the preferred methods and approaches to personal development, highlighting a growing divergence between scientific and wisdom-based perspectives.
Greene acknowledges that modern approaches have given us valuable insights into human behavior; however, he is skeptical about an over-reliance on these approaches for understanding the nuances of human experience.
Greene expresses skepticism about the effectiveness of big data and algorithms in understanding and influencing human behavior. He notes that rather than accurately reflecting human nature, big data tends to alter it, causing people to conform to what algorithms predict. Furthermore, he criticizes the idea that accumulation of data genuinely captures the complexity of human nature.
He argues that both the scientific method and algorithms can only go so far in capturing the complex human experience and often fail to recognize the subjective, individual nature of each person. He discusses the limitations of current psychological studies and specifically highlights how William James's work on willpower offers deeper insights than more recent research.
Greene and Manson advocate for a balanced approach that integrates both scientific knowledge and insights from philosophical and literary works.
Greene emphasizes the importance of self-awareness, intuition, and personal experimentation, rather than a simple adherence to data-driven "best practices." He points out the crucial role that one's understanding, gut feelings, and a personal approach to problem-solving play in the human experience.
Arguing against the sole reliance on science and big data, Greene stresses that true personal growth and fulfillment requires recognizing and embracing one’s individuality. He decries the conformist influence of AI and social media algorithms that tend to homogeni ...
The tension between scientific/psychological approaches and philosophical/wisdom-based approaches to personal development
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