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Self-Help Junkies, Stupid Experts, and the Worst Life Advice I've Ever Heard

By Mark Manson

In this episode of The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck Podcast, Mark Manson examines the pitfalls of self-improvement culture, drawing parallels between modern self-help practices and religious or cultish behaviors. He and his guest, Drew Birnie, discuss a study undermining the notion that expensive, expert-driven solutions are necessary for personal growth.

Manson critiques the compulsive pursuit of coaching, seminars, and rituals, suggesting that constant self-improvement can paradoxically become a form of avoidance. He proposes that finding balance and engaging directly with life, rather than through endless self-help rituals, may sometimes be a healthier approach. The hosts also explore the perspective that ancient wisdom and traditional practices may hold more value than contemporary self-help methods.

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The pitfalls and compulsive nature of self-improvement culture

Self-improvement can become an addiction or obsession

Mark Manson criticizes the self-help industry, observing individuals' tendency to compulsively spend large sums on coaching and seminars for incremental benefits. In California, he notes a cult-like pursuit of the next guru, workshop, or ritual, often at the expense of integrating previous lessons. Paradoxically, this drive to improve can become a form of avoidance.

The healthiest approach: simply "be"

Manson advocates for balance, suggesting that wellness may sometimes come from inactivity, as constant self-improvement rituals can themselves become avoidance. After extensive meditation, he concluded that directly engaging with life, rather than through rituals, might be healthier.

The parallels between self-improvement and religious/cultish behavior

Self-improvement shares similarities with religious practices

Manson humorously compares self-improvement practices to religious rituals. The gatherings and communities around self-improvement activities like yoga and meditation are likened to attending church. However, people deeply invested in self-improvement can become defensive when these parallels are pointed out, especially those who view their practices as entirely secular and science-based.

Ancient wisdom may hold more value than modern self-help

Manson introduces the perspective that ancient wisdom and traditional practices may be more valuable than contemporary self-help methods. He hints at irony in the pursuit of scientific validation for self-improvement, suggesting that science too can acquire religious-like significance.

The disconnect between expert interventions and real-world effectiveness

Experts fail to predict successful behavior change interventions

Drew Birnie and Manson discuss a study showing experts were no better than laypeople at predicting which interventions would increase gym attendance. Only 4 out of 54 tested interventions proved effective, and experts had a roughly 45% prediction success rate, worse than a coin flip.

Simple, low-tech interventions proved most effective

Basic interventions like text reminders and small incentives were among the most successful, undermining the notion that expensive, expert-driven solutions are necessary for personal growth. Manson respects ancient wisdom's longevity, contrasting it with fleeting contemporary findings.

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Counterarguments

  • Self-improvement efforts can be empowering and provide structure and direction to individuals who may otherwise feel lost or unmotivated.
  • The pursuit of self-improvement does not necessarily lead to avoidance; for many, it is a way to confront personal challenges and work towards overcoming them.
  • Engaging in self-improvement rituals can provide a sense of community and support that is beneficial for mental health and well-being.
  • Modern self-help methods are often based on recent psychological research and can offer new insights that complement ancient wisdom rather than detract from it.
  • Experts in behavior change may provide valuable insights and frameworks that laypeople are not aware of, even if predicting the success of interventions is challenging.
  • High-tech and expert-driven solutions can sometimes offer personalized and sophisticated approaches that simple interventions cannot, potentially leading to more significant and long-lasting behavior change for some individuals.

Actionables

  • You can create a "being" journal where you document moments of simply existing without the pressure to improve. Each day, take five minutes to write about a moment where you felt content or at peace, focusing on the sensory details and emotions of the experience rather than goals or achievements. This practice can help you appreciate the present and reduce the compulsion to constantly seek self-improvement.
  • Develop a habit of engaging in traditional practices like meditation or nature walks without any goal-oriented mindset. Choose one traditional practice, such as meditating for ten minutes or taking a quiet walk in a natural setting, and commit to doing it regularly, not as a means to improve but as a way to connect with ancient wisdom and enjoy the process itself.
  • Start using low-tech tools like sticky notes or calendar alerts as reminders for positive behaviors you want to maintain. Place sticky notes with affirmations or reminders in visible places around your home or work area, or set up calendar alerts to prompt you to take breaks, drink water, or express gratitude throughout the day, emphasizing consistency over complexity in fostering beneficial habits.

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The pitfalls and compulsive nature of self-improvement culture

Mark Manson and other speakers delve into the discussion of self-improvement culture, highlighting its potentially addictive and unhealthy nature, particularly as it is observed in West LA.

Self-improvement can become an addiction or obsession, rather than a healthy practice

The speakers express concern about the compulsivity of self-improvement activities. They observe that in places like California, there's a tendency for people to exhibit an unhealthy compulsion to engage in constant self-improvement. This drive for betterment can become detrimental to simply enjoying life.

Manson specifically criticizes the self-help industry, pointing out that individuals tend to spend extravagant amounts on coaching, seminars, and training for what might merely yield incremental improvement. This spending spree raises questions about the true value derived from these costly interventions compared to simpler, less expensive methods.

Cult-like self-improvement culture

Self-improvement can take on cult-like characteristics, with individuals in California relentlessly searching for the next guru, workshop, or ritual. This pursuit often comes at the expense of integrating the lessons learned from previous experiences. Manson expresses frustration at this aspect of the self-improvement culture which pushes people to make themselves and the world a better place, yet can come across as overbearing.

He notes the irony that the drive to improve can be a form of avoidance, with an abundance of new modalities meaning that people are continuously learning new things instead of living an improved life. Psychological improvement, Manson argues, sometimes involves letting go rather than actively working on oneself.

Manson describes social events in California that include self-improvement activities, indicating how deeply ingrained this culture is in daily life. He observes how even casual settings like dinners can become platforms for curated personal development experiences, rather than spaces for natural social interactions.

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Counterarguments

  • Self-improvement as a lifelong journey: Some might argue that self-improvement is a continuous process and that striving for betterment is a positive and natural part of human growth.
  • Economic benefits of the self-help industry: The self-help industry provides jobs and economic activity, and for many people, the services offered can lead to significant personal breakthroughs.
  • Personal autonomy in self-improvement: Individuals have the right to choose how they invest in their personal development, and what might seem excessive to one person could be perfectly reasonable to another based on their personal values and goals.
  • The value of external guidance: While self-improvement can become cult-like, the guidance of experts and mentors can be invaluable for those who lack direction or expertise in certain areas of their lives.
  • The importance of varied learning experiences: Engaging in different modalities of self-improvement can expose individuals to a wide range of perspectives and techniques, which can be beneficial for a well-rounded approach to personal growth.
  • Balance and moderation: Some might suggest that the issue is not with self-improvement culture itself ...

Actionables

  • Create a "self-improvement pause" calendar where you schedule regular intervals of no self-help activities to reflect on your current state of contentment. By marking one day each month as a no self-improvement day, you give yourself space to assess the value and impact of your self-improvement efforts without introducing new ones.
  • Develop a "real engagement" habit tracker to ensure you're balancing self-improvement with direct life experiences. Use a simple app or notebook to log hours spent engaging in direct life activities, like socializing, working on a hobby, or simply enjoying nature, aiming to match or exceed the time you spend on self-improvement practices.
  • Start a "wellness through simplicity" challenge with friends or fa ...

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The parallels between self-improvement and religious/cultish behavior

Mark Manson and Birnie delve into a discussion about the correlation between self-improvement and religious behavior, noting the similarity in rituals, communities, and belief systems.

The speakers see many self-improvement practices as having religious or faith-based underpinnings

Manson kicks off the conversation with a humorous take, suggesting that religion was the original self-help. He draws a comparison between exorcisms and contemporary self-improvement practices in California, joking that exorcisms might become the next big trend in that sphere.

The rituals and communities that form around self-improvement are pointed out to be reminiscent of religious practices. The regular gatherings and practices of self-improvement culture—such as yoga and meditation sessions—are likened to how one might attend church rituals.

People in the self-improvement space often resist acknowledging these parallels and become defensive when they are pointed out

Manson and Birnie notice that people who are deeply invested in self-improvement can become defensive when parallels to religious behavior are mentioned. This defensiveness, they speculate, might be particularly pronounced among those who believe their practices to be entirely secular and science-based.

Interestingly, Manson observes that religious people tend to acknowledge the similarities between religious practices and the self-help industry, while people who are secular are more likely to argue that their self-improvement routines are grounded in science, even when there's a lack of supporting research.

The speakers suggest that ancient wisdom and traditions may have more value than much of the modern self-help industry

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Counterarguments

  • Self-improvement practices can be distinct from religious rituals in their goals and methods, focusing on personal growth rather than spiritual salvation.
  • The scientific basis for many self-improvement techniques is supported by empirical research, such as the benefits of mindfulness and cognitive-behavioral strategies.
  • Defensiveness about the comparison to religion may stem from a desire to maintain a clear boundary between secular and spiritual domains, rather than a denial of any similarities.
  • The value of ancient wisdom is not inherently superior to modern approaches; each has its context, and modern self-help often integrates and updates traditional concepts with contemporary understanding.
  • The self-help industry includes a diverse range of practices, some of which are rigorously tested and evidence-based, rather than being uniformly unscientific or faith-based.
  • Acknowledging parallels does not necessarily diminish the value or effectiveness of self-improvement practices; it can enrich underst ...

Actionables

  • Explore the roots of your self-improvement practices by journaling about their origins and what they mean to you, which can reveal if they serve a purpose beyond the practical. For example, if you meditate daily, write about why you started, how it aligns with your beliefs, and whether it holds a deeper significance akin to a spiritual ritual.
  • Create a personal "wisdom library" by collecting quotes, stories, and teachings from various ancient traditions and compare them to modern self-help advice you follow. This can be as simple as starting a digital document or notebook where you jot down timeless insights as you come across them in books, podcasts, or conversations, and reflect on how they apply to your life today.
  • Engage in a "tradition swap" with friends or family members who have different beliefs, where you share and experien ...

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The disconnect between expert-driven interventions and their real-world effectiveness

Research raises questions about the effectiveness of expert-driven interventions within the field of psychology, indicating that experts and laypeople perform equally poorly at predicting successful behavior change strategies.

Experts and psychologists are no better than laypeople at predicting which interventions will successfully change behavior

Drew Birnie and Mark Manson delve into the surprising outcomes of a large-scale study on interventions aimed at increasing gym attendance. This study revealed that experts were no better at predicting successful interventions than laypeople. Out of 54 tested interventions, only four proved to be effective, and experts had a prediction success rate of about 45%, which was worse than a coin flip.

A large-scale study found that only 4 out of 54 behavioral interventions were effective at getting people to go to the gym more

Drew Birnie says, “It's only like four of these interventions worked out of the 54 interventions that they tried.” The results showed that experts had no advantage over the average person in guessing which strategies would encourage more gym visits.

This suggests a troubling lack of real understanding in psychology and behavioral science about what actually drives lasting change

The findings of the study led Birnie to comment on the apparent lack of understanding that experts have in what drives lasting behavior change. Manson criticizes the field of psychology and behavioral science for being 150 years in and still lacking a predictive success rate over 50%. These results suggest there is much to learn about effective behavior change interventions.

The most effective interventions tend to be quite simple and low-tech

Despite the array of potential interventions, simple and inexpensive methods, such as text message reminders and small monetary incentives, were found to be among the most effective.

Small nudges like text message reminders or small incentives were found to be more impactful than elaborate programs

Birnie highlights several simple interventions that were successful, such as bonuses for gym attendance after a missed session, providing larger incentives, and informing peop ...

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  • The comparison between the longevity of traditional insights and contemporary psychological findings highlights the enduring value of age-old wisdom compared to the potentially transient nature of modern research in psychology. It suggests that time-tested, simple strategies for personal development may hold more significance and reliability than newer, complex interventions. This comparison challenges the assumption that newer, expert-driven solutions are always superior to traditional, simpler approaches. It underscores the importance of recognizing the historical context and proven effectiveness of traditional insights alongside contemporary psychological research.
  • Psychology needs to reassess its approach to creating interventions due to the findings that experts and laypeople have similar success rates in predicting effective behavior change strategies. This challenges the traditional belief in the superio ...

Counterarguments

  • Experts may have a better understanding of the theoretical underpinnings of behavior change, even if their predictions in specific instances are not always accurate.
  • The study mentioned may have limitations in its design, sample size, or intervention selection that could affect the generalizability of its findings.
  • A 45% success rate in predicting effective interventions might still be significant if the complexity of human behavior and the novelty of the interventions are taken into account.
  • The effectiveness of simple interventions does not necessarily negate the value of more complex, expert-driven approaches in different contexts or for different behaviors.
  • The study's results might highlight the need for improved methodologies in psychology rather than a fundamental lack of understanding within the field.
  • The effectiveness of interventions can be context-dependent, and what works for gym attendance may not apply to other behaviors.
  • The longevity of traditional insights does not inherently make them more effective than modern psychological findings, as societal contexts and challen ...

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