In this episode of The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck Podcast, Mark Manson examines the pitfalls of self-improvement culture, drawing parallels between modern self-help practices and religious or cultish behaviors. He and his guest, Drew Birnie, discuss a study undermining the notion that expensive, expert-driven solutions are necessary for personal growth.
Manson critiques the compulsive pursuit of coaching, seminars, and rituals, suggesting that constant self-improvement can paradoxically become a form of avoidance. He proposes that finding balance and engaging directly with life, rather than through endless self-help rituals, may sometimes be a healthier approach. The hosts also explore the perspective that ancient wisdom and traditional practices may hold more value than contemporary self-help methods.
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Mark Manson criticizes the self-help industry, observing individuals' tendency to compulsively spend large sums on coaching and seminars for incremental benefits. In California, he notes a cult-like pursuit of the next guru, workshop, or ritual, often at the expense of integrating previous lessons. Paradoxically, this drive to improve can become a form of avoidance.
Manson advocates for balance, suggesting that wellness may sometimes come from inactivity, as constant self-improvement rituals can themselves become avoidance. After extensive meditation, he concluded that directly engaging with life, rather than through rituals, might be healthier.
Manson humorously compares self-improvement practices to religious rituals. The gatherings and communities around self-improvement activities like yoga and meditation are likened to attending church. However, people deeply invested in self-improvement can become defensive when these parallels are pointed out, especially those who view their practices as entirely secular and science-based.
Manson introduces the perspective that ancient wisdom and traditional practices may be more valuable than contemporary self-help methods. He hints at irony in the pursuit of scientific validation for self-improvement, suggesting that science too can acquire religious-like significance.
Drew Birnie and Manson discuss a study showing experts were no better than laypeople at predicting which interventions would increase gym attendance. Only 4 out of 54 tested interventions proved effective, and experts had a roughly 45% prediction success rate, worse than a coin flip.
Basic interventions like text reminders and small incentives were among the most successful, undermining the notion that expensive, expert-driven solutions are necessary for personal growth. Manson respects ancient wisdom's longevity, contrasting it with fleeting contemporary findings.
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Mark Manson and other speakers delve into the discussion of self-improvement culture, highlighting its potentially addictive and unhealthy nature, particularly as it is observed in West LA.
The speakers express concern about the compulsivity of self-improvement activities. They observe that in places like California, there's a tendency for people to exhibit an unhealthy compulsion to engage in constant self-improvement. This drive for betterment can become detrimental to simply enjoying life.
Manson specifically criticizes the self-help industry, pointing out that individuals tend to spend extravagant amounts on coaching, seminars, and training for what might merely yield incremental improvement. This spending spree raises questions about the true value derived from these costly interventions compared to simpler, less expensive methods.
Self-improvement can take on cult-like characteristics, with individuals in California relentlessly searching for the next guru, workshop, or ritual. This pursuit often comes at the expense of integrating the lessons learned from previous experiences. Manson expresses frustration at this aspect of the self-improvement culture which pushes people to make themselves and the world a better place, yet can come across as overbearing.
He notes the irony that the drive to improve can be a form of avoidance, with an abundance of new modalities meaning that people are continuously learning new things instead of living an improved life. Psychological improvement, Manson argues, sometimes involves letting go rather than actively working on oneself.
Manson describes social events in California that include self-improvement activities, indicating how deeply ingrained this culture is in daily life. He observes how even casual settings like dinners can become platforms for curated personal development experiences, rather than spaces for natural social interactions.
He recalls encounters wi ...
The pitfalls and compulsive nature of self-improvement culture
Mark Manson and Birnie delve into a discussion about the correlation between self-improvement and religious behavior, noting the similarity in rituals, communities, and belief systems.
Manson kicks off the conversation with a humorous take, suggesting that religion was the original self-help. He draws a comparison between exorcisms and contemporary self-improvement practices in California, joking that exorcisms might become the next big trend in that sphere.
The rituals and communities that form around self-improvement are pointed out to be reminiscent of religious practices. The regular gatherings and practices of self-improvement culture—such as yoga and meditation sessions—are likened to how one might attend church rituals.
Manson and Birnie notice that people who are deeply invested in self-improvement can become defensive when parallels to religious behavior are mentioned. This defensiveness, they speculate, might be particularly pronounced among those who believe their practices to be entirely secular and science-based.
Interestingly, Manson observes that religious people tend to acknowledge the similarities between religious practices and the self-help industry, while people who are secular are more likely to argue that their self-improvement routines are grounded in science, even when there's a lack of supporting research.
In the backdrop of this conversation, Manson ...
The parallels between self-improvement and religious/cultish behavior
Research raises questions about the effectiveness of expert-driven interventions within the field of psychology, indicating that experts and laypeople perform equally poorly at predicting successful behavior change strategies.
Drew Birnie and Mark Manson delve into the surprising outcomes of a large-scale study on interventions aimed at increasing gym attendance. This study revealed that experts were no better at predicting successful interventions than laypeople. Out of 54 tested interventions, only four proved to be effective, and experts had a prediction success rate of about 45%, which was worse than a coin flip.
Drew Birnie says, “It's only like four of these interventions worked out of the 54 interventions that they tried.” The results showed that experts had no advantage over the average person in guessing which strategies would encourage more gym visits.
The findings of the study led Birnie to comment on the apparent lack of understanding that experts have in what drives lasting behavior change. Manson criticizes the field of psychology and behavioral science for being 150 years in and still lacking a predictive success rate over 50%. These results suggest there is much to learn about effective behavior change interventions.
Despite the array of potential interventions, simple and inexpensive methods, such as text message reminders and small monetary incentives, were found to be among the most effective.
Birnie highlights several simple interventions that were successful, such as bonuses for gym attendance after a missed session, providing larger incentives, and informing peop ...
The disconnect between expert-driven interventions and their real-world effectiveness
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