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Meatloaf

By Deb Perelman & J. Kenji López-Alt (therecipewithkenjianddeb@gmail.com)

In this episode of The Recipe with Kenji and Deb, the hosts delve into the origins and evolution of meatloaf, tracing its history from ancient Roman patties to its surge in popularity during the Great Depression. They discuss the key ingredients and techniques involved in creating the perfect meatloaf, exploring variations with different meats, binders, mix-ins, and preparation methods.

From shaping and baking to pairings, sandwiches, and reheating leftovers, the episode covers the many ways to enjoy meatloaf's delectable flavors. While reviewing tips for achieving optimal textures and flavors, the hosts offer insights into transforming this humble dish into a memorable culinary experience.

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Meatloaf History and Evolution

The ancient roots of meatloaf can be traced to Roman chopped meat patties made with bread and wine. German immigrants introduced Hamburg steaks to America, influencing meatloaf's development. Meatloaf's popularity surged during the Great Depression as a way to stretch limited meat supplies. Meat grinders and canned goods further shaped meatloaf into the dish familiar today.

Meatloaf Ingredients and Preparation

Ground meat

Perelman used a beef and pork blend, while mentioning turkey as an option. Different meats can customize meatloaf's flavor.

Binders

Breadcrumbs, eggs, broth, and dairy act as binders. Kenji López-Alt prefers breadcrumbs and broth to maintain a clean meat taste. Gelatin can help with moisture retention.

Mix-ins

Perelman pulverizes onions, carrots, and parsley to blend into the meat. Sautéing these vegetables first avoids raw flavors. Anchovies, soy sauce, and Marmite add flavor complexity.

Shaping

Baking freeform allows caramelization, while loaf pans yield a neater shape. Muffin tins offer a single-serving option.

Meatloaf Enjoyment

Pairings

Mashed potatoes are a classic side, but rice, noodles, or stuffing also pair well. Perelman recommends rich brown butter mashed potatoes.

Sandwiches and other formats

Griddling meatloaf adds desired crispness for sandwiches. Waffling works well if the meatloaf isn't too crumbly.

Leftovers

Cold or pan-fried until crispy, leftover meatloaf is considered superior the next day.

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  • Hamburg steaks are patties of ground beef that gained popularity in the 19th century, particularly in the United States. They are considered a precursor to the modern hamburger, as vendors began serving them between slices of bread, leading to the creation of the hamburger sandwich. The Hamburg steak originated from Germany and was widely adopted in America, becoming a common dish in restaurants, especially in New York. It is related to Salisbury steaks, another dish made with ground beef.
  • Kenji López-Alt is an American chef and food writer known for applying scientific principles to cooking. He gained fame through his book "The Food Lab" and his work on popular American recipes. López-Alt also co-founded a restaurant and has authored several successful cookbooks.
  • Gelatin is a protein derived from collagen found in animal bones and connective tissues. When added to meatloaf, gelatin helps retain moisture during cooking, preventing the dish from becoming dry. It acts as a binder, holding the ingredients together and contributing to a juicy texture in the final dish. Gelatin is a common ingredient used in various recipes to improve texture and moisture retention.
  • Marmite is a British savory spread made from yeast extract, known for its strong, salty flavor and distinctive aroma. It is rich in B vitamins and is often spread thinly on toast. The taste of Marmite is famously polarizing, with people either loving it or hating it. The name "Marmite" is also used to describe a type of cooking pot in French.
  • Waffling meatloaf involves cooking or reheating meatloaf in a waffle iron, creating a crispy exterior and unique texture. This method is used to give leftover meatloaf a new twist and enhance its taste and presentation. Waffling can transform traditional meatloaf into individual portions with a crispy crust, perfect for sandwiches or standalone servings. It's a creative way to repurpose leftovers and add a fun twist to a classic dish.

Counterarguments

  • The connection between Roman chopped meat patties and modern meatloaf may be overstated, as many cultures have had some form of ground meat mixed with other ingredients, and it's difficult to draw a direct line of culinary evolution.
  • While German immigrants did introduce Hamburg steaks, which may have influenced meatloaf, attributing the development of meatloaf to a single source overlooks the contributions of other immigrant groups and culinary traditions.
  • The assertion that meatloaf's popularity surged during the Great Depression as a way to stretch meat supplies could be nuanced by acknowledging that many dishes aimed at stretching food resources became popular during this time, not just meatloaf.
  • The role of meat grinders and canned goods in shaping modern meatloaf could be complemented by mentioning other technological and industrial advancements that influenced its preparation and ingredients.
  • While ground meat is a key ingredient, the text does not address the use of alternative proteins like lentils or chickpeas in vegetarian versions of meatloaf.
  • The use of gelatin as a binder in meatloaf might not be suitable for all dietary preferences, such as vegetarian or kosher diets, and alternatives like agar-agar could be mentioned.
  • The recommendation to sauté vegetables before adding them to meatloaf to avoid raw flavors might not be universally agreed upon, as some cooks may prefer the texture or flavor of raw vegetables in the mix.
  • The suggestion that meatloaf should be shaped freeform for caramelization or in loaf pans for neatness does not consider that some people may prefer the consistency and texture provided by cooking in a loaf pan, regardless of shape.
  • The pairing of meatloaf with mashed potatoes, rice, noodles, or stuffing is a matter of personal preference, and other sides like roasted vegetables or salads could also complement the dish well.
  • The recommendation for rich brown butter mashed potatoes as a side might not appeal to those looking for healthier or lighter options.
  • The idea that griddling meatloaf adds desired crispness for sandwiches assumes that all diners prefer a crispy texture, which may not be the case.
  • Waffling meatloaf as a good option if it isn't too crumbly could be challenged by the fact that not everyone has a waffle iron or may not find this method practical.
  • The claim that leftover meatloaf is often considered superior the next day is subjective and may not hold true for all individuals, as some may prefer the taste and texture of freshly baked meatloaf.

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Meatloaf History and Evolution

The history of meatloaf reveals its long-standing place in cuisine, evolving from ancient recipes to a Depression-era staple, and influenced by changing cooking technology.

Early meat patties and loaves

Roman-era chopped meat patties with bread and wine

The earliest known recipes for meatloaf go back to the Roman times, documented in a Roman cookbook called Apicius. This collection from the 4th or 5th century AD details a dish composed of chopped meat mixed with bread and wine – a primitive version of the meatloaf we know today. The Romans also had an affinity for unique dishes; some of the era's odder dishes involved ingredients like stuffed mice.

German Hamburg steaks influencing American meatloaf

In America, German immigrants had a profound impact on the meatloaf we recognize. The Pennsylvania Dutch, who had German roots, were particularly influential, and the classic American meatloaf is thought to have evolved from the traditional German Hamburg steak—a reflection of this cultural heritage.

Great Depression popularizing meatloaf for stretching meat

The popularity of meatloaf soared during the economic downturn of the Great Depression in 1929. Families were forced to find inventive ways to stretch their food budgets. Meatloaf became a practical solution, allowing a small amount of meat to feed more people by bulking ...

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  • The Roman cookbook Apicius is one of the oldest surviving collections of recipes from ancient Rome, believed to have been compiled in the late 4th or early 5th century AD. It is attributed to a gourmet named Apicius, although it is more of a compilation of recipes rather than authored by a single individual. The cookbook provides insights into the culinary practices of the Roman Empire, including various dishes and cooking techniques used during that time. Apicius includes recipes for a wide range of dishes, offering a glimpse into the diverse and sophisticated culinary culture of ancient Rome.
  • German Hamburg steaks were a precursor to the American meatloaf, with German immigrants bringing their culinary traditions to the United States. The Hamburg steak was a dish made from minced beef, often seasoned and shaped into patties. Over time, this dish evolved in America, influenced by the availability of ingredients and the need to stretch meat during the Great Depression, eventually transforming into the classic American meatloaf we know today.
  • The Pennsylvania Dutch are a cultural group in the United States with German heritage, not Dutch as the name might suggest. They are descendants of German-speaking immigrants who settled in Pennsylvania in the 17th and 18th centuries. Their traditions, including food, language, and customs, reflect their German roots. The Pennsylvania Dutch community has had a significant influence on American cuisine, with dishes like meatloaf evolving from traditional German recipes brought over by these immigrants.
  • During the Great Depression, extenders like grains, breads, oats, and canned soups were added to meatloaf to stretch the meat further and make it more filling. These ingredients helped make the dish more economical and allowed families to make the most of limited resources during tough times. Grains and breads added bulk and texture, oats acted as a binder, and canned soups provided flavor and moisture to the meatloaf mixture. This practice of using extenders became popular as a way to create a satisfying meal with less meat.
  • Meat grinders played a significant role in shaping meatloaf recipes by making it easier to grind various meats and combine them with other ingredients. The availability of meat grinders allowed for more control ...

Counterarguments

  • The assertion that meatloaf originated from Roman-era chopped meat patties could be challenged by noting that other cultures may have had similar dishes that were not documented as thoroughly as the Roman Apicius, thus the true origins could be more diverse and not solely attributed to Roman cuisine.
  • While German Hamburg steaks certainly influenced American meatloaf, it's possible that other immigrant cuisines also played a role in its development, which the text does not acknowledge.
  • The popularity of meatloaf during the Great Depression might be overstated; while it was a practical dish, other dishes and food strategies were also employed to stretch meat supplies that are not mentioned.
  • The use of extenders like grains, bread, oats, and canned soups in meatloaf is presented as a response to the Great Depression, but such practices could have been common in various cultures prior to this period as a way to make dishes more filling and nutritious.
  • The impact of meat grinders and canned goods on meatloaf recipes is highlighted, ...

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Meatloaf Ingredients and Preparation

Deb Perelman and J. Kenji López-Alt delve into the intricacies of making the perfect meatloaf, from selecting the right blend of meats to the importance of proper mix-ins and shaping techniques.

Ground meat

Beef, pork, turkey, and blends

Perelman used a pork and beef mix for her meatloaf, noting a preference for combining one and a quarter pounds of beef and three-quarters of a pound of pork, without specifying the exact percentages. The chef also mentions grinding up various meat scraps from different animals to use in a family meal. Additionally, Perelman brings up a turkey meatloaf recipe, signaling that different types of meat can be used to customize the dish.

Binders

The role of binders is crucial in meatloaf, balancing moisture and providing structure. Perelman includes panko breadcrumbs and chicken broth in her recipe but opts out of using dairy. Kenji López-Alt notes that most of the moisture should come from breadcrumbs and broth, emphasizing a preference for a clean meat flavor. Discussions around binders suggest that adding elements like breadcrumbs and eggs can prevent the meat from becoming overly dense and tough. Another unusual binding ingredient mentioned is gelatin, which contributes to the meatloaf's moisture retention and forgiving nature.

Mix-ins

Onions, carrots, parsley and more

When it comes to mix-ins, Perelman suggests pulverizing vegetables such as onions, carrots, and parsley in a food processor to incorporate them into meatloaf without leaving chunky bits. Both Perelman and López-Alt underscore the importance of sautéing these vegetables to avoid the taste and texture of raw, uncooked veggies. The recipe also featur ...

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  • The recipe mentions using a mix of beef and pork for the meatloaf but does not provide specific percentages for each meat type. This lack of detail leaves the exact ratio of beef to pork open to interpretation based on personal preference. The flexibility in meat ratios allows for customization based on individual taste preferences and availability of ingredients. The recipe encourages experimentation with different meat blends to achieve desired flavors and textures.
  • Gelatin is sometimes used as a binding agent in meatloaf to help retain moisture and improve texture. It dissolves during cooking, contributing to the juiciness of the meatloaf. This ingredient can make the meatloaf more forgiving if slightly overcooked. Gelatin is not a traditional meatloaf ingredient but can be a useful addition for those looking to enhance moisture retention.
  • Pulverizing vegetables in a food processor involves chopping them finely to almost a paste-like consistency. This technique helps incorporate the vegetables smoothly into the meatloaf mixture, ensuring even distribution of flavors without distinct chunks. By pulverizing the vegetables, you enhance the overall texture of the meatloaf and prevent any noticeable vegetable pieces in the final dish. This method also helps the vegetables blend seamlessly with the ground meat, contributing to a cohesive and well-balanced meatloaf.
  • Sautéing vegetables before adding them to meatloaf helps to soften and enhance their flavors, ensuring they are cooked through and meld well with the meat mixture. This process also removes any raw taste and texture from the vegetables, making them more palatable in the final dish. Sautéing vegetables before incorporating them into meatloaf is a common culinary technique used to improve the overall taste and texture of the dish.
  • The use of unconventional mix-ins like anchovies, soy sauce, and Marmite in meatloaf recipes adds depth of flavor and umami richness to the dish. Anchovies are often used to provide a savory, salty kick, while soy sauce contributes a savory and slightly sweet note. Marmite, a concentrated yeast extract, imparts a unique umami flavor that enhances the overall taste profile of the meatloaf. These ingredients can ele ...

Counterarguments

  • While Perelman uses a mix of pork and beef, some might argue that using a single type of meat, like all beef, can still result in a flavorful meatloaf and simplifies the recipe.
  • Although binders are crucial, there is debate over the best types; for instance, some cooks prefer using oatmeal or cracker crumbs instead of breadcrumbs for different textures or dietary reasons.
  • The assertion that most moisture should come from breadcrumbs and broth could be contested by those who believe that the fat content in the meat itself should be the primary source of moisture.
  • The idea that gelatin contributes to moisture retention might be challenged by those who prefer to avoid animal-derived products or who believe that proper cooking techniques alone should suffice to retain moisture.
  • The recommendation to pulverize vegetables could be countered by those who prefer the texture and appearance of visible, chunky vegetables in their meatloaf.
  • Some might argue against sautéing vegetables, suggesting that the slow cooking process of the meatloaf will sufficiently soften and cook the vegetables.
  • The use of unconventional mix-ins like anchovies, soy sauce, and Marmite might not be to everyone's taste, and some might argue for a more trad ...

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Meatloaf Enjoyment

Deb Perelman and J. Kenji López-Alt delve into the various ways to savor meatloaf, discussing the perfect sides, how to make the most of leftovers, and the joy of crisping meatloaf for sandwiches.

Pairings

Mashed potatoes, rice, noodles, stuffing

Perelman and López-Alt discuss the necessity of pairing meatloaf with the right side dish, particularly noting that mashed potatoes are commonly served alongside meatloaf. In their conversation, noodles and stuffing arise as alternative pairings. Though López-Alt ended up having his meatloaf with stuffing due to a lack of mashed potatoes, he also considered buttered noodles as a viable option.

Brown butter mashed potatoes

Perelman specially recommends brown butter mashed potatoes for their nutty complexity and flavor, which enhances the regular mashed potatoes experience. This recommendation comes from her first book, where she shares the recipe.

Sandwiches and other formats

Diner griddle for crisping

While the conversation doesn't focus extensively on sandwiches or other formats, López-Alt touches on the concept of a meatloaf sandwich, specifically highlighting the expectation for a bit of crispiness on the edges when it's served in a sandwich, just like one might find it at a diner. He also mentions the idea of waffling a meatloaf sandwich, which works particularly well if the meatloaf has a breadier consistency and isn't too crumbly.

Perelman adds to the sandwich discussion, referring to a meatloaf sandwich as the classic, qu ...

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  • J. Kenji López-Alt is an American chef and food writer known for his scientific approach to cooking and popular cookbook "The Food Lab: Better Home Cooking Through Science." He is recognized for his contributions to explaining the science behind cooking and improving traditional recipes. López-Alt co-founded a restaurant and has authored several successful books on cooking techniques and recipes.
  • Brown butter mashed potatoes are a variation of traditional mashed potatoes where butter is cooked until it turns brown, giving it a nutty flavor and aroma. This technique adds depth and richness to the mashed potatoes, elevating the dish beyond the usual creamy texture. The process involves heating butter until it browns, which intensifies its flavor profile, before incorporating it into the mashed potatoes. Brown butter mashed potatoes are often considered a gourmet twist on the classic side dish, offering a more complex and sophisticated taste.
  • Diner-style preparation typically involves cooking food in a way that mimics the style of dishes commonly found in diners, which are casual eateries known for their comfort food offerings. In the context of meatloaf, a diner-style preparation would involve serving the meatloaf with a bit of crispiness on the edges, similar to how it might be presented in a diner setting. This method aims to enhance ...

Counterarguments

  • While mashed potatoes, rice, noodles, and stuffing are classic pairings, some might argue that lighter sides such as steamed vegetables or a fresh salad could balance the heaviness of meatloaf, offering a contrast in texture and flavor.
  • Brown butter mashed potatoes might not be suitable for everyone, especially those with dietary restrictions or preferences that limit butter consumption, such as vegans or those who are lactose intolerant.
  • The idea of a meatloaf sandwich, particularly with crispy edges, might not appeal to everyone. Some might prefer their meatloaf in a more traditional way, without the texture contrast or additional preparation.
  • Describing a meatloaf sandwich as the classic handheld way to enjoy meatloaf could be seen as culturally specific. In some cultures or regions, meatloaf might traditionally be served in different forms or not be a common dish at all.
  • The preference for meatloaf leftovers to be served cold or fried until crispy is subjective. Some individuals might prefer their leftovers simply reheated in a microwave or oven to maintain the origina ...

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