In this episode of The Peter Attia Drive, BJ Miller, M.D. and Bridget Sumser, L.C.S.W. discuss what happens during the dying process and how the healthcare system approaches end-of-life care. They explain the differences between palliative care and hospice services, while addressing the current limitations in home hospice care and the challenges families face when caring for dying loved ones.
The conversation explores how suffering extends beyond physical pain to include emotional and spiritual aspects of death. Miller and Sumser share insights from their work with dying patients, including common regrets about relationships and unexpressed emotions. They describe how accepting mortality and finding meaning in simple experiences can help people live more fulfilling lives, focusing on emotional connections rather than material accomplishments.
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In this podcast segment, BJ Miller, Peter Attia, and Bridget Sumser explore the physical and emotional aspects of dying. Miller explains that as death approaches, the body undergoes a natural shutdown process, with organ systems ceasing to function in a non-linear pattern. This often includes altered mental states and delirium, which Miller emphasizes should be carefully understood by families to avoid misinterpreting patients' behaviors.
The discussion clarifies the distinction between palliative care and hospice services. While palliative care focuses on quality of life alongside other treatments, hospice specifically provides comfort care in the final months of life. Sumser emphasizes that quality of life is individually defined, with care tailored to each person's needs.
The experts highlight significant challenges in the healthcare system, particularly in home hospice care. Miller and Sumser point out that families often bear a heavy burden due to limited support and high costs. They also note that many patients enter hospice too late, partly due to cultural aversion to mortality discussions.
Miller suggests that suffering extends beyond physical pain, encompassing threats to identity and sense of reality. Sumser adds that once physical symptoms are managed, the focus shifts to addressing emotional, existential, and spiritual needs. Both experts emphasize the importance of self-reflection and awareness in facing death.
The discussion reveals how connection to self, environment, and others proves vital in end-of-life experiences. Miller notes that accepting uncertainty and learning to let go are crucial elements in preparing for a peaceful death.
According to Miller, dying patients often express regrets about not being true to themselves or their relationships, rather than lamenting unaccomplished tasks. Common regrets include unexpressed love and unsought forgiveness.
Sumser emphasizes that meaning can be found in simple experiences, such as watching the moon from one's bed. Miller adds that accepting fear and regret helps people live more present lives, steering away from materialism toward emotional and relational growth.
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The physiological and psychological landscape of dying is explored in this podcast segment, as BJ Miller, Peter Attia, and Bridget Sumser discuss the body's natural shutdown in the face of death and the complexities of the emotional experience associated with dying.
BJ Miller articulates the physiological changes that happen as the body prepares to die, emphasizing this is a natural process. He mentions that intervention often occurs during the natural shutdown of the body, a pathway shared by various causes of death such as cancer, heart disease, and neurodegenerative diseases. Miller notes that this includes the organ systems shutting down in a non-linear pattern, with kidneys ceasing to function, prompting a buildup of toxic metabolites leading to reduced urine output.
As the physiological body systems shut down, the resulting altered mental states, including delirium, need careful attention. Miller points out the commonality of such mental status changes toward the end of life, where confusion and disorientation are typical. Delirium, with hyperactive and hypoactive variants, can often be overlooked, especially in its quieter hypoactive form. Families and loved ones are urged to recognize delirium to avoid misinterpreting a patient's words or behavior. This altered consciousness is managed with careful treatment in both hospice and ICU settings.
Peter Attia questions how connected and cognizant patients can remain during their final days, given symptom constraints, medication load, and states of delirium. Bridget Sumser adds that connection can still occur, such as through storytelling or physical touch, even when ...
Dying Process and Experience: Physiological and Emotional Changes
The importance of palliative and hospice care, and the systemic challenges these services face within the healthcare system, come to light through conversations with experts BJ Miller, Bridget Sumser, and Peter Attia.
Peter Attia and Bridget Sumser discuss distinguishing between palliative care and hospice, with palliative care focusing on quality of life and hospice providing end-of-life comfort.
Palliative care is a medical specialty aimed at patients with a serious illness, focusing on symptom treatment and quality of life improvement. It can be provided alongside other therapies without the immediate prospect of death. In contrast, hospice is a subset of palliative care, typically reserved for the final months of life where curative treatments are no longer pursued. Palliative care, seen as "whole person care," addresses a variety of needs from pain management to emotional support. Bridget Sumser stresses that quality of life is defined by the individual and that palliative care is designed to meet each person's unique needs.
Misconceptions about palliative care often cause patients and families to delay seeking services. Many equate it with giving up on treatment or preparing for imminent death. However, once the true nature of palliative care is understood, its value is typically recognized. BJ Miller underlines the importance of changing terms like "DNR" to "A&D" to focus on the care provided rather than what is not being done. These misunderstandings could contribute to underutilization of palliative and hospice care, despite their valuable focus on the quality of life.
Home hospice care, where expert teams offer intermittent support, places a significant burden on families due to the minimal availability of full-time in-home support and the costliness of out-of-pocket care. Many patients have a preference to die at home, but the reality of care at home can be burdensome and may lead to family burnout.
There's a critical opportunity for earlier engagement around mortality conversations that is often missed in the healthcare system. BJ Miller mentions a movement to introduce th ...
Palliative and Hospice Care in End-of-life and Healthcare System Limitations
The discussion with BJ Miller and Bridget Sumser focuses on the nature of suffering and the importance of emotional and spiritual awareness in facing death.
The conversation highlights that suffering encompasses much more than physical discomfort.
BJ Miller suggests that modern life has potentially induced more awareness of pain by providing solutions for discomfort, contrasting this to the past when people may have lived closer to pain and death. Sumser touches on the emotional and existential challenges that patients face when ill, not just physical pain. Suffering threatens one's identity and sense of reality. This suffering can stem from various sources, such as delirium or the mourning of the impending loss of life, which impacts one’s sense of self. Sumser discusses patients' ability to adapt, even in dire circumstances like Alzheimer's, suggesting that outcomes may not be as dreadful as anticipated.
The importance of emotional and relational experiences at the end of life, especially for spouses or care partners, is emphasized. Miller notes the adaptability of younger individuals to their impending death—a reflection of how suffering impacts self and expectations. The role of palliative care in managing symptoms is acknowledged, yet Sumser and Miller indicate that suffering involves more than symptom relief; it includes emotional, existential, and spiritual dimensions.
A deeper understanding and acceptance of one's condition can help ease the end-of-life transition.
Sumser and Miller suggest that Western individualistic approaches to suffering might be in conflict with a wider perspective that includes the family or support system. Sumser describes the ability to address suffering related to patients' spiritual and existential worries once physical symptoms are managed. Sumser and Miller see the "real work" in care to begin once physical comfort allows for the addressing of emotional, existential, and spiritual needs. They argue that this deeper work drastically influences the experience of suffering. Sumser speaks about the value of staying curious and receptive, emphasizing the development of self-reflection and awareness to face reality and fears. They recommend confronting one’s fears, regrets, and beliefs to allow for a more peaceful death.
Sumser and Miller discuss the importance of connection to self, environment, and others as v ...
Suffering's Nature and the Role of Emotional and Spiritual Awareness In Facing Death
BJ Miller, Bridget Sumser, and Peter Attia discuss end-of-life regrets, life lessons, and how facing mortality changes perspectives on what's important.
The conversation reveals that common regrets and insights from the dying focus on emotional fulfilment rather than unaccomplished tasks.
BJ Miller states that common regrets shared by dying people often pertain to not allowing themselves to feel or be true to what they felt. These regrets are due to a separation between themselves and their true feelings or between themselves and loved ones, often due to shame. Miller observes that acknowledgments of feelings towards the end can defang fear and allow for reconciliation.
The insights from those nearing the end of life include regrets over not expressing love or seeking forgiveness. Miller suggests that hindsight magnifies the artificial wedges placed between individuals and others, highlighting missed opportunities for connection and reconciliation. Emphasizing the importance of emotional expressions like love, forgiveness, and gratitude, Miller indicates these sentiments transcend cultural differences and remain significant for those facing mortality.
Dying patients offer profound insights about embracing uncertainty and prioritizing emotional, spiritual, and relational aspects over material accomplishments.
By embracing mortality and accepting the uncertainties of life, people can become present and honest. BJ Miller’s near-death experience taught him the importance of being in the moment. Similarly, Bridget Sumser stresses the significance of focusing on valuable experiences rather than avoiding unwanted interventions. Sumser speaks about adapting one's expectations under new circumstances to find satisfaction, highlighting that meaning can be found in simple experiences, like observing the moon from one's bed.
Miller and Sumser both emphasize that dying brings into focus the importance of emotional, spiritual, and relational concerns. For instance, in crises, patients often prioritize being emotionally present and maintaining relationships, such as fulfilling parental roles, over material achievements. Conversations about death guide individuals to focus on reconciliation and emotional experiences, and not causing suffering. Principles from Buddhism around meditation and peace ...
Lessons and Insights From Dying Patients: Common Regrets and Life Perspectives
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