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#337 - Insulin resistance masterclass: The full body impact of metabolic dysfunction and prevention, diagnosis, and treatment | Ralph DeFronzo, M.D.

By Peter Attia, MD

In this episode of The Peter Attia Drive, Ralph DeFronzo provides a masterclass on insulin resistance, examining its physiological mechanisms across multiple organs and the complex interplay between insulin resistance and beta cell dysfunction in the development of type 2 diabetes.

DeFronzo delves into cutting-edge research on the molecular pathways underlying insulin resistance, as well as the genetic and environmental factors that can predispose individuals to metabolic dysfunction. He also discusses the pathophysiology of type 2 diabetes, highlighting the "ominous octet" of contributing factors. The episode offers insights into pharmacological treatment strategies, including the potential benefits and limitations of various drug combinations and older, more affordable medications.

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Mechanisms and Diagnosis of [restricted term] Resistance

[restricted term] Resistance Impacts Multiple Organs

[restricted term] resistance disturbs various organs like the liver, muscles, and adipose tissue's ability to properly respond to [restricted term]. Ralph DeFronzo notes that the euglycemic clamp technique is the gold standard for quantifying tissue-specific [restricted term] resistance. The clamp shows how glucose partitioning differs across tissues with varying [restricted term] sensitivities.

Defective [restricted term] Signaling Pathways Cause Resistance

Disruptions in [restricted term] signaling pathways are the key driver of [restricted term] resistance. DeFronzo points to defects in molecules like IRS-1 and the GLUT4 transporter as potential culprits, especially in muscle cells. Additionally, lipid accumulation and mitochondrial dysfunction impair [restricted term] signaling, worsening resistance.

Pathophysiology of Type 2 Diabetes

Roles of [restricted term] Resistance, Beta Cell Dysfunction

The "ominous octet" describes eight factors contributing to type 2 diabetes, including [restricted term] resistance in muscle/liver, beta cell failure, adipose tissue lipotoxicity, and defects in renal glucose transporters and protein metabolism. DeFronzo emphasizes that [restricted term] resistance in key tissues and impaired beta cell function are central to diabetes progression.

Genetic Predisposition Plays a Role

While extensive studies have struggled to pinpoint definitive genetic causes, the heterogeneous nature of type 2 diabetes suggests multiple genes are involved. Lean individuals with familial diabetes point to genetic defects in [restricted term] signaling. Ethnic groups like Hispanics show higher diabetes rates due to genetic enrichment.

Pharmacological Treatment of Type 2 Diabetes

Combination Therapy Is More Effective

DeFronzo advocates for starting treatment with combination therapy like [restricted term] plus GLP-1 agonists, PPAR-gamma agonists, and SGLT2 inhibitors. His studies show this "triple therapy" improves [restricted term] sensitivity, beta cell function, and glycemic control better than the typical "treat-to-failure" approach.

Older, Cheaper Drugs Have Benefits But Barriers

While affordable options like [restricted term] and [restricted term] are effective, misconceptions about side effects limit their use. [restricted term] is the only true [restricted term] sensitizer but faces weight gain concerns. Newer drugs like GLP-1 agonists are potent but costly.

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  • The euglycemic clamp technique, while considered the gold standard, is invasive and not practical for routine clinical use; alternative methods like HOMA-IR are more commonly used despite being less precise.
  • While defects in [restricted term] signaling pathways are a key driver of [restricted term] resistance, it's an oversimplification to not consider the complex interplay with other factors such as inflammation, endocrine disruptors, and gut microbiota.
  • The role of IRS-1 and GLUT4 in [restricted term] resistance is well-established, but focusing solely on these molecules may overlook other contributing factors such as inflammation or endocrine disruptors.
  • The "ominous octet" is a useful framework, but it may not encompass all the factors involved in the pathophysiology of type 2 diabetes, such as the role of the brain and gut microbiota.
  • While genetic predisposition is important, environmental and lifestyle factors often have a more significant impact on the development of type 2 diabetes.
  • The effectiveness of combination therapy can vary among individuals, and some patients may respond well to monotherapy or other treatment strategies.
  • The cost-effectiveness of newer drugs like GLP-1 agonists should be considered, as they may offer better long-term outcomes despite higher initial costs.
  • The side effects of drugs like [restricted term] are real concerns for some patients, and the benefits must be weighed against the risks on an individual basis.
  • The characterization of [restricted term] as the only true [restricted term] sensitizer may not acknowledge the nuanced effects of other drugs that also improve [restricted term] sensitivity through different mechanisms.

Actionables

  • You can monitor your dietary patterns to identify foods that may contribute to [restricted term] resistance and adjust your diet accordingly. Start a food diary to track what you eat and how it affects your blood sugar levels. For example, if you notice that high-sugar snacks cause a spike in your blood sugar, consider replacing them with high-fiber alternatives like nuts or vegetables.
  • Engage in regular physical activity to improve [restricted term] sensitivity in your muscles. Create a weekly exercise plan that includes both aerobic exercises, like brisk walking or cycling, and resistance training, such as weightlifting or bodyweight exercises, aiming for at least 150 minutes of moderate activity per week.
  • Educate yourself on the potential side effects and benefits of diabetes medications to make informed decisions about your treatment options. Research and compare the cost and effectiveness of different drugs, like [restricted term] and GLP-1 agonists, and discuss these findings with your healthcare provider to determine the best course of action for your individual needs.

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Mechanisms and Diagnosis of Insulin Resistance

Experts delve into the complexities of [restricted term] resistance, a condition affecting various organs and metabolic functions, and discuss the mechanisms and diagnosis of this metabolic disturbance.

[restricted term] Resistance Affects Organs and Metabolism

[restricted term] resistance is a significant health concern with impacts on several major body organs, such as the liver, muscle, and adipose tissue.

Euglycemic Clamp: Gold Standard For Quantifying Tissue [restricted term] Resistance

Ralph DeFronzo developed the euglycemic clamp technique, now considered the gold standard for quantifying tissue [restricted term] resistance. The technique infuses [restricted term] to keep [restricted term] levels constant while maintaining normal blood sugar levels. It allows researchers to compare [restricted term] sensitivity across individuals by measuring how much glucose muscles take up in response to [restricted term].

DeFronzo confirms that under these controlled conditions, none of the glucose becomes hepatic glycogen, around 90% is stored as muscle glycogen, and approximately 10% is converted into adipose tissue. This selective partitioning of glucose highlights how different tissues have different [restricted term] sensitivities.

[restricted term] Resistance in Liver, Muscles, and Adipose Tissue Assessed by Isotope Tracers and Biopsies

Researchers use isotope tracers and biopsies to study how [restricted term] resistance affects liver glucose production, muscle glucose uptake, and lipid release from fat cells. Dr. Luke Norton uses biopsies in conjunction with an [restricted term] clamp to measure muscle [restricted term] sensitivity definitively. Ralph DeFronzo mentions that radioisotopes are utilized to determine [restricted term]'s effect on glucose production in the liver, finding that this action is impaired in obese and diabetic individuals.

Studies using these techniques show that [restricted term]'s ability to shut down glucose output from the liver and the uptake of glucose in muscle is significantly impaired in conditions of [restricted term] resistance.

[restricted term] Pathways Are Vital for Glucose Metabolism; Defects Lead To Resistance

The conversation addresses the importance of [restricted term] pathways in glucose metabolism and how disruptions in these pathways can lead to resistance.

Impaired Irs, Pi3 Kinase, and Glut4 Translocation Drive [restricted term] Resistance in Muscle and Other Tissues

The [restricted term] signaling pathway is fundamental to understanding [restricted term] resistance. It involves [restricted term] binding to its receptor and a cascade of events leading to glucose uptake into cells. DeFronzo indicates that defects in this pathway, particularly at the level of IRS-1 or the GLUT4 ...

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  • You can monitor your muscle activity and glucose levels by using a fitness tracker with a built-in glucose monitor to understand how your body responds to different types of physical activity. By analyzing the data, you can identify which exercises improve your muscle [restricted term] sensitivity and adjust your workout routine accordingly. For example, if you notice that after resistance training your glucose levels stabilize more efficiently than after a cardio session, you might prioritize weightlifting to enhance [restricted term] responsiveness in your muscles.
  • Incorporate foods rich in omega-3 fatty acids and antioxidants into your diet to combat lipid accumulation and support mitochondrial function. Start by adding a serving of fatty fish like salmon or mackerel to your meals twice a week and snacking on a handful of berries daily. These dietary changes can help reduce lipotoxicity and support the [restricted term] signaling pathways, potentially improving your [restricted term] sensitivity over time.
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Pathophysiology of Type 2 Diabetes

Peter Attia and Ralph DeFronzo examine the complexities of type 2 diabetes, including its physiological mechanisms and genetic predispositions. They shed light on how type 2 diabetes amplifies the risk of serious diseases and focus on its progression through [restricted term] resistance and impaired beta cell function.

"Ominous Octet" Explains Type 2 Diabetes Mechanisms: Beta Cells, Muscle, Liver, Adipose, Gastrointestinal, Renal Defects

Ralph DeFronzo presents the "ominous octet," initially discussing the "triumvirate" which includes [restricted term] resistance in the muscle and liver and beta cell failure. He then introduces additional contributors to type 2 diabetes which include adipose tissue lipotoxicity, SGLT2/SGLT1 transporters in renal glucose transport, abnormal [restricted term] response in the brain, and different sites of [restricted term] resistance affecting fat cell regulation and protein metabolism. He highlights the essential roles of various organs implicated in the disease's pathophysiology and the importance of understanding tissue-specific [restricted term] responsiveness.

[restricted term] Resistance in Tissues and Impaired Beta Cell Function Drive Type 2 Diabetes Progression

DeFronzo notes that individuals with diabetes often exhibit intrinsic resistance to [restricted term] in the liver and are more [restricted term]-resistant than normal. Obesity from childhood is linked to a high risk of developing type 2 diabetes due to early [restricted term] resistance and beta cell dysfunction. He also explains that excess fat accumulation in the muscle, liver, heart, and kidneys contributes to [restricted term] resistance and the pathophysiology in these organs.

Incretin Axis Dysfunction and Reduced Beta Cell Responsiveness to Glp-1 and Gip Contribute to Type 2 Diabetes

The gastrointestinal tract's release of incretin hormones GLP1 and GIP upon meal ingestion is crucial for glucose homeostasis. In type 2 diabetes, there's an issue with the beta cell's refractoriness to these incretins, not a deficiency in the hormones themselves, leading to significant problems with [restricted term] secretion.

Genetic and Epigenetic Factors in [restricted term] Resistance and Type 2 Diabetes Predisposition

The discussion touches on the genetic predisposition to [restricted term] resistance and type 2 diabetes. DeFronzo mentions the heterogeneity of diabetes, familial genetic associations, and its contrast with diseases such as sickle cell anemia, emphasizing the complexity and variability within type 2 diabetes. Ethnic minorities, particularly Hispanic populations, encounter high rates of diabetes due to genetic enrichment. The genetic associations found in studies, especially in non-coding regions like the TCF7L2 gene, and family-specific mutations add t ...

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  • You can monitor your blood sugar levels at home to understand how your body responds to different foods and activities. By using a personal glucose monitor, you can track your blood sugar before and after meals, as well as after physical activity, to identify patterns and make informed decisions about your diet and exercise routine. For example, if you notice certain foods cause a significant spike in your blood sugar, you might choose to limit them or find alternatives.
  • Engage in regular physical activity to improve [restricted term] sensitivity and support beta cell function. Starting with low-impact exercises like walking, swimming, or yoga can help you ease into a more active lifestyle. Over time, as your fitness improves, you can incorporate more varied and challenging workouts. Keeping an exercise diary can help you stay consistent and track your progress.
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Pharmacological Treatment of Type 2 Diabetes

Ralph DeFronzo and Peter Attia discuss the benefits of using combination therapy for the management of Type 2 diabetes, emphasizing a precision medicine approach that considers the patient's specific phenotype.

Combination Therapy More Effective Than Single-Drug For Type 2 Diabetes Management

Triple Therapy (Glp-1, Ppar-Gamma, Sglt2) With [restricted term] Beats "Treat-To-failure" In [restricted term] Sensitivity, Beta Cell Function, and Glycemic Control

DeFronzo advocates for starting type 2 diabetes treatment with combination therapy, which has only recently been suggested by the American Diabetes Association. His triple therapy regimen includes GLP-1 receptor agonists, PPAR-gamma ([restricted term]), and an SGLT2 inhibitor, with [restricted term] as an additional drug. The EDICS study utilized this triple therapy from the beginning, comparing it to the ADA's "treat-to-failure" approach. Results after six years revealed a 70% success rate in achieving an A1C less than 6.5% with triple therapy, versus 29% with the ADA approach. Triple therapy also showed improvements in [restricted term] sensitivity and preservation of beta cell function, while the ADA approach did not.

The study used older drugs like Xenotide (GLP-1) and [restricted term] in the triple therapy, demonstrating that even with these, a significant portion of patients maintained an A1c level below 7. Patients in the Qatar study, who were treated with [restricted term] (a GLP-1 agonist) and [restricted term], saw their A1C reduced significantly from an average of 10 to 6.1.

DeFronzo suggests that if limited to one drug, newer GLP-1 agonists would be his choice, but the optimal treatment would involve a combination of drugs, including a newer GLP-1 agonist, [restricted term] and an SGLT2 inhibitor, particularly useful for those with renal or cardiac disease.

Older, Cheaper Drugs Like [restricted term] and [restricted term] Treat Type 2 Diabetes but Are Limited by Misconceptions and Side Effect Concerns

Misconceptions and side effect concerns limit the use of older drugs like [restricted term] and [restricted term]. DeFronzo clarifies that [restricted term] is not an [restricted term] sensitizer; it works by reducing hepatic glucose output. [restricted term], however, is the only true [restricted term] sensitizer, improving [restricted term] sensitivity and even myocardial blood flow. Despite being affordable and effective, DeFronzo notes the challenge in encouraging [restricted term]'s use due to patients' concerns about weight gain and edema. Nonetheless, he emphasizes the drug's beneficial effects on A1C levels and its superiority in treating NASH.

Newer Glp-1 Agonists and Sglt2 Inhibitors Enhance Type 2 Diabetes Management, but Cost Is a Barrier

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  • GLP-1 (Glucagon-like peptide-1) is a hormone that helps regulate blood sugar levels by stimulating [restricted term] release and reducing glucagon secretion. PPAR-gamma (Peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor gamma) is a nuclear receptor involved in regulating genes that control glucose and lipid metabolism. SGLT2 inhibitors are a class of medications that work by blocking the reabsorption of glucose in the kidneys, leading to increased glucose excretion in the urine. A1C levels, also known as hemoglobin A1C, reflect average blood sugar levels over the past 2-3 months and are used to monitor long-term glucose control in diabetes management.
  • NASH stands for Nonalcoholic Steatohepatitis, a severe form of nonalcoholic fatty liver disease characterized by liver inflammation and damage. It is often associated with obesity, [restricted term] resistance, and metabolic syndrome. NASH can progress to advanced liver conditions like cirrhosis and liver cancer if not managed effectively. Treatment typically involves lifestyle changes, weight loss, and sometimes medications to address underlying metabolic issues.
  • Empagliflozin, dapagliflozin, and canagliflozin are all medications classified as SGLT2 inhibitors. These drugs work by helping the kidneys remove excess glucose from the body through urine, thereby lowering blood sugar levels in patients with type 2 diabetes. They are commonly used to improve glucose management, reduce the risk of cardiovascular events, and provide renal protection in individuals with diabetes.
  • [restricted term] is a medication used to treat type 2 diabetes by increasing [restricted term] release and decreasing glucagon release. It is a glucagon-like peptide-1 receptor agonist (GLP-1 receptor agonist) that is administered via injection. [restricted term] can be used in combination with other antidiabetic medications and is typically prescribed after [restricted term] and sulfonylureas. It was approved for medical use in the United States in 2005.
  • Precision medicine involves tailoring medical treatment to the individual characteristics of each patient. This approach considers factors like genetics, lifestyle, and environment to customize therapies for better outcomes. By analyzing a patient's unique profile, precision medicine aims to optimize treatment effectiveness and minimize side effects. It represents a shift from the traditional one-size-fits-all approach to a more personalized and targeted method of healthcare.
  • [restricted term] sensitivity refers to how effectively cells respond to [restricted term]'s signal to take up glucose from the bloodstream. Higher [restricted term] sensitivity means cells are more responsive to [restricted term], leading to better blood sugar control. [restricted term] sensitivity plays a cruc ...

Counterarguments

  • Concerns about the long-term safety and side effects of combination therapy, especially when using multiple newer agents, may not be fully understood yet.
  • The cost-effectiveness of combination therapy versus single-drug therapy in different healthcare systems may vary, and the long-term economic impact should be considered.
  • The complexity of managing combination therapy, including the risk of polypharmacy and patient adherence issues, could potentially offset the benefits.
  • The generalizability of the EDICS study results may be limited by factors such as study design, population characteristics, and setting, which may not reflect real-world scenarios.
  • The risk of adverse effects, such as weight gain and edema with [restricted term], may be significant for some patients and could lead to discontinuation of therapy.
  • The potential for newer drugs to decrease in price over time or for generic versions to become available could change the cost-benefit analysis of using newer GLP-1 agonists and SGLT2 inhibitors.
  • The role of lifestyle interventions, such as diet and exercise, in conjunction with pharmacotherapy, is not addressed and remains a critical component of Type 2 diabetes management. ...

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