In this episode of The Peter Attia Drive, Dr. Feng Zhang explains the origins and development of CRISPR gene editing technology, from its initial discovery as a bacterial defense system to its groundbreaking applications in treating genetic diseases. He delves into the capabilities and potential of CRISPR, as clinical trials explore therapies based on precisely editing genes responsible for conditions like sickle cell anemia.
Zhang also touches on the challenges facing CRISPR-based treatments, including efficient delivery methods and ethical considerations around germline editing. While acknowledging limitations like editing large genes and polygenic traits, the episode provides insights into this revolutionary technology and its promise for addressing genetic disorders.
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Feng Zhang explains that CRISPR (Clustered Regularly Interspaced Short Palindromic Repeats) was first discovered in bacterial DNA as repetitive, palindromic sequences with short gaps in between. Researchers like Francisco Mojica found these unique segments matched viral DNA, indicating CRISPR's role in bacterial immunity.
When bacteriophages infect bacteria, CRISPR produces guide RNA to recognize the virus DNA. If Cas proteins find a match, they cut the viral DNA, defending against infection. This understanding laid the groundwork for developing CRISPR-Cas9 as a gene editing tool, a process Zhang contributed to.
Zhang describes CRISPR as a two-part system: Cas9 performs editing, directed to specific sequences by guide RNA. This allows targeted gene disruption, correction, or insertion of genetic material.
Diseases caused by single gene mutations like sickle cell anemia and Huntington's could potentially be treated by inactivating or correcting the causative mutations using CRISPR.
Approaches include ex vivo gene editing of patient cells and re-introduction (for sickle cell), and in vivo delivery of CRISPR components via nanoparticles (for liver diseases) or viral vectors (for eye diseases like LCA10).
Zhang notes Cas9's large size complicates packaging into viral vectors. Nanoparticle formulations are being developed to improve delivery, but efficiency is still limited.
Zhang mentions the ethical debate over germline editing, with consensus against pursuing it currently due to safety concerns like unintended mutations from mosaic editing.
Newer CRISPR variants like base editing and prime editing aim to address some limitations, but the complexity of biology means simple gene fixes may not always have predictable outcomes.
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CRISPR gene editing technology has revolutionized modern science, stemming from its discovery in bacterial DNA sequences. CRISPR systems were not only a fascinating molecular phenomenon but also laid the groundwork for significant advances in genetic engineering.
A group of Japanese researchers studying E. coli DNA sequences discovered regions within the bacterial genomes that had repetitive DNA sequences not typical of gene-encoding sequences. These repetitions were grouped together and interspaced by short, fixed-length gaps, forming a pattern. Feng Zhang explains that the most obvious signals when observing bacterial DNA are the CRISPR repeats, due to their conserved sequences that repeat many times. The sequences were palindromic, which means reading the repeat sequences from the top strand and in reverse on the bottom, they appeared almost the same. These sequences, later named CRISPR (Clustered Regularly Interspaced Short Palindromic Repeats), describe the appearance of these patterns.
Feng Zhang discusses Francisco Mojica looking at the repeating sequences within the bacterial genome. It was Mojica’s work in the early 2000s that found that the non-repeating sequences between CRISPR repeats matched sequences from viruses, suggesting a role in bacterial-viral interactions. Mojica's discovery set the stage for the development of CRISPR as a tool for gene editing, as it indicated that these sequences were derived from viruses and foreign to the bacteria.
Zhang reflects on the realization that the snippets of genetic information of the virus acquired by the bacteria, usually about 30 letters long, were sufficient for the bacteria to uniquely recognize the virus. Once a bacterium integrated a piece of the virus’s DNA into their CRISPR system, they effectively acquired immunity against that virus.
The origins and development of CRISPR gene editing technology
The episode dives into the potential of CRISPR technology, highlighting its revolutionizing role in treating genetic diseases through precise gene editing.
Dr. Feng Zhang speaks about gene editing as a two-part system: the delivery technology and the medicine or 'payload' technology. CRISPR uses guide RNA to direct the enzyme Cas9 to specific DNA sequences for editing. This RNA-guided process is more precise compared to older systems like zinc finger nucleases or TALENs that used proteins for DNA recognition. Cas9 can open host DNA and find its match without its own helicase and then make cuts where it matches the guide RNA.
CRISPR's precision allows for the modification of specific genes, with transformative effects in various fields, particularly by creating transgenic mice in biomedical research. Zhang uses the analogy of smartphone apps to describe CRISPR's efficiency, where different software (guide RNA) can be loaded onto a single device (Cas9) to target varying genes. CRISPR RNA is easy to synthesize, and after the completion of the Human Genome Project, it is now possible to target almost any gene to perform cuts, edits, or insertions, as needed.
Zhang underscores the capability of CRISPR to treat genetic diseases where pathogenic mutations cause the production of a mutant protein detrimental to the patient. For instance, Huntington's disease involves an expanded sequence of DNA repeats; CRISPR could potentially shorten these. Likewise, sickle cell anemia, caused by a single point mutation, is more prevalent in black populations due to its protective effect against malaria.
For diseases like sickle cell anemia, CRISPR targets the mutation causing the disease, possibly providing a lasting solution by expressing the fetal version of hemoglobin to lessen the disease's symptoms. Zhang explains that gene editing therapy, involving cutting DNA rather than making a point mutation, can potentially treat other diseases like Huntington's and metabolic liver disorders by inactivating genes to stop the production of toxic proteins.
CRISPR's promise in treating sickle cell disease involves a potential one-time cure by ex vivo gene editing. Doctors can harvest the patient's bone marrow cells, modify them in the lab with mRNA for Cas9 and guide RNA, then reintroduce these edited cells. This process aims to correct the sickle ...
The capabilities and applications of CRISPR, especially in treating genetic diseases
Feng Zhang, Peter Attia, and others delve into the complexities of CRISPR-Cas9 gene editing, including its delivery methods, ethical controversies, and limitations.
The podcast opens with discussions on the importance of delivery methods for the success of CRISPR-based therapies. They talk about the success and limitations in targeting cells, mentioning specific cells in the liver and eye. Zhang acknowledges that although CRISPR components like Cas9 can already be delivered to some cells in vivo, the large size of proteins like Cas9 and Cas-13 poses substantial challenges. Nanoparticle formulations and various viral vectors are being developed to improve the efficiency of in vivo delivery, yet no method has achieved complete efficiency. For instance, even though lipid nanoparticles can deliver Cas9 and guide RNA to the liver, when it comes to gene editing for repairing vision, the combined inefficiencies of the delivery system with gene editing result in incomplete restoration.
Zhang discusses how the size of the Cas9 protein, which is 1,300 amino acids long, and Cas-13, which is roughly 1,000 amino acids, complicate their packaging into viral vectors. This issue has led to the exploration for new, more compact proteins. Although some have been discovered, they often lack the specificity or activity of Cas9.
Attia talks about the lipid nanoparticle delivery system used in the liver, and Zhang indicates that large-scale mRNA production and the formulation of nanoparticles are steps toward improving in vivo delivery and reducing costs over time.
The podcast addresses the ethical considerations of gene editing, including the debate surrounding germline modification. A controversial case from 2018 involved editing the embryos of a couple where the father was HIV positive, resulting in the births of mosaic baby girls, meaning the editing was not entirely successful and introduced unintended effects. Multinational working groups are now tasked to tackle these ethical discussions, with a general consensus against pursuing germline editing at the moment.
Zhang states the technological capability exists to treat disorders of inborn errors of metabolism or other genetic mutations with gene editing. There's a debate and ongoing discussions about the suitability of germline editing for conditions with severe implications, such as Huntington's disease and inborn errors of metabolism. One alternative solution offered is pre-implantation genetic testing to screen out embryos with mutations.
When discussing the regulation of gene editing, Attia implies a global variation in how such technologies are received and governed. Zhang refers to legal regulations in the US that prevent germ ...
The challenges and limitations of CRISPR-based therapies, including delivery and ethics
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