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502. Angry and Red: Color as Emotion | Mark Changizi

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In this episode of The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast, Mark Changizi introduces theories that human color vision evolved not just for detecting ripe fruit, but for perceiving emotional and health cues through skin tone variations. Changizi and Peterson examine how emotional displays function as signals that negotiate social interactions, ensuring cooperation and maintaining reputations.

They explore how aspects of language and music reflect the human brain's pattern recognition, mimicking sounds from environment and movement. The discussion covers how written and spoken language forms leverage the visual system's processing of natural scenes and acoustic patterns, while music capitalizes on the perception of body motion to amplify emotional impact.

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502. Angry and Red: Color as Emotion | Mark Changizi

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Theories on Human Color Vision Evolution

Emerging theories propose that human color vision evolved to enhance the detection of emotional and health cues in others, not just for identifying ripe fruit.

According to Mark Changizi, the unusual placement of the middle and long wavelength color receptors in the human eye is optimized for detecting skin tone variations that signal emotional states and physical health. This contradicts the traditional hypothesis linking color vision solely to fruit detection.

Changizi notes the receptors' sensitivity aligns with hemoglobin's changing colors when oxygenated or deoxygenated, allowing us to perceive blood circulation and internal states through skin color. He suggests emotions manifest as facial color gradients, further evidenced by primates with color vision displaying exposed, expressive skin.

Emotional Expression and Reputation in Social Interaction

Emotional displays and managing social capital enable negotiations between individuals.

Changizi and Jordan Peterson discuss how involuntary expressions like blushing function as honest signals of intent, fostering trust and cooperation. Emotional signals evolved as non-verbal negotiation tools to regulate social dynamics without language.

Maintaining reputation through reciprocal interactions is critical for cooperative and competitive social behaviors.

Ensuring a positive reputation increases the likelihood of receiving future support. Changizi compares social narratives tracking reputations over time to blockchain ledgers. Online, pseudonymous identities with accrued reputations can regulate behavior similarly to in-person interactions.

Gossip recounts changes in individual social capital, serving as a collective memory influencing the social order.

Origins of Language, Writing, and Music

Written language evolved to match the visual patterns the human visual system processes easily, enabling reading as an instinctive skill.

Changizi states written forms have culturally evolved to resemble natural scenes, utilizing patterns like junctions that appear in the environment. This visual familiarity allows effortless reading development in children.

Aspects of spoken language mirror acoustic patterns from physical object interactions, reflecting the human capacity for speech.

Changizi suggests phonetic elements like consonants, vowels, and syllables mimic sounds from collisions, vibrations, and resonances - reflecting the physics of interacting solid objects.

Music mimics the sounds of human movement, engaging perception of body motion and enabling music's strong emotional impact.

Music exaggerates patterns like Doppler shifts that occur with movement. Its elements like tempo and pitch range correlate with human kinetic patterns, synchronizing music with physical actions. This taps into the brain's movement recognition systems, amplifying music's social and emotional effects.

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  • The human eye contains different types of color receptors known as cones. The middle and long wavelength color receptors are responsible for detecting green and red colors, respectively. Their unique positioning in the human eye allows for enhanced perception of skin tone variations, which can convey emotional states and health cues. This positioning is theorized to have evolved to aid in the interpretation of subtle changes in skin color related to emotions and health.
  • Hemoglobin is a protein in red blood cells that carries oxygen throughout the body. When hemoglobin binds with oxygen, it becomes oxygenated and appears bright red. When it releases oxygen, it becomes deoxygenated and appears darker red or even bluish. This color change is what allows us to perceive variations in skin color related to blood circulation and oxygen levels.
  • Comparing social narratives tracking reputations to blockchain ledgers:

This comparison highlights how reputations in social interactions can be seen as a ledger of past actions and behaviors, much like how blockchain technology records transactions. Just as blockchain ensures transparency and immutability in transactions, social narratives and gossip can serve as a collective memory of individuals' reputations over time. The analogy emphasizes the role of reputation management and accountability in both digital and social contexts.

  • Music elements like Doppler shifts mimic the change in sound frequency as a source moves relative to an observer. In music, this effect is recreated to simulate the sensation of movement or speed. By incorporating Doppler-like effects, music can evoke a sense of motion or dynamics, enhancing its emotional impact on listeners. This technique aligns musical patterns with how our brains perceive movement, creating a connection between auditory stimuli and our physical responses.

Counterarguments

  • The theory that human color vision evolved primarily for detecting emotional and health cues is not universally accepted; some researchers argue that the ability to discern ripe fruit and young, nutritious leaves played a significant role in the evolution of primate trichromatic vision.
  • The optimization of color receptors for skin tone variation detection is an interesting hypothesis but may not fully account for the complexity of color vision evolution, which could have been influenced by multiple factors, including environmental and dietary needs.
  • While emotional expressions may indeed be signaled through facial color gradients, the universality and interpretation of these signals can vary across different cultures, suggesting that other factors are at play in the evolution of emotional expression.
  • The comparison of social narratives and reputation to blockchain ledgers is metaphorical and may oversimplify the complex, dynamic nature of social interactions and the historical methods of reputation management.
  • The idea that written language evolved to match visual patterns processed easily by the human visual system is a hypothesis that may not account for the full range of historical and cultural influences on the development of writing systems.
  • The suggestion that aspects of spoken language directly mirror acoustic patterns from physical object interactions is a theory that may not encompass the full linguistic and cognitive processes involved in language evolution and development.
  • The claim that music mimics the sounds of human movement and is synchronized with physical actions is a perspective that may not fully explain the diverse functions and cultural variations of music across societies.

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Theories on the evolution of human perception and sensory capabilities (e.g. color vision)

Emerging theories suggest that human color vision evolved as a mechanism to better interpret social and health-related cues from others, not solely for environmental tasks such as identifying ripe fruit.

Theories propose that human color vision evolved to enhance the detection of emotional and health cues in others, rather than just for identifying ripe fruit.

Mark Changizi and Jordan Peterson explore the evolution of color vision, suggesting it serves a broader purpose in social interaction than previously thought. They delve into the intricate relationship between color perception and our ability to discern emotional states and physical well-being.

The unusual, close-together placement of the middle and long wavelength color receptors in the human eye is optimized for detecting variations in skin tone and blood oxygenation, which are important signals of an individual's emotional state and physical health.

Changizi proposes that the traditional hypothesis, which links primate color vision to fruit detection, lacks strong evidence. Noting the similarity in color vision across varied primate diets, he points to the unique arrangement of the middle and long-wavelength color receptors in the eye. Instead of being spread across the visual spectrum like an RGB camera, these receptors are situated closely together in terms of wavelength sensitivity—an arrangement that seems to be fine-tuned for detecting subtle changes in skin tone rather than fruit.

These receptivity patterns align with the spectrum of hemoglobin changes between its oxygenated and deoxygenated states. Changizi elaborates that our color vision's fine sensitivity to these changes is due to the specific placement of the relevant cones in our eyes. This sensitivity allows us to detect signals produced by blood circulation under the skin, which convey a person's emotional state and health.

Changizi also notes that certain emotions can cause different color gradients on the face. Moreover, the entire body can exhibit color variations connected to emotional and health statuses. This capability is particularly evident in primates with color vision, wh ...

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  • The fruit detection hypothesis for color vision evolution is supported by the fact that many primates, including humans, can distinguish ripe, nutritious fruit from unripe fruit, which has clear survival advantages.
  • The social signaling hypothesis does not fully account for why nocturnal primates, which rely less on visual cues, also have some form of color vision.
  • The importance of color vision in detecting health and emotional states does not preclude its utility in other environmental tasks, suggesting a multifunctional evolution.
  • The close placement of color receptors could be an evolutionary coincidence rather than an adaptation for social signaling.
  • The ability to perceive color gradients on the face and skin could be a byproduct of a more general ability to perceive color differences in the environment, rather than an adaptation specifically for social communication.
  • The argument that human color vision is primarily for social communication does not explain why other species with less complex social structures also have color vision.
  • The hypothesis that color vision evolved for social signaling does not explain why some cultures do not associate the ...

Actionables

  • You can enhance your non-verbal communication by practicing recognizing and responding to subtle changes in skin tone during conversations. Start by observing friends or family members in different settings and noting any color changes you see when they experience various emotions. This could be a reddening of the face during excitement or a paleness during stress. Use these observations to improve your empathetic responses, such as offering support when you notice signs of distress.
  • Improve your personal relationships by using your understanding of color signals to better interpret your partner's feelings and health. Pay attention to the color gradients on your partner's face as indicators of their emotional state. For instance, if you notice a healthy flush on their cheeks, it might be a good time to engage in positive activities together, while a lack of color might suggest they need rest or are feeling down.
  • Enhance your self-awareness by monitoring your own skin color in response to different situati ...

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The role of emotional expression and reputation in human social interaction and communication

In a conversation between Changizi and Peterson, the importance of emotional expression and reputation is put forth as a central factor in human social interaction and communication.

Emotional expressions and the staking or ceding of social capital serve as a decentralized currency that enables cooperative and competitive negotiations between individuals.

Emotional displays that are outside voluntary control, like blushing or genuine laughter, function as honest signals of an individual's internal state and intent, facilitating social cooperation and trust.

Changizi and Peterson discuss the role of blushing as an honest signal. This involuntary response can indicate self-conscious shame and the inability to get away with violating social norms, thus facilitating social trust. Our faces and skin, especially our faces, function as mechanisms to display emotion, allowing others to read our intentions and desires. Honest signals, such as genuine laughter and spontaneous smiles, are clear, outward signs that make it easier for others to trust and engage in cooperative interactions because they suggest that a person is showing their true emotions and intentions.

The maintenance of reputation through reciprocal interactions and the management of social capital is critical for regulating both cooperative and competitive social dynamics.

Changizi suggests that before social signaling evolved, animals like sharks felt emotions but did not need to communicate them. In contrast, social animals require an optimal signaling system to negotiate and compromise without spoken language. Emotional expressions function as non-verbal negotiation tools, similar to staking chips in poker.

Peterson brings up the concept of reciprocal play among animals like juvenile rats, which establishes social order. Successful hunters in hunter-gatherer societies should manage their reputation and not hoard physical rewards to ensure cooperation and minimize jealousy within the group.

Changizi ties emotional expressions directly to color modulations that may be visible through our color vision, suggesting that our sense may have evolved to detect honest emotional signals such as blushing.

Moreover, reputation, bolstered by past generous actions, increases the likelihood of receiving future help if faced with difficulties. Changizi and Peterson discuss that ensuring a good reputation through actions is key to thriving within a social group.

Changizi compares social narratives to blockchain, a system that preserves reputation over time. These narratives, while crucial for maintaining social order, can perpetuate historical falsehoods or stereotypes.

On the internet, anonymity can lead to misbehavior due to the lack of reputational consequences. However, daily encounters with strangers ...

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  • The comparison of social narratives to blockchain highlights the idea that both systems involve the recording and preservation of information over time. Just as blockchain technology securely stores transaction data in a decentralized manner, social narratives can serve as a distributed ledger of reputational information within a community. This analogy emphasizes the role of narratives in maintaining and transmitting reputation across generations, similar to how blockchain maintains a secure and transparent record of transactions. The comparison underscores the importance of trust, transparency, and immutability in both social interactions and blockchain technology.
  • Juvenile rats engage in reciprocal play as a form of social interaction where they take turns engaging in playful behaviors such as chasing, wrestling, and mock fighting. This behavior helps them establish social bonds, learn social skills, and establish a social hierarchy within their group. Reciprocal play is essential for young animals to develop coordination, communication, and social understanding in a safe and non-threatening environment. Through this play, juvenile rats learn about boundaries, cooperation, and conflict resolution, which are crucial for their social development and future interactions within their group.
  • Emotional expressions tied to color modulations suggest that changes in skin color, like blushing, may serve as visible signals of one's emotional state. This concept proposes that our color vision may have evolved to detect these subtle changes in skin tone as indicators of genuine emotions. The idea is that these color modulations could act as non-verbal cues, aiding in the communication of internal feelings and intentions. This theory implies that our ability to perceive and interpret these color changes could play a role in understanding and responding to emotional signals in social interactions.
  • Maintaining an identity online akin to reputational interactions in person means that how you present yourself digitally can impact how others perceive and interact with you, similar to real-life interactions. Online pseudonyms and profiles, when associated with consistent behavior and reputation, can influence how others trust and engage with you, much like how personal reputation works in face-to-face interactions. The digital space allows for the transfer of emotional expressions and so ...

Counterarguments

  • Emotional expressions may not always be honest signals; they can be manipulated or faked, which complicates the trust-building process.
  • The interpretation of emotional expressions is culturally dependent, and what is considered an honest signal in one culture may not be in another.
  • The emphasis on reputation may lead to excessive self-monitoring and inauthentic behavior as individuals may act based on what they believe others expect rather than their true feelings or intentions.
  • The concept of reputation can be problematic when it becomes too rigid, allowing little room for individuals to change or recover from past mistakes.
  • Online interactions, even with reputational stakes, can still lack the depth and nuance of face-to-face communication, which may lead to misunderstandings and conflict.
  • The comparison of social narratives to blockchain overlooks the fluid and often ambiguous nature of human relationships and interactions, which cannot be captured fully in a digital ledger.
  • The idea that male communication is often regulated by the underlying threat of physical confrontation may be an oversimplification and not applicable to all cultures or contexts.
  • The role of gossip can be d ...

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The origins and evolution of human language, writing, and music as cultural/cognitive adaptations

The origins and evolution of human language, writing, and music have been a significant focus of scientific inquiry. These cultural and cognitive adaptations appear to have evolved to align with our sensory and perceptual capabilities, enabling the development of sophisticated communication forms.

Written language and orthographies have evolved to match the visual patterns and features that the human visual system is optimized to process, enabling the development of reading as a near-universal human skill.

Mark Changizi outlines the evolutionary process that has shaped written language to resemble natural visual scenes that the human visual system is adept at processing. Changizi states that writing has culturally evolved to look like natural objects, which allows people to read with apparent ease, often at a very young age with minimal practice. This suggests that reading operates similarly to an instinct, given there are areas in the brain associated specifically with visual word recognition. Cultural evolution has shaped the appearance of written language to employ patterns and features such as L and T junctions, emulating the intersections and overlaps that occur when objects in our environment interface with each other. He explains that there are 32 topologically distinct junctions involving three contours that occur in natural scenes, and these types of junctions appear in human writing systems proportional to their occurrences in nature.

The regular structural elements of spoken language, such as the distinction between consonants and vowels, mirror the acoustic patterns generated by the physical interactions of objects in the natural world, providing a foundation for the human capacity for speech and language.

Changizi further suggests that spoken language has evolved to sound like solid object physical events. For example, plosives such as "puh," "duh," and "kuh" mimic collisions, while fricatives and sonorants imitate sliding sounds and vibrations, or ringing, respectively. The concept of a syllable, described as a "hit and a ring," reflects the natural sound of a collision followed by a subsequent resonance. Mathematical regularities in the physical events of solid objects interacting are mirrored as universals in human language across different cultures.

Music has evolved to mimic the sounds and rhythms of human movement and physical interactions, engaging the perceptual systems that evolved to process and understand the kinematics of the body in motion, which enables the strong emotional and social effects of music.

Music is intrinsically different from speech but evokes a sense of the sounds of human movement. Elements such as the rhythm of footsteps (gait) are mirrored in music through beats and loudness modulations that create a narrative of human k ...

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  • The concept of mathematical regularities in physical events of solid objects and their mirroring as universals in human language suggests that the patterns and structures found in the interactions of physical objects follow consistent mathematical principles. These principles are reflected in the sounds and patterns of human speech across different languages, indicating a fundamental connection between the physical world and linguistic expression. This alignment between physical events and linguistic elements highlights the deep-rooted relationship between our sensory experiences of the world and the way we communicate through language. The regularities observed in the physical world may have influenced the development and structure of language, showcasing how our linguistic abilities are intertwined with our understanding of the physical environment.
  • Correlations between tempo, pitch range in music, and patterns in human movement suggest that faster movements are often associated with greater pitch variation and a faster tempo in music. This connection reflects how mu ...

Counterarguments

  • The theory that written language evolved to match visual patterns optimized for human processing is not universally accepted; some argue that the evolution of writing systems is more influenced by cultural and practical constraints than by perceptual optimization.
  • Reading may not operate as an instinct but rather as a learned skill that requires extensive practice and education, which is supported by the existence of illiteracy in various populations.
  • The resemblance of written language to natural scenes may be coincidental or a post hoc interpretation, and different writing systems have evolved under diverse cultural conditions that may not support this theory.
  • The structural elements of spoken language may not directly mirror physical interactions in the natural world; instead, they could be the result of arbitrary conventions or the limitations of human vocal tract anatomy.
  • The idea that music evolved to mimic human movement and physical interactions is one of several theories about the origins of music, and there is debate about whether music primarily serves an evolutionary function or is a byproduct of other cognitive capacities.
  • The emotional and social effects of music may not be solely due to its mimicry of human movement; other factors such as cult ...

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