#2411 - Gavin de Becker

Gavin de Becker discusses various historical instances where governments and intelligence agencies have abused their power and created distrust among the public through unethical activities.

Governments and Intelligence Agencies Abuse Power and Violate Public Trust Through Unethical Activities

De Becker elucidates on how governments and intelligence agencies have conducted themselves in ways that betray the trust of the people they serve.

US's Project Gladio Funded Attacks to Influence European Allies

De Becker notes that, following World War II, the United States did not fully suspend its military operations. Instead, it covertly continued them in a manner that suggests a deceitful perpetuation of wartime activities under the guise of peace.

CIA's History of Unethical Experiments: MKUltra and Mockingbird

De Becker does not explicitly mention MKUltra and Mockingbird in the provided content, but it is implied from the context of his discussions on intelligence agencies' history of abuse and experimentation.

Governments Misuse Authority to Conceal Actions and Evade Accountability Through Information Classification and Oversight Evasion

He speaks to the overarching theme of government manipulation and the concealment of actions. De Becker touches on the systemic issues of oversight for large, centralized governments and other powerful entities. He connects a lack of public skepticism with a deficiency in checks and balances on authority, suggesting that stories concocted by governments tend to be accepted without question when the public is not skeptical, leading to an absence of true oversight.

De Becker recounts how the US government's knowledge that Agent Orange was toxic, as proven by tests on monkeys, did not prevent its use in Vietnam. The US government's response to US troops being affected by Agent Orange was to classify the monkey study as top secret, thereby hiding crucial information until the 2000s. Even when the impact of Agent Orange became hard to ignore, the Institute of Medicine took 22 years to respond, extending the suffering of those awaiti ...

Gavin de Becker and Joe Rogan question the narratives surrounding major public health issues, often offering perspectives that challenge the official stances taken by organizations, governments, and the scientific community.

Public Health Crises Mishandled by Flawed Narratives

Narrative Downplayed Lifestyle Factors, Promoted Ineffective Treatments Like Azt

Gavin de Becker discusses the misuse of antibiotics during the early AIDS crisis and suggests that high-risk behaviors played a role in immunocompromise. He speaks about the negative effects of AZT, a drug that was intended to treat AIDS, arguing that it provided symptoms akin to AIDS and influenced case numbers to increase. Rogan underscores the controversy over the use of AZT, which was originally stopped as a chemotherapy drug for being too deadly and yet was then prescribed for lifelong use to AIDS patients.

Questionable Decisions by Governments and Agencies During Covid-19 Sowed Public Distrust

De Becker critiques the COVID-19 lockdowns, comparing them to "house arrest" and reflecting on them as lessons in government control. He continues by pointing out Event 201, which happened shortly before the COVID-19 outbreak, involving individuals like Bill Gates and CIA figures planning for a hypothetical pandemic, with a focus on controlling information.

Joe Rogan talks about the pressures regular people faced in taking the COVID-19 vaccine, implying that they may feel helpless or suffer adverse effects without being aware of the depth of issues associated with the pandemic. Both Rogan and de Becker indicate public distrust due to the handling of COVID-19, with de Becker suggesting those responsible are aware of the issues but are not acknowledging them publicly.

Furthermore, Rogan shares his skepticism about how a collective of esteemed doctors could promote a narrative they know to be false, relating his confusion to his realization of how the NIH operated under Fauci and the repercussions that scientists faced for deviating from the established narrative. As an example, Rogan highlights that individuals, including scientists and professors from major universities, were removed from social media platforms in 2020 for sharing truths that contradicted the official narrative.

Rogan describes people who question the narratives of public health crises like Covid-19 as often being dismissed, which contributes to significant public distrust. He goes on to share his own experience with COVID-19 within his family and his decision-making process regarding vaccination, which was influenced by his personal observations.

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De Becker and Rogan raise serious concerns about transparency, safety, and the ethics of vaccine development, alongside the enormous influence pharmaceutical companies wield in public health policies.

Pharmaceutical Industry: Unethical yet Influential in Public Health Policies

Joe Rogan and Gavin de Becker question the credibility of the pharmaceutical industry due to its historical fines for unethical behavior and its significant influence on public health policies.

Pharma Companies Fined Billions For Fraud, Bribery, and Misconduct

Rogan and De Becker delve into the history of pharmaceutical companies engaging in illegal activities, with Pfizer being fined for illegal marketing with the largest criminal fine in U.S. history at the time in 2009, alongside several other instances of misconduct. Johnson & Johnson faced fines for its role in the opioid crisis and for issues related to its baby powder, while GlaxoSmithKline was involved in bribing doctors. Another unnamed company had strategies akin to "bribe to prescribe," with their CEO convicted under the RICO Act. Merck had to pay $650 million due to the harmful effects of its [restricted term] drug.

Despite substantial fines and legal settlements that pharmaceutical companies have incurred, Rogan and De Becker observe that these penalties are often negligible compared to the profits generated by these entities.

Vaccine Development Lacks Transparency, Rigor, and Long-Term Studies, With Conflicts of Interest

De Becker alleges unethical practices and potential harm in vaccine development. He mentions specific instances, such as the alleged addition of HCG to tetanus vaccines in India and Peru for fertility reduction and Merck's dubious MMR vaccine trials. De Becker talks about whistleblowers exposing company misconduct and raises concerns about the lack of rigorous long-term studies for childhood vaccines.

A primary focus of their criticism centers on the COVID-19 vaccine, with discussions about the vaccine's side effects, such as myocarditis in children, and the perceived underreporting of these adverse events. De Becker also compares the regulation of vaccines unfavorably with air crash investigations and criticizes the absence of extensive, long-term safety studies for vaccines, including comparing overall health outcomes of vaccinated versus unvaccinated kids.

Rogan and De Becker express skepticism about the content and development of vaccines, citing the inclusion of questionable ingredients like mercury and aluminum. De Becker references the polio vaccine's contamination with SV40 and criticizes the process f ...

In a landscape where information is paramount, discussions on the Joe Rogan podcast shed light on concerns regarding media and their role in shaping societal perceptions, particularly amid substantial interests from government and corporate powers.

Corporate Media Serve Pharmaceutical and Government Interests

The podcast delves into the complex relationship between media, government agencies, and pharmaceutical companies, reflecting on instances where the interplay between these entities may influence public narratives.

Media Outlets Collaborate With Intelligence Agencies to Shape Narratives, Like in Project Mockingbird

Gavin de Becker references the historical Project Mockingbird, elucidating that during its operation, hundreds of American journalists were on the CIA payroll or had close relationships with it, influencing domestic perceptions. Despite the project being reportedly closed, de Becker alludes to its potential modern iterations, impacting contemporary discussions, such as those around pandemic response. This hearkens back to Rogan’s reference to the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012, which he contends legally sanctioned the use of propaganda on U.S. citizens.

De Becker further discusses oligarch Kolomoisky’s use of media to promote Zelensky's show "Servant of the People," intertwining entertainment with political narratives, a practice that echoes the core of Project Mockingbird's alleged media manipulation. Moreover, he alludes to the involvement of US intelligence agencies in Ukraine, indicating their potential role in shaping public perceptions through various campaigns.

Critical Voices and Alternative Viewpoints Are Marginalized by Mainstream Media, Limiting Access to Key Information

The podcast suggests that critical perspectives or questions around public health narratives, especially regarding vaccines, are not always fully addressed or are minimized within mainstream media. For instance, the narrative around vaccines and autism, influenced by organizations with government ties such as the Institute of Medicine, indicates marginalization of dissenting voices. Important developments, like the removal of mercury from vaccines, are scarcely reported by mainstream media, whereas negative narratives about public figures challenging the pharmaceutical industry, such as Robert F. Kennedy Jr., are prevalent, suggesting bias influenced by corporate funding.

Joe Rogan discusses his own experience of being ostracized by CNN and other mainstream outlets for his divergent views on COVID-19 treatments. He criticizes the outlets for misrepresentation, a ...