#2335 - Dr. Mary Talley Bowden
In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, Dr. Mary Talley Bowden shares her observations and experiences regarding Covid-19 treatments and hospital protocols during the pandemic. She discusses her approach to treating Covid-19 patients using alternative methods, including monoclonal antibodies and ivermectin, and describes her findings about vaccine effectiveness in preventing transmission.
The conversation explores various aspects of the medical industry's pandemic response, including hospital protocols and pharmaceutical oversight. Bowden details her involvement in legal actions, including what she describes as the first jury trial about hospital Covid-19 protocols, and shares her perspective on vaccine injury reporting systems. The discussion also touches on emerging challenges with AI technology and its potential impact on healthcare information integrity.
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Covid-19 Vaccines and Alternative Treatments
Mary Talley Bowden shares her experiences and concerns regarding Covid-19 vaccines and alternative treatments. After tracking Covid-19 cases by vaccination status, she observed that vaccines weren't preventing transmission as promised. Bowden reports successfully treating over 6,000 patients using alternative methods, including monoclonal antibodies and [restricted term], despite facing institutional pushback.
The Medical Industry's Pandemic Response and Potential Malpractice
Bowden discusses troubling observations of hospital protocols during the pandemic, particularly regarding ventilator use and medication dosing. She reveals reviewing cases where hospital staff allegedly euthanized Covid-19 patients with excessive medication or implemented non-consensual DNR orders. Bowden is currently involved in several legal actions, including the first jury trial in the country over hospital protocols during COVID, and supports Brooke Jackson's whistleblower lawsuit against Pfizer regarding Covid-19 vaccine trial practices.
Corruption and Lack of Transparency in Medical/Pharmaceutical Sectors
In their discussion, Joe Rogan and Bowden express concerns about systemic issues in healthcare, particularly regarding pharmaceutical oversight and vaccine injury reporting. Bowden notes that approximately 33% of drugs eventually receive safety warnings, though these often take years to surface. They also discuss emerging challenges with AI technology, with Rogan highlighting concerns about deep fakes and synthetic media potentially compromising information integrity in healthcare and beyond.
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- Vaccines may not completely prevent transmission, but they have been shown to significantly reduce the severity of illness and the risk of hospitalization and death.
- The efficacy of alternative treatments such as [restricted term] for Covid-19 has not been conclusively proven in large-scale, peer-reviewed studies and is not widely recommended by health authorities.
- Institutional pushback against alternative treatments may be based on adherence to evidence-based medical guidelines and patient safety concerns.
- The use of ventilators and medication dosing during the pandemic was often based on the best available knowledge at the time in a rapidly evolving situation.
- Allegations of euthanizing patients or implementing non-consensual DNR orders are serious and would require thorough investigation to substantiate; they are not representative of standard medical practice.
- Legal actions regarding hospital protocols are subject to the judicial process, which will consider evidence and legal arguments before reaching a verdict.
- Whistleblower lawsuits play an important role in accountability, but the claims made need to be substantiated through legal proceedings and should not be taken as fact until proven.
- While systemic issues in healthcare and pharmaceutical oversight exist, there are also robust systems in place for monitoring drug safety and vaccine adverse events.
- The fact that safety warnings for drugs can take years to surface is indicative of the ongoing monitoring and commitment to safety, as new evidence can emerge over time.
- Concerns about AI technology, deep fakes, and synthetic media are valid, but there are also efforts underway to develop tools and strategies to detect and mitigate these issues.
Actionables
- Educate yourself on the full spectrum of treatment options for illnesses by reading up-to-date medical journals and patient forums. This broadens your understanding of what treatments are available beyond mainstream options and equips you with knowledge to discuss alternatives with your healthcare provider if the need arises.
- Develop a habit of checking multiple sources when consuming health-related news, especially when it involves new technologies like AI or deep fakes. Use fact-checking websites, scientific publications, and official health organization statements to cross-reference information, ensuring you're not misled by potentially compromised content.
- Create a personal health advocacy plan that includes documenting your treatment preferences, researching your rights as a patient, and identifying a trusted advocate. This plan can help safeguard against unwanted medical interventions and ensure your wishes are respected during healthcare encounters.
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Covid-19 Vaccines and Alternative Treatments
Mary Talley Bowden and others voice concerns over the rapid development of Covid-19 vaccines and argue for the use of alternative treatments like monoclonal antibodies and [restricted term].
Mary Talley Bowden Questioned Covid-19 Vaccines Owing To Rushed Development, Later Observing Adverse Reactions Raised Efficacy and Safety Concerns
Mary Talley Bowden has raised concerns about the safety and efficacy of Covid-19 vaccines, particularly in specific populations such as pregnant women.
Bowden Tracked Covid-19 Cases, Noting Vaccines Didn’t Prevent Transmission
Bowden began tracking Covid-19 cases by vaccination status and observed that the vaccines were not preventing transmission as promised. She highlights that after the vaccines' rollout, which pledged to stop transmission and prevent death, there was a large surge in cases.
Bowden's Success: Treating Covid-19 With Monoclonal Antibodies and [restricted term]
Bowden mentions treating over 6,000 patients successfully using early treatment methods, including monoclonal antibodies, to keep them out of the hospital. For patients who were very sick in the second week, she used a combination of treatments, including high doses of [restricted term], IV steroids, IV antibiotics, and home oxygen. She states that these treatments were successful, and she has also treated strange rashes effectively with [restricted term].
Authorities Opposed [restricted term], Alternative Treatments Despite Evidence
Bowden Faced Retaliation and Suspension For Advocating [restricted term] Use
Bowden faced retaliation and suspension for advocating the use of [restricted term], despite her clinical experience and positive feedback from many people who found the drug effective. She received several complaints related to her prescribing [restricted term] but cleared her name on all but one instance involving a hospital in Dallas. Bowden decided to sue the FDA over a tweet ag ...
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- Vaccines are typically developed with rigorous safety and efficacy standards, and the Covid-19 vaccines underwent extensive clinical trials before receiving emergency use authorization from regulatory bodies.
- While breakthrough infections can occur, evidence suggests that Covid-19 vaccines are effective at preventing severe illness, hospitalization, and death.
- The role of [restricted term] in treating Covid-19 has been debated, with many health authorities and studies suggesting that there is insufficient evidence to support its use as a treatment for the virus.
- The use of monoclonal antibodies has been authorized for certain cases, but their availability and efficacy can vary depending on the circulating virus variants.
- Regulatory bodies have the responsibility to ensure t ...
Actionables
- You can enhance your understanding of medical treatments by researching the latest studies on platforms like PubMed or Google Scholar, focusing on the effectiveness and safety of treatments mentioned, such as monoclonal antibodies and [restricted term]. By doing this, you'll be better informed about the current scientific consensus and can make more educated decisions regarding your health.
- Start a personal health journal to document any treatments you undergo, their effects, and any side effects you experience. This can be a simple notebook or a digital document where you track the dates of treatment, dosages, and your body's responses. This record-keeping can be invaluable for personal health management and future discussions with healthcare providers.
- Engage in c ...
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The Medical Industry's Pandemic Response and Potential Malpractice
Bowden Saw Troubling Hospital Protocol Changes During the Pandemic, Including Overuse of Ventilators and Withholding Effective Treatments
Bowden discussed her observations of hospital protocols that she found troubling during the pandemic. She highlighted the overuse of ventilators and suggested that certain protocols were not effective. Initially, she adhered to these procedures herself, calling an ambulance for patients with low oxygen saturation. However, she later realized it might be unnecessary, and hospitals were continuing to needlessly ventilate patients. Bowden suggests that smaller doses of steroids were problematic and that most doctors had to answer to a third party, which was an issue during the pandemic, with many being rule followers by nature.
Bowden Reviewed Records of Staff Euthanizing Covid-19 Patients With Excessive Medication or Non-consensual Dnr Orders
Bowden reviewed records from hospital patients and discovered instances where staff allegedly euthanized them with [restricted term] and [restricted term], believing there was an expectation that the patients would die regardless. Bowden cites the case of a patient who passed away three minutes after receiving such medications. She was disturbed by this and reported it to the medical board, though no action was taken. She also recalls the investigation of Anna Poe, a former attending who was investigated for euthanizing patients during Hurricane Katrina by administering [restricted term].
Bowden Backs Legal Actions Against Hospitals for Pandemic Response, Including a Case of Alleged Euthanasia of a Woman With Down Syndrome
Whistleblower Cases: Brooke Jackson Exposes Pfizer Covid-19 Vaccine Trial Issues, Faces Government Suppression
Mary Talley Bowden supports legal actions against hospitals for their conduct during the pandemic. She is involved in a lawsuit, which is the first jury trial in the country over hospital protocols during COVID, involving a young woman with Down syndrome who was allegedly given a non-consensual DNR ord ...
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Actionables
- Educate yourself on patient rights and healthcare protocols to make informed decisions during medical emergencies. Start by reading up on the Patient's Bill of Rights and familiarize yourself with the legal documents such as advance directives and DNR orders. This knowledge will empower you to advocate for yourself or loved ones if you're ever in a situation where hospital protocols seem questionable.
- Create a personal healthcare journal to document any medical treatments and communications with healthcare providers. In this journal, note down the dates, names of medications, dosages, and the names of the doctors or nurses you interact with. This record can be crucial if you need to recall specific details for any reason, including legal or medical disputes.
- Build a support network with friends or family memb ...
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Corruption and Lack of Transparency in Medical/Pharmaceutical Sectors
In a critical examination of the medical and pharmaceutical industries, public figures such as Mary Talley Bowden and Joe Rogan convey deep concerns over the integrity and ethical compass of these sectors, influenced by financial incentives and a lack of transparency.
Bowden Views the Medical and Pharmaceutical Industries as Corrupted by Financial Incentives, Prioritizing Profits Over Patient Safety
Bowden and Rogan discuss a series of issues that highlight systemic problems within the medical and pharmaceutical industries.
Lack of Oversight and Selective Publication by Pharmaceutical Companies Has Eroded Public Trust In Medicine
Joe Rogan and Mary Talley Bowden share a belief that the pharmaceutical industry and regulatory agencies have lost the public’s trust due to a lack of oversight and selective publication of trial results. For instance, Bowden notes that about 33% of drugs eventually receive safety warnings, but it often takes years for these issues to be recognized. She observes that drugs she once prescribed have even been pulled from the market, highlighting a trend of systemic neglect.
Systemic Issues in Healthcare: Overlooking Vaccine Injuries
Bowden raises serious questions about how vaccine injuries are handled within the healthcare system. She mentions an alarming rise in spike protein antibody levels in vaccinated individuals years after having been vaccinated. There is no ICD-10 code for vaccine injury, which complicates the tracking and addressing of these injuries. This lack of classification for vaccine injuries and the fact that some vaccine-injured patients have sought medical assistance in dying in other countries point to significant oversights in patient care and safety.
Emerging Ai and Data Tech Threaten Information Integrity and Truth Discernment
Joe Rogan and Mary Talley Bowden voice their unease about the acceleration of AI technology and the potential challenges it poses for truth discernment and data integrity.
Deep Fakes and Synthetic Media Raise Future V ...
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Clarifications
- The ICD-10 code for vaccine injury is a specific code used in medical records to classify and track adverse effects or injuries resulting from vaccines. This coding system helps healthcare providers and public health officials monitor and analyze vaccine-related complications for better patient care and safety. Having a dedicated code for vaccine injuries facilitates accurate reporting, surveillance, and research in the field of immunization. It enables healthcare professionals to document and address vaccine-related adverse events systematically.
- Deep fakes and synthetic media are forms of manipulated content created using artificial intelligence (AI) algorithms. Deep fakes involve superimposing existing images or videos onto other images or videos, often creating realistic but fabricated footage. Synthetic media encompasses a broader category of AI-generated content, including images, videos, and audio that can be convincingly altered or entirely fabricated. These technologies raise concerns about the potential for misinformation, deception, and the erosion of trust in visual and auditory information.
- AI-generated content refer ...
Counterarguments
- The pharmaceutical industry is highly regulated, with stringent requirements for clinical trials, drug approval, and post-market surveillance, which are designed to ensure patient safety and drug efficacy.
- The 33% figure for drugs receiving safety warnings may not reflect the overall safety of pharmaceuticals, as it does not account for the number of patients who benefit from these drugs without experiencing adverse effects.
- The lack of an ICD-10 code for vaccine injuries does not necessarily indicate an oversight in patient care, as vaccine adverse events can be reported through other mechanisms such as the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) in the United States.
- AI and data technology have the potential to improve healthcare outcomes through better disease prediction, personalized medicine, and efficient data management, alongside the challenges they present.
- Deep fakes and synthetic media are a concern, but there are also emerging technologies and methods being developed to detect and combat these issues, such as digital ...
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