In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, Hal Puthoff discusses his research into remote viewing, which began at Stanford University after meeting psychic Ingo Swann. Puthoff describes several documented cases where remote viewers provided accurate descriptions of classified facilities and military assets, leading to government-funded research programs.
The conversation explores Puthoff's involvement in UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) investigations and his work with unusual materials that suggest non-terrestrial origins. He explains the challenges posed by extreme compartmentalization in research groups studying these phenomena, and discusses recent legislative efforts like the UAP Disclosure Act 2023, which aims to establish processes for sharing information about UAPs and potential non-human intelligence.
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While working at Stanford University, Hal Puthoff's journey into remote viewing began when he met Ingo Swann, an artist and psychic. Despite initial skepticism, Puthoff was impressed when Swann accurately described a shielded device in his lab. This led to government-funded research programs where remote viewers demonstrated remarkable abilities, including Joe McMonagle's accurate description of an undisclosed Soviet submarine and Pat Price's detailed depiction of classified facilities.
Puthoff details his involvement in classified UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) investigations, initiated by Senators Reid, Inouye, and Stevens. His work included interviewing pilots who testified during congressional hearings about UAP encounters. The UAP Disclosure Act 2023, proposed by Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Senator Rounds, aims to establish a process for disclosure related to UAPs and non-human intelligence (NHI).
In his research, Puthoff encountered materials with unusual characteristics, such as specially layered titanium and bismuth, suggesting non-terrestrial origins. Despite efforts by major institutions like the Aerospace Corporation, attempts to replicate these materials have failed. Puthoff worked with John Paul DeGiorgio to explore quantum communications as a potential way to understand NHI technologies.
Puthoff describes how extreme compartmentalization within research groups has hindered progress in understanding unconventional phenomena. He provides examples of aerospace executives unable to share materials despite high-level clearances, and cases where potentially extraterrestrial materials couldn't be properly studied due to security restrictions. While acknowledging security concerns, Puthoff advocates for increased collaboration and openness, suggesting a balanced approach through a nine-person panel to determine what information can be safely shared.
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Hal Puthoff's engagement with remote viewing began with skepticism but led to government-funded research, with varying degrees of acceptance and numerous challenges from the scientific community.
While pursuing his PhD at Stanford University and working on projects such as a tunable infrared laser, Hal Puthoff became curious about the nature of consciousness, which led him to polygraph expert Cleve Baxter. Baxter's unusual observations of plant responses inspired Puthoff to experiment with living organisms and their unexplored abilities.
At a New York City cocktail party, Baxter introduced Puthoff to Ingo Swann, an artist and psychic capable of remote viewing. Despite warnings from colleagues about psychics' credibility, Puthoff, initially skeptical, decided to explore Swann’s abilities at Stanford Research Institute. Swann startled observing graduate students in Puthoff’s lab by accurately describing the inner workings of a shielded device using his remote viewing skills.
Swann's work with Puthoff started simple, evolving from describing hidden objects in a room to detailing complex locations in the San Francisco Bay Area using just latitude and longitude coordinates.
Puthoff’s validation efforts for remote viewing included briefing governmental groups, leading to diverse reactions—from skepticism to intrigue. To Puthoff’s surprise, high-level officials and decision-makers, like Bill Casey, director of the CIA under Reagan, demonstrated openness to the remote viewing concept. For instance, a CIA agent, initially a skeptic, after witnessing successful demonstrations, became a star remote viewer for the agency.
Significant contributions from remote viewers included Joe McMonagle describing an undisclosed Soviet submarine and Pat Price accurately depicting the Sugar Grove facility, including tapping into a list of classified words from a safe. Price also described a giant crane at a site in Semipalatinsk, which was later confirmed by satellite imagery.
Puthoff mentioned an experiment where a remote viewer accurately predicted presidential and vice-presidential resignations before they occurred. Additionally, a pre-NASA flyby remote viewing of Jupiter led to the discovery of a ring around the planet, which was subsequently verified.
Puthoff’s work ...
Remote Viewing Research and Its Development
Hal Puthoff speaks on his long-term involvement in highly classified UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) investigations, having officially engaged in UFO-related investigations after a contract initiative by Senators Reid, Inouye, and Stevens. Specifically, Puthoff details his role post-2008, when these senators initiated a new program for which Robert Bigelow responded, leading to Puthoff's deeper involvement. Puthoff was informed about UAP investigations at super classified levels and interacted with high-level intelligence officers like Dave Fravor.
Puthoff shares his experience interviewing pilots and other officials who testified during a congressional hearing, confirming evidence of UAPs. The behaviors witnessed by pilots suggested to Puthoff that a non-human intelligence (NHI) was responsible for these phenomena. He recounts an incident reported by a remote viewer about a purported UFO base on Earth and how a CIA station keeper in Australia confirmed UFO activity around Mount Zeile.
Puthoff reflects on the complex motivations behind government decisions regarding disclosures about UFOs and NHIs. While not explicitly mentioning the government’s motives for disclosure, Puthoff points to compartmentalization and secrecy as barriers to innovation and understanding. He also discusses instances of interference by UFOs with nuclear missile silos, indicating the serious implications of these encounters. Puthoff emphasizes the necessity of reassessing humanity's place in the universe and integrating the reality of NHIs into our philosophical fabric.
The conversation points to a movement towards transparency, as indicated by references to congressional hearings and the acknowledgment of UAPs by officials.
Puthoff discusses the UAP Disclosure Act 2023, put together by Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Senator Rounds, which outlines a process for ...
Government and Military Response to Unconventional Phenomena
Hal Puthoff's research involves examining unconventional phenomena, potentially linked to Non-human Intelligence (NHI) craft. His work has uncovered materials and technologies suggestive of non-terrestrial origins and demonstrated the significant challenges inherent in reverse-engineering or understanding these advancements.
Puthoff describes encountering materials with unusual characteristics, such as layers of titanium and bismuth, which have no known development history or apparent purpose based on current human knowledge. He also noted that some materials have isotopic ratios consistent with terrestrial origin but are constructed in ways not achievable by known methods, especially not during the era when they were supposedly created.
Despite considerable efforts, including those by major institutions like the Aerospace Corporation, human attempts to replicate these materials have failed, showcasing the limitations of current technology and hinting at the advanced origins of such materials. Puthoff alludes to layers of bismuth and magnesium that were prohibitively expensive to attempt to bond, a feat which also resulted in broken equipment.
Puthoff explains the challenge of scientific compartmentalization, indicating that classified protocols hinder collaboration and information sharing, which is vital for progress in this field. He shares his own experiences of negotiating with aerospace executives for access to potentially extraterrestrial materials but was thwarted by the high classification that such materials would inherently carry.
Reverse-Engineering Advanced Technologies From Non-human Sources
The conversation surrounding secrecy in scientific and technological progress outlines various issues and setbacks that arise due to compartmentalization and restricted information sharing, particularly in the domain of unconventional phenomena.
Hal Puthoff describes his own dealings with the extreme compartmentalization within the field of unconventional phenomena. He illustrates this through multiple anecdotes, including his experience with aerospace executives who faced restrictions on sharing materials, even if individuals had high-level clearances. This level of secrecy not only prohibited collaboration but also led to misallocations of funding and resources.
Further exemplifying the problem, Puthoff recounts how materials from crashes, presumably of extraterrestrial origin, were so compartmentalized that even within a single corporation, they couldn't be brought up from the basement for their top floor scientists to examine. This degree of compartmentalization, according to Puthoff, severely hinders advancement as it prevents collaboration.
The complexities of this system are further highlighted in Puthoff's account of the "JWIC server," a classified Pentagon server where papers on unconventional phenomena were posted, restricting access to a broader scientific audience. He also mentions a new program set up through the Department of Homeland Security and a code name ("Kona Blue") that was revealed by the ARO (Advanced Aerospace Anomalies Resolution Office). This program's setup and confidentiality also reflect the deeply compartmentalized state of this field.
Puthoff indicates that compartmentalization is a significant obstacle to the progression of understanding and working with materials and technologies related to unconventional phenomena. He expresses concern about the stifling effect of secrecy on innovation and advancement.
Moreover, the dialogue implies that this level of secrecy has prevented a comprehensive understanding of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) and that addressing these blockades through executive decisions could lead to greater advancements and a deeper understanding of related technologies.
Puthoff suggests potential benefits of collaboration and openness. He supports disclosure where it can accelerate the understanding of crafts from non-human intelligence and advocates for a procedure to bring forward various aspects of classified information without prosecution. Puthoff emphasizes that despite the risks, more collaboration and openness could be be ...
Challenges of Secrecy in Scientific and Technological Progress
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