In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, Joe Rogan and comedian Felipe Esparza explore the ever-evolving landscape of comedy and the challenges that comedians face in today's climate. The discussion covers the aggressive comedy acts of the 1980s Boston scene, the impact of alternative venues, and how increased accessibility brought both opportunities and scrutiny for edgy material.
They also examine the darker aspects of fame and stardom, from the overwhelming pressures faced by celebrities to the detrimental effects of brain injuries. The conversation ultimately touches on humanity's more disturbing behaviors throughout history—from unsanitary living conditions and misused toxic substances to alarming sexual practices.
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Joe Rogan reminisces about the aggressive comedy acts by Boston locals like Don Gavin and Steve Sweeney that would outperform visiting headliners with their regional references and Boston attitudes.
Alternative venues like Holy City Zoo in San Francisco helped launch edgy comedians' careers. Rogan notes how cable TV, internet, and social media vastly increased comedy access but also scrutiny.
Rogan ponders how Elvis Presley and Michael Jackson dealt with overwhelming fame from a young age. Successful comedians also faced backlash for offensive material.
Rogan explores how brain injuries can cause impulsive, destructive behaviors by altering threat perception. He cites examples like impaired decision-making leading to unsafe sexual acts.
Rogan recalls the hazardous pre-sewer conditions in America, with waste dumping potentially contributing to diseases and even President Harrison's death.
Historically, toxic substances like mercury were misused in medicine. Esparza notes the lack of awareness around toxins in ancient practices and modern products.
Rogan discusses the existence of zoophilia and an incident where a man died from being anally penetrated by a horse after a pattern of recording sexual acts with animals.
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An exploration into the transformation of the comedy scene reveals how local atmospheres helped shape comedic styles and how technology has increased access to humor.
In the 1980s, Boston was home to a thriving comedy scene that created a challenging environment for visiting acts.
Joe Rogan reminisces about how comedians like Don Gavin, Steve Sweeney, and Kenny Rogerson had aggressive acts that "ate alive" visiting headliners in local venues like Nick’s Comedy Stop. These local performers, or "assassins," would outperform softer headliner acts with their energetic local humor.
Further, Rogan explains that acts like Steve Sweeney employed a distinctly Boston flavor in their comedy, using local references and attitudes. Sweeney, in his hometown, could be considered the "funniest guy that's ever lived," but the region-specific materials didn’t always resonate on the national stage.
As comedy evolved, shifts in acts and venues brought about new ways comedians reached audiences and cultivated their careers.
Though not explicitly discussed by the hosts, the evolution of the comedy scene has seen a decline in traditional acts such as physical comedy, ventriloquism, and other novelty shows in favor of stand-up comedy.
Felipe Esparza mentions a venue in San Francisco called Holy City Zoo, w ...
The History and Evolution of Comedy and Comedians
Joe Rogan and Felipe Esparza delve into the darker aspects of extreme fame, the psychological effects of living in the constant limelight, and how brain injuries might influence the behavior of celebrities.
Rogan points out that Elvis Presley's fame in the 1960s was unlike anything anyone had ever seen, with overwhelming attention and reactions including women screaming, fainting, and crying. He highlights that Elvis was the first to experience this extraordinary level of fame, particularly after television appearances where his hip-shaking drove audiences wild. Rogan mentions that despite Presley's massive success, he had an evil manager, was addicted to pills, and lived in a state of paranoia without any peers who could truly understand his situation. Rogan and Esparza ponder how Presley dealt with such extreme fame from a young age, comparing his experience to that of Michael Jackson. They're amazed at how Elvis navigated such fame at just 21 years old, implying that such a level of stardom can be incredibly challenging to manage.
Rogan discusses the experiences of comedians like Larry the Cable Guy who faced hate simply for being successful and having in-character material deemed offensive. Esparza echoes the sentiment, noting that audiences often failed to distinguish between the comedian and their performance persona. They touch upon the "dice thing," possibly hinting at the backlash Andrew Dice Clay received for his contentious material.
Rogan comments on how TV shows like "In Living Color" could be wildly offensive yet hilarious and speculates about the possible controversy such shows would cause in more sensitive times. He mentions sketches such as Damon Wayans' "Men on Film," and characters Handi-Man and Fire Marshal Bill, suggesting that their edgy humor might draw significant criticism today. Additionally, Rogan refers to a scene in "Ace Ventura" in which characters react to a trans person with disgust, a moment that would likely provoke an outcry if released in a present-day context.
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The Impact of Fame and Stardom on Individuals
A look into some of the risky and often lethal practices throughout history and in modern times reveals worrying patterns in human behavior.
Joe Rogan reflects on the historical unsanitary conditions, similar to those depicted in the film "Gangs of New York," suggesting life during pre-sewer America was as wild as the Wild West. Near the White House, Washingtonian waste festered in a field, potentially impacting the health of individuals like President Harrison, who died in 1841. The White House's water source being downstream of this dumping ground may have contributed to the president's death.
Rogan also makes a passing comment that these unsanitary conditions "killed the president,” although the details are not fully explored in the discussion.
Historically, ignorance about toxic materials caused dangerous practices. Felipe Esparza talks about Blackbeard using mercury to treat diseases, a common but misguided remedy at the time. Even the first emperor of China’s tomb is rumored to be booby-trapped with mercury, and tests around the tomb today indicate high mercury levels. Rogan discusses the ancient practice of using mercury in tombs dating back to the second millennium BC, perhaps as a preservative or to deter thieves.
Joe Rogan and Esparza raise concerns about contemporary toxicity, particularly in makeup. They discuss the health impacts of dyes and the harmful substances like lead, mercury, and arsenic found in cosmetics. Rogan points out the inconclusive evidence regarding candle emissions from paraffin wax, which can release carcinogenic VOCs. Even products aiming to be healthy, such as paraffin-free or unscented candles, can emit toxins. Additionally, Rogan mentions that both paper and plastic straws contain harmful "forever chemicals," questioning the safety of such convenience products.
Dangerous and Destructive Human Behaviors, Historical and Contemporary
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