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#2272 - Mike Benz

By Joe Rogan

In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience with Mike Benz, the origins and evolution of USAID, the United States Agency for International Development, are examined. Benz alleges that USAID, beyond its stated humanitarian mission, has historically served as a covert tool for projecting U.S. power and influence abroad, engaging in political warfare tactics like sponsoring media, arts, and civil society groups aligned with U.S. interests.

The conversation explores USAID's alleged use of culture and the arts to shape foreign narratives and promote anti-government sentiment, as well as its role in influencing judicial systems and elections in other countries. Benz asserts that USAID has circumvented oversight to engage in these influence operations that potentially undermine national sovereignty.

#2272 - Mike Benz

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Origins and Evolution of USAID in U.S. Foreign Policy

Mike Benz unveils USAID's origins and evolution beyond humanitarian aid. According to Benz:

USAID's Founding: Projecting U.S. Power

  • USAID was created in 1961 by JFK as part of a strategy to project U.S. power globally.
  • It took on covert operations deemed too "dirty" for the CIA to maintain U.S. plausible deniability.
  • Its mission included covertly sponsoring political movements, media, and civil society abroad to promote U.S. interests.

Post-1970s Transformation

After the Church Committee exposed CIA domestic surveillance:

  • USAID circumvented CIA restrictions, taking on similar covert functions without scrutiny.
  • It enabled unchecked "political warfare" abroad, such as funding the Mujahideen.

Benz asserts USAID subsumed CIA activities using familiar defenses against oversight, granting it unusual freedom compared to banks.

USAID's Covert Ops: Media, Arts, and Cultural Tactics

Benz explores USAID's alleged use of media, arts, and culture for influence operations.

Influencing Foreign Narratives

  • USAID funds media, NGOs, and civil groups to shape foreign narratives and politics.
  • It uses arts like hip hop to inspire anti-government protests, e.g. in Cuba and Bangladesh.
  • USAID partners with the military and intelligence for social media, influencers, and disinformation in political warfare.

Masking Political Aims

  • Initiatives like "Cuban Twitter" masked political motives as humanitarian aid.
  • USAID funds media groups like OCCRP, which Benz alleges adjust staffing/workplans to impose political changes aligned with U.S. interests, potentially promoting regime change.

USAID's Influence Over Foreign Judicial Systems and Elections

Manipulating Judicial Systems

  • USAID funds "judicial reforms" to install U.S.-friendly prosecutors and judges.
  • Tactics target U.S. political opponents, like efforts against Poland's Law and Justice Party.

Electoral Interference

  • USAID collaborates with agencies to influence foreign elections by backing preferred parties and candidates.
  • It funds, trains, and resources civil groups, media, and parties to shape elections for U.S. interests.
  • Benz suggests these actions undermine sovereignty and breach international norms.

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Counterarguments

  • USAID's primary mission is to promote development and humanitarian aid, not to serve as an instrument of covert operations.
  • The organization operates transparently in many countries, providing public reports on its activities and budgets.
  • USAID's work often involves collaboration with host governments and local partners, which is inconsistent with covert operations.
  • The use of soft power through cultural programs is a common and legitimate practice in international relations, not necessarily covert or manipulative.
  • Judicial reforms funded by USAID can be aimed at strengthening the rule of law and improving legal systems, rather than installing U.S.-friendly figures.
  • USAID's involvement in media and civil society can be part of supporting free speech and democratic institutions, rather than imposing political changes.
  • Allegations of electoral interference would need to be substantiated by evidence, and USAID's official stance is to support fair and free elections.
  • The suggestion that USAID undermines sovereignty and breaches international norms could be challenged by the view that it operates with the consent and invitation of host countries.
  • The comparison of USAID's activities to those of the CIA may be misleading, as the two agencies have different mandates and methods of operation.
  • The effectiveness of USAID's programs in promoting development and stability can be seen as a counterargument to claims that it primarily serves as a tool for political warfare.

Actionables

  • You can enhance your critical thinking by researching the history and current activities of international aid organizations to understand their impact on global politics. Start by visiting the official websites of these organizations to read about their missions and programs, then look for independent analyses or news articles that discuss their operations in various countries. This will help you form a more nuanced view of how aid can be used as a tool for influence.
  • Develop media literacy by analyzing news sources that receive funding from international aid organizations. When you come across an article or report, check the funding disclosures, if available, and consider how the financial backing might influence the content. This practice will sharpen your ability to discern potential biases and agendas in the information you consume.
  • Engage in local community discussions or online forums about the ethical implications of foreign aid and influence. Share your findings and perspectives from the research you've done on aid organizations, and encourage others to consider how these practices might affect international relations and sovereignty. This can foster a more informed and critical public discourse on the subject.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

Origins and Evolution of Usaid in U.S. Foreign Policy

The United States Agency for International Development (USAID) is traditionally viewed as a humanitarian aid organization, but its origins and evolution in U.S. foreign policy tell a more complex story of power, influence, and covert operations.

Usaid Was Created In 1961 by Kennedy to Manage the Empire and Project U.S. Influence Abroad

Mike Benz unveils the creation of USAID, shedding light on its intended functions beyond mere charity.

Usaid Was Created to Take Over Covert Operations and "Dirty Tricks" From the Cia for Plausible Deniability by the U.S. Government

JFK established USAID in 1961 not just for charitable reasons but also as part of a larger strategy to project U.S. power globally. According to Benz, USAID took on operations deemed too dirty for the CIA to maintain plausible deniability by the U.S. government.

Usaid's Mission: Covertly Promote U.S. Interests By Sponsoring Political Movements, Media, and Civil Society Abroad

Benz discusses USAID’s covert role in promoting U.S. interests abroad. This involved sponsoring political movements, media, and civil society under the guise of foreign aid to ensure outcomes favorable to the U.S.

Usaid's Evolution Post-1970s Church Committee Exposing Cia Surveillance of U.S. Citizens

Following 1970s revelations about CIA activities, USAID’s operations underwent a transformation.

Circumventing Cia Restrictions: Covert Ops Funneled Through Usaid

Benz points out that following the Church Committee hearings, which led to increased oversight of the CIA, USAID began performing functions similar to those the CIA previously undertook without as much scrutiny or the need for presidential authorization.

U.S. Pursued Unchecked "Political Warfare" Abroad

USAID's operations evolved to continue the practice of unchecked "political warfare" abroad, with Benz alluding to activities such as funding groups like the Mujahideen, influencing domestic politics to quell anti-Vietnam War sentiments, and funneling money without the usual counterterrorism checks.

Benz outlines how USAID not only helped with the groundwork for covert operations but also became deeply enmeshed with the broader "foreign policy establishment" weaponizing its influence agai ...

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  • USAID's primary mission is to promote development and humanitarian assistance, not to serve as a front for covert operations.
  • The creation of USAID was part of a broader effort to provide a more organized and effective means of delivering foreign aid, reflecting the ideals of the Kennedy administration to support emerging nations.
  • The Church Committee reforms led to significant changes in oversight and operations of U.S. intelligence agencies, which would include any activities by USAID, increasing transparency and accountability.
  • USAID operates in a wide range of countries with diverse programs that are publicly documented, suggesting that covert operations are not its central function.
  • The agency has been a leader in promoting global health, food security, environmental sustainability, and education, which are critical components of international development and not inherently tied to covert operations.
  • USAID's work often involves collaboration with host governments, local NGOs, and international partners, which would be inconsistent with a primary focus on covert operations.
  • The suggestion that USAID is deeply involved in covert operations like the CIA could undermine the trust and cooperation of international partners and local populations that are essential for the success of its development programs.
  • The agency is subjec ...

Actionables

  • Educate yourself on the history of international relations by reading books that cover the evolution of foreign aid and covert operations, focusing on the role of agencies like USAID and the CIA. This will give you a broader context for understanding current events and the actions of your own government. For example, you might pick up "The Brothers: John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles, and Their Secret World War" by Stephen Kinzer to get started.
  • Develop critical media literacy skills by analyzing news sources for potential biases and underlying agendas, especially when they report on international affairs. Pay attention to the language used and compare multiple sources to get a well-rounded view. You could use online tools like Media Bias/Fact Check to assess the reliability and bias of different media outlets. ...

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Usaid's Covert Ops: Media, Arts, and Cultural Tactics

Mike Benz and others delve into the extensive influence operation orchestrated by the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), suggesting that its activities are often framed as humanitarian while serving political purposes.

Usaid Funds Media, Ngos, and Civil Groups to Influence Foreign Narratives and Politics

Usaid Utilizes Arts to Promote Pro-u.s. Messaging and Inspire Protests Against Foreign Governments

USAID's influence extends to cultural tactics, where Benz implies USAID's complete infiltration of the music industry. This includes sponsoring hip hop artists in Cuba and Bangladesh to inspire an anti-government sentiment that could lead to protests. In one detailed example, USAID wrote rap albums in Bangladesh with the goal of destabilizing the country through State Department-backed riots. Benz also discusses the support of Pussy Riot in Russia as another case where artistic activism played a role in creating an international incident.

Usaid Partnered With U.S. Military and Intelligence for Social Media, Influencers, and Disinformation in Political Warfare Efforts

Benz refers to the Pentagon and USAID as being involved in music diplomacy programs, part of the "hearts and minds" work, which extends to training celebrities like Taylor Swift for psychological operations. He hints at USAID's involvement in covert operations that could suggest partnerships with military and intelligence for political warfare initiatives, like sponsoring groups that operate in a similar vein to the Mujahideen, shifting the power dynamics in foreign politics and narratives.

Usaid's Efforts Often Mask Political Aims as Humanitarian or Development Initiatives

Usaid Funded "Cuban Twitter" and Sponsored Rappers in Cuba and Bangladesh to Promote Anti-Government Messages

USAID's alleged role in projecting U.S. influence takes on various forms. Benz mentions "Cuban Twitter," or Zunzuneo, an initiative reportedly funded as a humanitarian endeavor but aimed at building a subscriber base to eventually push political content and incite Cuban protests. He points to documents revealing the intent to leverage Zunzuneo's non-controversial content to ...

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Counterarguments

  • USAID's primary mission is to promote development and humanitarian assistance globally, which can inherently influence local politics due to the nature of international aid.
  • Cultural diplomacy and funding for the arts can be seen as a form of soft power that is a legitimate and non-coercive tool in international relations.
  • The partnership between USAID and other U.S. agencies could be part of interagency collaboration to ensure the efficient use of resources and expertise in areas of mutual interest.
  • The promotion of democratic values and human rights, which may align with U.S. interests, can also be consistent with the broader goals of international development and global stability.
  • Media funding, such as support for investigative journalism, can contribute to transparency and accountability in governance, which is a widely recognized component of good governance and not necessarily a tool for political manipulation.
  • The use of social media platforms for communication is a common practice among many international development agencies to engag ...

Actionables

  • You can enhance your media literacy by researching the funding sources of news outlets and NGOs. By understanding who finances these organizations, you'll be better equipped to discern potential biases in the information they present. For example, if you come across an article on international affairs, look up the publisher and check if they have any affiliations or financial support from government agencies or political groups.
  • Develop a habit of cross-referencing news stories with multiple international sources. This practice will help you identify consistencies and discrepancies in reporting, giving you a broader perspective on how different geopolitical interests might shape narratives. When you read about an international event, find reports from media outlets based in different regions and compare their takes on the story.
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Usaid's Influence Over Foreign Judicial Systems and Elections

USAID's influence extends beyond aid and into the very judicial systems and electoral processes of other countries, with tactics that aim to entrench U.S. interests, sometimes undermining sovereignty and breaching international norms.

Usaid Manipulates Foreign Judicial Systems By Funding "Reforms" to Install U.S.-friendly Prosecutors and Judges

Usaid Tactics Against U.S. Government Political Opponents, Including Efforts to Oust Poland's Law and Justice Party

Mike Benz brings to light USAID's method of "judicial reform," suggesting it financially influences legal systems globally to serve U.S. foreign policy interests. For example, he speaks about a judge in Brazil, referred to as the "Lord Voldemort Judge," who attended a seminar funded by USAID and the NED. This seminar was part of the SEPS program, aiming for foreign countries to pass censorship laws. Benz also notes USAID's potential influence on the judiciary in Brazil, where it targets President Bolsonaro with anti-misinformation actions.

He discusses the case of Poland, where the National Endowment for Democracy has pressured for the arrest of members of the Law and Justice Party (PiS) to "stamp out populism." An article in the NED's Journal of Democracy even suggests that transitional justice should apply to the arrest of individuals from the opposing political party. Benz alleges that USAID advises the Polish government on which citizens to arrest to maintain power.

Usaid Collaborated With U.S. Agencies to Influence Foreign Elections By Backing Preferred Parties and Candidates

Benz conveys USAID's suspected involvement in foreign electoral processes, citing the backing of political figures like Donald Tusk in Poland. The involvement of the NED, termed a CIA front group, in recommending the arrest of high-ranking PiS members and its intention to prevent the return of populism in forthcoming elections suggests a clear interest in influencing electoral outcomes.

Benz further insinuates that USAID may fund groups that the CIA wants to keep at a distance, a strategy that allows for the support of certain factions or parties in foreign electoral contexts.

Usaid's Electoral Interventions Entrench U.S. Influence and Destabilize Resistant Governments

USAID's electoral interventions are not merely about aid but about a deeper entrenchment of U.S. influence. Benz contends that USAID's work involves ensuring the suppression of oppositional political movements, using judicial and electoral systems as tools.

Usaid Funds, Trains, and Resources Civil Groups, Media, and Political Parties to Shape Elections For U.S. Interests

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  • USAID's work in judicial reform is often requested by host countries seeking to strengthen their legal systems and rule of law, which can lead to more stable and fair governance.
  • Funding reforms to install U.S.-friendly prosecutors and judges may also be interpreted as support for anti-corruption measures and the promotion of international legal standards.
  • Efforts against political parties or individuals may be part of broader anti-corruption campaigns rather than targeted political maneuvers.
  • USAID's involvement in foreign elections could be seen as support for democratic processes, providing technical assistance and monitoring to ensure free and fair elections.
  • Electoral interventions by USAID are often part of international efforts, in collaboration with other countries and organizations, to support democracy and human rights.
  • Funding and training civil groups, media, and political parties can be part of capacity-building initiatives to strengthen civil society and indepen ...

Actionables

  • You can educate yourself on the impact of foreign aid by reading about different countries' perspectives on international assistance. Look for articles and books written by authors from countries that receive aid to understand how they perceive foreign intervention in their judicial and electoral systems. This will give you a more nuanced view of the global effects of such aid and may influence your opinions and actions regarding foreign policy advocacy.
  • Start a discussion group with friends or community members to talk about the sovereignty and ethics of international aid. Use the group as a platform to explore the complexities of foreign aid, such as the balance between helping nations develop and respecting their autonomy. This can lead to a deeper understanding of the political implications of aid and might inspire more informed voting or advocac ...

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