In this episode of The Game, Alex Hormozi examines a struggling waste management company, analyzing its financial challenges and operational inefficiencies. Through a detailed assessment, he identifies the key issues affecting the company's profitability: high capital costs, underutilized assets, and substantial repair expenses, all contributing to significant losses despite generating $642,000 in revenue.
The episode breaks down the company's customer segments, sales strategies, and cash flow problems, with Hormozi offering specific solutions. He explores the differences between residential and HOA customers, evaluates the effectiveness of door-to-door sales versus other acquisition channels, and addresses the gap between customer acquisition costs and lifetime value. The discussion provides a practical framework for understanding and solving common business challenges in service-based industries.

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Alex Hormozi analyzes a struggling waste management company that's experiencing significant losses. With revenue at $642k and net profit at -$151k (resulting in -23% margins), the business faces challenges primarily due to its capital-intensive nature. Hormozi identifies three main issues: high capital costs, inefficient asset utilization (with trucks running at only 50% capacity), and substantial repair costs—reaching $100,000 for a single truck.
The business serves two distinct customer segments: scattered residential customers and HOA customers, each contributing 50% of revenue. Scattered customers, typically lower-income, pay $29.67 monthly, while HOA customers, generally higher-income, have varying prices based on factors like trash volume and location. The company currently serves 1,000 scattered residential customers and 13 HOAs, totaling 2,500 doors.
Door-to-door sales emerge as the company's primary acquisition channel, accounting for 50% of new customers. The owner closes at 26%, while a recently hired salesperson achieves a 33% close rate. Hormozi suggests scaling this effort by hiring more commission-based salespeople. The company also employs Meta ads ($600 monthly) and cold outreach to HOAs, though Hormozi advises focusing primarily on door-to-door sales for maximum effectiveness.
The business struggles with cash flow due to significant upfront onboarding costs. Hormozi identifies that the company needs to earn at least $208 per customer to maintain positive cash flow, despite currently charging $199 for the first transaction. To address this gap, they discuss implementing additional fees and incentives for longer-term prepayment, while maintaining a customer acquisition cost of $51 against a lifetime value of $1,000.
1-Page Summary
Alex Hormozi assesses the company's financial struggle, pinpointing high capital costs, inefficient asset use, and repair costs as contributing factors.
During the discussion, it's highlighted that the business is undergoing financial hardship. The revenue stands at $642,000; however, the net profit is in the negative at -$151,000, resulting in net margins of -23%. This is a significant indicator of the company's struggles, which are further illustrated by the high capital costs and inefficient asset use.
Hormozi delves into the factors that contribute to these losses, notably the capital-intensive nature of the waste management industry. One particular point of concern is that one of their trucks is operating at only half its capacity, signaling inefficient utilization of assets.
Moreover, the burden of unexpected repairs is touching on the financial stability of the business; the ...
Business Model and Financials
In a discussion between Alex Hormozi and the caller, they elaborate on how their business caters to distinct segments in the waste management industry, focusing on residential and HOA customers with tailored sales strategies and pricing schemes.
The company's service area primarily consists of homes within HOAs, estimated at around 70%. They differentiate their customer base between scattered residential customers and HOA customers.
The caller elaborates that the revenue is split evenly between the two customer types—scattered customers and HOA customers—each contributing 50% to the revenue. The scattered customers, or "scatter," are typically lower-income, while the HOA customers are of higher-income.
For the scattered residential customers, the company's pricing is $29.67 a month, billed quarterly at $89. An introductory promotion offers three months free, spread out over the second, third, and fourth invoices. In contrast, pricing for HOA customers varies significantly depending on factors such as home type, trash volume, number of units, and proximity to the current route; they are billed monthly.
Hormozi notes that the company services a thousand scattered residential customers, 13 HOAs, and 2,500 doors collectively. The caller expresses the belief that HOAs present a better opportunity and cites a competitor's strategy that focuses only on scattere ...
Customer Segmentation and Targeting
The discussion revolves around identifying and optimizing customer acquisition channels for a company. The main focus is on the growth strategy through door-to-door sales, alongside other methods like paid ads and cold outreach for customer acquisition.
The conversation highlights the varying success of different acquisition channels.
Alex Hormozi’s conversation with the caller centers on door-to-door sales as the backbone of the customer acquisition strategy. The caller acquired customers by knocking on approximately 300 doors a week, averaging a close rate of around 26%. A salesperson hired three weeks ago closes at a higher rate and averages five to seven deals a day. Hormozi emphasizes scaling door-to-door efforts by hiring more commission-based salespeople, suggesting that a team of 10 could collectively knock on 20,000 doors by year-end. The caller notes that door-to-door sales have recently accounted for 50% of new customers due to active involvement in the field.
The caller spends $600 a month on Meta ads, with past expenditures amounting to $7,500. Clicks from these ads totaled 3,500, resulting in 153 sales. As advertising spend increases, the cost per lead also rises. Hormozi suggests paid ads might not be necessary and advises focused efforts on door-to-door sales.
Cold outreach strategies are discussed, including cold emailing and handwritten letters, to reach HOA clients. Hormozi points out that for a more personal approach, the owner could visit two HOAs a day or seven in one day each week. The caller states that after initial contact, they often receive follow-up interest from property managers. Hormozi also notes that the caller should account for their own time when calculating cold outreach costs.
The strategy meeting detailed the importance of perfecting sales tactics, with Hormozi emphasizing role-playing in training and perfecting an opener since the first five seconds are critical. Hormozi recommends running ad ...
Sales and Acquisition Strategy
The conversation between the caller and Alex Hormozi addresses the financial challenges businesses face from upfront onboarding costs and how to manage cash flow and profitability.
The caller and Hormozi acknowledge the complexity of managing cash flow when a business encounters considerable upfront costs in fulfilling services after initial customer payments.
The business's cost per customer includes commissions, labor, and the cost of bins that the business fronts for customers. During the call, various elements of the cost structure, such as truck breakdowns, labor, and dump fees, were discussed, highlighting the diverse expenses that play into onboarding a customer.
The caller elaborated on performance metrics including a customer acquisition cost (CAC) of $51, a lifetime value (LTV) of a thousand dollars, yielding a 21 to one LTV to CAC ratio, and a gross margin that currently stands at 26% but is expected to rise to 40% with efficiency improvements.
To sustain operations, Hormozi emphasizes the business's need to achieve a certain revenue threshold per customer. They discuss a crucial aspect of cash flow: the balance between the costs sustained by the business upfront and the customer's initial payment. Leveraging strategies such as QR codes and a potential $5 price increase for QR code removal were part of a targeted solution to increase profitability.
Hormozi zeros in on the total cost of onboarding a customer at $208 and addresses the challenge of covering these costs with a first transaction of $199. He considers a pricing structure that includes a $49 bin fee and a $49 initiation fee to cover the costs of the first quarter's labor, with the initiation fee representing the commission. Despite the total costs falling short of the $208+ initially stated, they outline a plan to ensure that the average earnings per customer meet or exceed the required threshold.
The business must earn at ...
Cash Flow and Profitability
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