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Bootstrapped to Millions Without Loans or Investors | Ep 906

By Alex Hormozi

In this episode of The Game, Alex Hormozi tackles the challenges of growing a business without external funding. He addresses complex partnership dynamics, offering practical solutions for managing ownership structures and ensuring fair compensation. The discussion covers operational improvements, including staff retention strategies and dynamic pricing models to optimize revenue during peak periods.

Hormozi also explores methods to enhance customer experience and boost recurring revenue through membership programs. He outlines specific approaches for tracking marketing effectiveness, suggesting ways to improve lead generation and follow-up processes. The episode provides concrete strategies for business owners looking to scale their operations using existing resources, with a focus on sustainable growth through improved systems and careful financial management.

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Resolving Partnership/Ownership Issues

Ani faces complex partnership challenges involving three sets of partners with misaligned goals and varying levels of involvement. As the partner handling most of the work without taking a salary, Ani seeks solutions for fair compensation and business growth. Hormozi suggests two main options: increasing Ani's profit share without changing ownership structure, or consolidating ownership through buyouts or equity swaps between partners. He emphasizes approaching these discussions with transparency and clear expectations to maintain positive relationships.

Improving Operations and Customer Experience

To address staffing challenges, Hormozi recommends implementing a career development program with tiered titles and regular compensation changes to boost retention. He advises using dynamic pricing during peak periods (Thursday through Saturday) with a 20% increase and suggests using the BAMFAM (book a meeting from a meeting) method to secure client rebookings. This approach, combined with basic sales training, can help overcome booking objections and smooth out facility demand.

Developing and Optimizing a Membership Program

The business currently offers various membership perks, including free facials, product discounts, and referral bonuses. Hormozi suggests structuring membership options with pre-payment discounts: 10% for six months and 15% for twelve months. He recommends presenting membership as the default option during booking and utilizing the checkout process to encourage annual pre-payment, potentially offering the current service free with a 12-month commitment.

Optimizing Marketing and Lead Generation

While the business spends $1,000 monthly on Google ads per location, Hormozi identifies opportunities for improvement in lead tracking and follow-up. He recommends implementing comprehensive lead source tracking through methods like sign-in sheets and ID checks, hiring a dedicated lead follow-up specialist for immediate contact with potential clients, and significantly increasing the marketing budget to drive growth once reliable tracking is established.

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  • Increasing Ani's profit share or consolidating ownership might not address the root cause of misalignment and could potentially lead to further conflict among partners.
  • Transparency and clear expectations are important, but they may not be sufficient to maintain positive relationships if the underlying issues are not effectively resolved.
  • A career development program is beneficial, but it may not be feasible for all businesses due to resource constraints, and it might not address all the factors affecting staff retention.
  • Dynamic pricing could potentially alienate customers who are sensitive to price changes or who feel penalized for booking during peak times.
  • The BAMFAM method assumes customers are willing to commit to future bookings on the spot, which may not always be the case.
  • Basic sales training might not be comprehensive enough to address deeper issues in customer service and experience.
  • Structuring membership options with pre-payment discounts could lead to cash flow issues if not managed properly.
  • Presenting membership as the default option might be perceived as pushy and could turn off some customers.
  • Comprehensive lead source tracking is useful, but it may not capture the nuances of why customers choose to engage or not, and could lead to privacy concerns.
  • Hiring a dedicated lead follow-up specialist increases costs and may not yield a sufficient return on investment if lead quality is low.
  • Increasing the marketing budget significantly should be done cautiously, as it assumes that the additional spend will lead to proportional growth, which is not always the case.

Actionables

  • You can draft a partnership charter to outline shared goals and responsibilities, ensuring everyone is on the same page. Start by gathering all partners for a meeting to discuss long-term objectives and daily operations. Document these discussions in a charter that includes how decisions are made, how profits are distributed, and how new partners can be integrated or existing ones can exit.
  • Develop a gamified loyalty program that rewards clients for behaviors beyond purchases, like social media shares or bringing a friend. Create a point system where clients earn points for various interactions with your business. These points can then be redeemed for services or products, encouraging engagement and word-of-mouth marketing.
  • Create a simple feedback tool for clients to suggest peak times and services they desire, helping you adjust your dynamic pricing model effectively. Use a digital survey or a suggestion box in your facility to collect data on when clients prefer to book appointments and what services they value most. Analyze this feedback to identify peak periods and adjust your pricing accordingly.

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Resolving Partnership/Ownership Issues

Ani is facing complex partnership problems that are affecting the operation and future growth of her business. To address these challenges, options for restructuring the partnerships are being considered.

Evaluate Partnership Structure and Dynamics

Ani’s partnership structure involves three sets of partners, with different levels of involvement affecting the business’s customer service and fulfillment. Issues have arisen due to a lack of alignment in goals and involvement among the partners. Ani, who does most of the work, particularly in marketing and scaling, doesn’t take a salary and feels this arrangement is unfair, especially when compared to another partner who cannot manage or train staff due to their full-time career and new baby.

Partners' Misaligned Goals and Involvement Cause Operational Issues

Ani has taken on responsibilities that were not initially hers and is looking for a way to grow the business that aligns with her vision, which is larger than what her partners foresee. Hormozi identifies the crux of the issue, which is the misaligned goals between Ani and her partners, leading to discrepancies in workload management and compensation, affecting both current operations and potential expansion.

Consider Options for Restructuring Partnerships

Hormozi discusses potential solutions to resolve the partnership imbalances Ani experiences.

Option 1: Increase Caller's Profit and Responsibilities Without Changing Ownership

One option is to increase Ani’s profit share to compensate for her additional responsibilities, without changing the ownership structure. Hormozi highlights the possibility of defining roles within the business that might be unfilled and should be compensated at market rates. This would keep the ownership structure intact while adjusting profit sharing to reflect the actual work done.

Option 2: Consolidate Ownership By Buying Out or Swapping Equity With Underperforming Partners

Another option Hormozi suggests is for Ani to buy out the underperforming partner or offer to be bought out herself using a "shotgun offer." T ...

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  • Increasing Ani's profit share might not address the root cause of the misalignment and could lead to further issues if not all partners agree on the value of her contributions.
  • Defining roles and compensating at market rates assumes that the business has the financial capacity to do so, which may not be the case.
  • Buying out underperforming partners can be financially challenging and may not be feasible if the business or Ani lacks the necessary capital.
  • The "shotgun offer" approach assumes that both parties are willing and able to buy out the other, which might not be true and could lead to additional conflict.
  • An equity swap could lead to further complications if the businesses at different locations are not of equal value or if there are outstanding liabilities.
  • Transparency and clear expectations are ideal but may not always lead to a beneficial solution if the partners have fundamentally different visions or if there is a power imbalance.
  • Direct communicat ...

Actionables

  • You can create a partnership charter to preemptively address potential conflicts by outlining how decisions will be made, how profits will be shared, and how roles will be defined. This document should be co-created with all partners to ensure everyone's expectations are aligned from the start. For example, you might include a section on conflict resolution that specifies a mediator or a process for voting on key issues.
  • Consider implementing a regular partnership review, much like a performance review, where each partner assesses their contributions and satisfaction with the partnership. This could be done annually or biannually and would involve a structured questionnaire that partners fill out, followed by a discussion to address any disparities in workload or compensation. This keeps the dialogue open and ongoing, rather than waiting for tensions to build.
  • Explore the use of a third-p ...

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Improving Operations and Customer Experience

Address Staffing and Training Challenges

The caller mentions they offer training to advance their team's techniques, which is an important retention tool. Alex Hormozi suggests focusing on a career path for team members as a way to keep more staff. There's a real challenge in effectively training new hires, a vital part of a business model that relies on taking individuals with low skill, training them quickly, and charging more for their improved skills in the market.

Managers Focus More On Services Than Managing, Causing Training and Quality Issues

Managers are currently spending most of their time performing services rather than training new employees, leading to a lag in new employee training and inconsistencies in service fulfillment. This neglect in proper training is affecting the performance of some locations.

Launch a Career Development Program to Boost Retention and Skills

Retention improves profit margins, as a more skilled team attracts returning customers. Hormozi recommends creating a tiered title system, like Junior, Normal, and Senior technicians and artists, with title and compensation changes every three months to motivate employees. Regular, repetitive role-playing should be used for training, ensuring staff learn and retain skills. Also, it's crucial to swiftly correct mistakes during training and encourage immediate retakes.

Optimize Scheduling and Pricing

Implement Peak Period Dynamic Pricing

With busier times typically being Thursday through Saturday, dynamic pricing is advised due to the higher demand and lesser supply. Hormozi suggests increasing prices during peak periods by 20% and framing off-peak discounts to encourage demand smoothing. He also mentions using memberships to avoid surge pricing during busy times.

Ensure Clients Rebook Appointments After Each Service

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  • Training may not be the only factor in retention; work-life balance, company culture, and competitive salaries also play significant roles.
  • A career path is beneficial, but not all employees may be motivated by promotions; some may seek other forms of recognition or personal development opportunities.
  • Managers might lack the time or skills for effective training; outsourcing or hiring dedicated trainers could be more efficient.
  • A tiered title system could create unnecessary hierarchy or competition among staff, potentially harming teamwork and morale.
  • Regular role-playing might not suit all learning styles; a variety of training methods could be more inclusive and effective.
  • Immediate correction of mistakes during training could be discouraging; constructive feedback and a supportive environment might yield better results.
  • Dynamic pricing could alienate loyal customers or those with fixed incomes who cannot afford increased rates during peak times.
  • Off-peak discounts might not be enough to shift demand if customers have inflexible schedules.
  • Memberships could create a two-tier system where non-members feel penalized, potentially re ...

Actionables

  • You can create a mentorship program within your organization to enhance on-the-job training. Pair new hires with experienced employees who can provide one-on-one guidance, share insights, and offer immediate feedback in real-world scenarios. This approach can help bridge the gap between formal training sessions and actual work demands, ensuring that new team members are more quickly integrated and skilled.
  • Develop a simple app or use existing project management software to track and plan individual career development within your company. Employees can set career goals, and managers can monitor progress and suggest opportunities for advancement. This keeps career paths at the forefront of both the employee's and manager's minds, making it a tangible part of the work experience rather than an abstract concept.
  • Introduce a customer feedback system that dir ...

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Developing and Optimizing a Membership Program

Alex Hormozi highlights the importance of a well-structured membership program with compelling offers and incentives to ensure customer retention and business stability.

Design a Compelling Membership Offering

Creating an attractive membership program involves offering tangible benefits that are hard to refuse.

Benefits: Free Discounts, Referral Bonuses, Anniversary/Birthday Gifts

A caller reveals that their membership includes perks such as free facials for monthly members, product discounts, and increased referral bonuses from $10 to $50. They also provide anniversary and birthday gifts to members, elementing added value to the membership.

Hormozi suggests structuring membership offers with considerable value, aiming to make the deal irresistibly good. For instance, he considers the inclusion of free facials each visit as part of the membership quite compelling. Another novel idea is incorporating sweepstakes into the membership, where members can win valuable prizes monthly, further driving referrals and engagement.

Membership Options With Pre-payment Discounts to Improve Retention

The caller and Hormozi discuss new membership program tiers: monthly, six-month, and 12-month options, where customers can pay upfront for six and twelve months. To encourage prepayment, discounts of 10% for six months and 15% for 12 months are offered. Hormozi notes the advantages of prepayment, such as reduced churn rates, immediate cash flow, and secured future business.

Ani, a participant in the discussion, considers the importance of a product improvement process to decrease churn and increase upsells, with the goal of retaining 70% or more customers past three months.

Integrate Membership Upsells Into the Sales Process

Hormozi recommends focusing on improving the upsell process, a critical area for business growth.

Default Membership During Booking

During or before the current appointment, try to book the next session for clients, leading to a natural progression to discuss membership opportunities. Hormozi advises framing membership as if customers have technically been part of the program and just need official confirmation to unlock benefits they've been missing.

He suggests making membership appear as the default option to increase opt-in rates, citing a study on organ donation. The presumption is that customers are already in membership, simply needing to affirm to receive existing ...

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  • While offering tangible benefits can attract members, it may not be sustainable for all business models due to the costs involved.
  • Increasing referral bonuses significantly might not always result in a proportional increase in referrals if the underlying service or product is not meeting customer expectations.
  • Sweepstakes can drive engagement, but they may also attract members who are only interested in winning prizes rather than being genuinely interested in the business's offerings.
  • Pre-payment discounts can improve retention, but they may also attract customers who are only interested in the short-term savings and may not renew once the initial period ends.
  • A focus on upselling can sometimes lead to aggressive sales tactics that may turn off some customers and damage the business's reputation.
  • Framing membership as the default option could be seen as presumptive and might not be well-received by all customers, especially those who value transparency and choice.
  • Offering the day’s service as a free discount for annual sign-ups might not be cost-effective for the business in the long run.
  • Sales training and co ...

Actionables

  • You can create a personalized reward tracker to monitor your engagement with businesses that offer membership programs. Use a simple spreadsheet or a notebook to log each interaction, purchase, or referral you make that's tied to a membership program. This will help you see the value you're getting and motivate you to take advantage of the benefits offered, such as discounts or gifts, which in turn supports the business's retention efforts.
  • Develop a habit of asking about long-term membership options when you frequent a service provider. By inquiring about six or twelve-month prepayment discounts, you not only potentially save money but also encourage businesses to consider offering these options if they don't already, which can improve their cash flow and customer loyalty.
  • Consider organizing a small grou ...

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Optimizing Marketing and Lead Generation

Discussion unfolds around the crucial steps that businesses need to take to optimize their marketing efforts and lead generation, with specific emphasis on understanding and improving lead tracking, follow-up processes, and allocating adequate resources to marketing investments.

Improve Lead Attribution and Tracking

The conversation underscores the importance of precisely identifying the sources from which clients are coming.

Capture Lead Source Data and Track Marketing Effectiveness

Alex Hormozi addresses tracking and attribution of ad spend, noting that understanding whether clients come from organic SEO or paid ads is vital. Although the Caller spends a thousand dollars a month on Google ads for each location, it remains unclear if this leads to client acquisition. Hormozi stresses the importance of integrating ads and attribution with brick-and-mortar operations, suggesting methods like ID checks upon appointment confirmations to verify client sources. He also advocates for a dropdown on sign-in sheets for clients to indicate where they heard about the business. Additionally, Hormozi suggests confirming payment card details and acquiring referrals to track marketing efforts effectively. By collecting such data, businesses can avoid poor investment decisions and focus on the most rewarding marketing strategies.

Enhance Lead Follow-Up Processes

Hormozi identifies a gap in the Caller’s lead follow-up process, noting the need for prompt and efficient contact.

Hire Lead Follow-Up Specialist to Promptly Contact Leads

He advises the Caller to hire someone dedicated to calling leads within one minute of their inquiry, which will help resolve the lead generation issue. This approach aims to improve conversion rates by making immediate connections with potential custo ...

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  • While tracking and attribution are important, they can sometimes be imprecise due to multi-touch attribution complexities and privacy regulations that limit tracking capabilities.
  • Overemphasis on data collection for lead source attribution might raise privacy concerns among clients who are increasingly sensitive about their personal information.
  • Hiring a lead follow-up specialist may not be cost-effective for all businesses, especially small ones with limited budgets; automation might be a more scalable solution.
  • Immediate contact with leads, such as within one minute, might not always be feasible or could be perceived as intrusive by some potential clients.
  • Increasing the marketing budget does not guarantee a proportional increase in client acquisition; diminishing returns can occur, and there are often more factors at play than just ad spend.
  • Focusing too heavily on paid acquisition strategies like Google ads might neglect the long-term value and sustainability of organic growth channels.
  • The recommendation to ramp up ad spend after establishing reliable tracking assumes that the tracking data is always ...

Actionables

  • You can enhance your understanding of customer behavior by starting a simple referral tracking system using a spreadsheet. Create a column for each customer and note how they heard about your business, whether it was through a friend, an online ad, or another source. This will help you see patterns in how customers find you and which channels are most effective.
  • Improve your response time to inquiries by setting up automated email or text acknowledgments. Use a free email automation tool to send a thank you message whenever someone submits a query through your website, ensuring they know their message has been received and will be addressed promptly.
  • Experiment with a small-scale ad ca ...

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