In this episode of The Diary Of A CEO, Steven Bartlett explores the impacts of sexual liberation and technological advances on modern relationships, gender dynamics, and family structures. The discussion examines how birth control and shifting cultural values have influenced women's roles in society, while also addressing the challenges young men face in education and employment.
The conversation delves into debates around feminism's interaction with capitalism, particularly regarding work-life balance and caregiving roles. The speakers address the effects of modern pornography on intimate relationships, consider the biological differences between men and women in nurturing contexts, and examine how current policies and social structures shape relationships between genders. The discussion includes multiple perspectives on these societal changes, from celebrating increased freedoms to questioning their broader implications.
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Louise Perry discusses how technological advancements like the washing machine and the birth control pill revolutionized women's roles in society. While Deborah France-White celebrates these changes for offering women greater freedom, Perry notes they represent a broader cultural shift away from traditional values.
The revolution has led to increased acceptance of casual sex, though this comes with complications. Erika Komisar points out that many young women experience depression and anxiety after casual sexual encounters, while Perry explains that college campus dynamics often favor men's sexual preferences. France-White advocates for sexual freedom, but Komisar emphasizes the importance of emotional connections and family building in sex education.
Perry argues that modern society isn't effectively channeling young men's energy into productive roles. Komisar and France-White discuss how men feel marginalized, particularly in education where women now make up 60% of college students. The "manosphere" has emerged as a reaction to these changes, though Perry attributes this more to economic changes that have devalued traditionally male jobs.
Komisar explains that biological differences between men and women affect their responses to nurturing, with boys being neurologically more fragile and sensitive to stress. While France-White advocates for shared values in education, Komisar suggests that separate educational structures might better serve each gender's unique needs.
Perry and Komisar discuss how some feminist ideologies may have inadvertently pressured women to adopt masculine models of success, potentially devaluing caregiving roles. Komisar suggests that some women feel pressured by feminist narratives to pursue lifestyles that don't bring them happiness.
The speakers criticize how capitalist systems exploit women's workforce participation while neglecting family structures. Perry specifically challenges government policies that exclusively support daycare, arguing they limit women's choices. Both Perry and France-White advocate for more comprehensive support measures that validate unpaid caregiving work.
Perry describes modern pornography as a "super stimulus" that can lead to dissatisfaction with normal sexual encounters and has been linked to erectile dysfunction. Komisar notes the evolution from less harmful two-dimensional pornography to more addictive modern video formats.
The debate over pornography regulation reveals complex ethical considerations. Perry argues that the porn industry is fundamentally unethical, citing high suicide rates among performers. While France-White advocates for regulatory discussions, particularly regarding violent content, Perry takes a stronger stance, suggesting that given the chance, she would end pornography completely.
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Louise Perry discusses the transformative social impact of the sexual revolution, particularly through technological advancements like the washing machine and inventions like the pill, which created an illusion of consequence-free sex. The pill, safe abortion access, and the decriminalization of abortion, Perry notes, have revolutionized women's roles in society. Domestic technologies decreased the time required to run a home, facilitating women's foray into the labor force.
Deborah France-White champions the sexual revolution for offering women emotional and reproductive freedom, citing new choices in life beyond the expectations of settling down with a partner. She sees the advent of the pill and increased sexual autonomy as enabling women to explore multiple partnerships and their sexuality. At the same time, Louise Perry suggests the revolution brought a broader cultural shift away from traditional Christian views on sex.
Steven Bartlett observes that societal acceptance of casual sex has surged since 1999. Deborah France-White values play in relationships, evidenced by her festival experience that embraced casual sex. However, Erika Komisar provides a counterpoint, highlighting the emotional toll the hookup culture can have, with many young women experiencing depression and anxiety post-casual sexual encounters. She critiques apps like Tinder that normalize transient sexual experiences, potentially resulting in emotional and physical danger.
Louise Perry states that the structure of college campuses can influence sexual culture, with a surplus of women leading to more prevalent hookup culture. She argues this culture favors men's preferences for multiple sexual partners and can lead to women navigating a tightrope of avoiding slut-shaming while not being considered frigid.
Every woman should want free sex and yet 82% of young women are depressed and anxious after casual sexual encounters. Each woman should want to go out to work and leave their Children in daycare, but we are doing terrible damage to our children by putting them in daycare.
Louise Perry and Erika Komisar offer nuanced views on the sexual revolution. While acknowledging its benefits, they also consider its potential negative impact on emotional and relational needs. France-White speaks to the struggle for emotional balance, suggesting ...
Impact of the Sexual Revolution on Women's Autonomy, Relationships, Family Life
Louise Perry and guests on the panel discuss the complexities of masculinity and the challenges that young men face today in light of societal changes and biological differences.
Louise Perry suggests that it's crucial for society to channel young men's energy into pro-social behaviors, as modern society isn't doing a great job at this. She contends that, while porn and video games have pacified men, making them less dangerous, their talents are not being well utilized, and they are not encouraged to become good husbands and fathers. Instead, society should encourage men to embrace "Dad Mode", aspiring to be providers and protectors.
Erika Komisar and Deborah France-White discuss the fear and powerlessness that young men experience in society's current climate. They mention the imbalance in society, where women now dominate over men, reflected in education with 60% of college and graduate students being women, leading to young men feeling marginalized.
Komisar highlights that men feel threatened by women's power over them, especially with the possibility of being accused within universities. Perry discusses the economic devaluation of men, which contributes to a sense of inadequacy among men who can't fulfill traditional provider roles. Women, on the other hand, feel resentful because fewer men can step up and care for a family.
France-White addresses the rise of messaging to young men that women are taking their place, causing them to feel lost. She argues that nurturing young boys is the solution, rather than asking girls to step back.
France-White comments on the concept of being a "high value woman," an idea stemming from anti-feminist ideologies in the manosphere, affecting both women's self-perception and men's perception of their roles. The term "manosphere" has been at the forefront of the conversation, as a reaction against changing gender dynamics and the perceived loss of traditional masculine power. Perry attributes the rise of the manosphere more to technological and economic changes that have devalued traditionally male jobs.
The Centre for Social Justice's report "Lost Boys" indicates that young men in the UK struggle in school and with mental health, lacking positive role models, leading them to the manosphere. This rise in male mental health issues, along with educational and employment setbacks, could be a contributing factor to the manosphere's growth.
The manosphere desires the privileges of masculinity without its responsibilities. Perry points out that gender roles come with both, such as men potentially dying for their country or family.
Erika Komisar states that men and women respond differently to nurturing due to hormonal differences and different brain activations. She explains that [restricted term] makes mothers more empathic and fathers more playful and risk-encouraging with their babies. Komisar suggests that boys are neurologically more fragile than girls, prone to aggression and behavioral problems, and are more sensitive to stres ...
Changing Dynamics, Masculinity, and Challenges Facing Young Men
The speakers discuss the complex relationship between feminism, capitalism, and policy, considering the impact of these forces in shaping societal norms and women's choices about family and professional lives.
Critics argue that some feminist ideologies may have unintentionally pressured women into adopting a masculine model of success. Louise Perry and Erika Komisar discuss concerns that feminism has sometimes aspired to make women emulate men in both professional and sexual realms, potentially devaluing traditional caregiving roles.
Erika Komisar asserts that some women feel bullied by the narrative of freedom that has come with the feminist movement, which sometimes leads to lifestyles that don't bring happiness, such as lives without intimate partners or children. Deborah France-White raises concerns about any element of feminism that induces guilt or shame in women or takes away their autonomy, suggesting criticism of feminist ideologies that may insist too much on sexual freedom at the expense of caregiving roles.
Komisar suggests that feminism has swung too far in some respects, pushing women out of traditional roles and contributing to a narrative that devalues motherhood and caregiving. Meanwhile, Louise Perry brings up the idea of "maternal feminism," which seeks to balance the valuing of both professional life and motherhood equally.
The discussants are receptive to feminist progress but also highlight that certain feminist agendas may overlook essential aspects of women's roles, such as caregiving, potentially leading to adverse effects on society and individual happiness.
The conversation also reveals concerns about how capitalist systems exploit women's workforce participation to the detriment of family structures and caregiving needs. Erika Komisar implies that governments, under the cover of feminism, boost GDP by urging women into the workforce, often neglecting the importance of their roles as caregivers.
Deborah France-White highlights the struggles faced by professional women, who despite contributing to the economic system, still face financial instability, emphasizing the failure of capitalism to provide for basic needs and the need for sufficient government support for caregiving roles.
Louise Perry criticizes government policies, such as support exclusively for daycare, that co ...
Feminism, Capitalism, and Policy In Shaping Societal Norms
Louise Perry and Erika Komisar delve into the controversial topic of pornography’s influence on society with a focus on men, women, and the relationships they form.
Contemporary pornography is burdened with accusations of eroding healthy relationships.
Louise Perry describes modern pornography as a "super stimulus," noting its compelling nature, particularly for visually stimulated men. She criticizes pornography for training the brain to prefer heightened experiences, leading to dissatisfaction with normal sexual encounters. Perry also mentions a link between compulsive porn use and erectile dysfunction during actual sex. Porn use is even anecdotally tied to a rise in erectile issues among men when engaging with a partner.
Deborah France-White adds that activities done in isolation, like viewing pornography, can contribute to addiction and breakdowns in communication, underscoring the potential damage to societal norms and relationships.
Erika Komisar laments the evolution from less harmful two-dimensional pornography to the more addictive modern video formats, drawing a symbolic line from the days of Playboy magazines to today's explicit content.
Both Perry and Komisar allude to the harmful effects of pornography's unrealistic expectations on real-life intimacy and relationships.
The complex debate over whether to ban or regulate pornography encapsulates issues of freedom, ethics, and harm reduction.
Louise Perry suggests that pornography poses a severe ethical dilemma, particularly impacting women involved in its production, alluding to high suicide rates among performers and calling the industry hideously unethical. She argues the porn industry is one of the "least feminist" sectors and criticizes feminists who prioritize sexual liberalism over the welfare of women in the industry.
Perry also contrasts mild ancient erotic art, like that found in Pompeii, with modern pornography, sparking debate over the suitabili ...
The Influence of Pornography on Intimacy and Relationships
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