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12 Angry New Yorkers

By Ben Shapiro

In this episode of The Ben Shapiro Show, Shapiro examines the legal case against Trump. He questions the lack of clarity surrounding the charges and jury instructions, arguing that the proceedings are viewed as politically motivated.

The discussion also covers the potential political impact, exploring Trump's prospects in the 2024 presidential election in light of his strong poll numbers among independents and Biden's struggling economic messaging and low approval ratings. Shapiro critiques the media's perceived bias and assesses the resonance of their framing of the case as a moral crusade.

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12 Angry New Yorkers

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Charges and Jury Instructions are Unclear

According to Ben Shapiro, the falsification of business records charges against Trump lack clarity on the underlying crime he allegedly covered up. The jury instructions also allow for a lack of unanimity on the underlying crime, which is highly irregular. Legal experts argue these bizarre charges and instructions make the conviction likely to be reversed on appeal.

Case Viewed as Politically Motivated

Shapiro and Trump allege the judge and prosecutors are engineering a conviction. The charges and proceedings are widely perceived as unfair and rigged against Trump, even by independents.

Political Impact

Trump's Future

Despite the case, Trump's poll numbers among independents remain strong. Many view the prosecution as partisan and unfair.

Biden's Struggles

Biden's economic messaging is failing to resonate, with voters viewing the economy negatively. His approval ratings are low, hurting electoral prospects. Shapiro portrays Biden as turning to partisan rhetoric unlikely to win over swing voters.

2024 Election

Trump remains a formidable contender, with strong poll numbers against Biden. Biden's unpopularity and doubts about the fairness of Trump's case undermine Democratic efforts to weaponize it.

Media Coverage

Perceived Bias

The media's coverage is seen as heavily biased, with commentators expressing open admiration for the judge despite his controversial rulings.

Failing to Sway Opinions

The media's attempts to portray the case as a prosecution victory are not resonating with the public. Their framing of a moral crusade against Trump is not convincing independents. Public skepticism about the media's fairness persists.

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Clarifications

  • The lack of clarity on the underlying crime in the falsification of business records charges against Trump suggests that the specific illegal activity being covered up by the falsified records is not clearly defined in the legal proceedings. This ambiguity can create challenges in proving the case beyond a reasonable doubt and may lead to confusion among jurors and legal experts. The absence of a clear link between the falsified records and a specific criminal act can weaken the prosecution's case and potentially impact the outcome of the trial.
  • Legal experts argue that the charges against Trump lack clarity on the underlying crime and the jury instructions are irregular, potentially leading to a lack of unanimity among jurors. This lack of clarity and irregularity could provide grounds for an appeal, as it may be seen as unfair or legally problematic. The experts suggest that such issues in the trial process could result in the conviction being overturned or reversed by a higher court. This uncertainty surrounding the charges and instructions raises concerns about the legal validity of the conviction and the fairness of the trial process.
  • The perception that the judge and prosecutors are engineering a conviction against Trump suggests a belief that they are unfairly influencing the legal proceedings to ensure Trump's guilt. This perception often arises when individuals feel that the legal system is being manipulated for political reasons rather than following impartial justice. It can lead to doubts about the fairness and integrity of the legal process in high-profile cases. Such perceptions can impact public trust in the legal system and the outcomes of the case.
  • The perception that charges and legal proceedings are unfair and rigged against Trump, even by independents, suggests a widespread belief that the legal system is biased or unjustly targeting Trump. This viewpoint implies a lack of confidence in the impartiality and fairness of the legal process in handling Trump's case. It indicates a concern that political motivations or biases may be influencing the legal actions taken against Trump. This sentiment reflects a broader skepticism about the objectivity and integrity of the legal proceedings involving Trump.
  • Biden's struggles with economic messaging and low approval ratings stem from challenges in effectively communicating his administration's economic policies and achievements to the public, leading to a lack of resonance with voters. This disconnect has contributed to a negative perception of the economy under his leadership, impacting his overall approval ratings and electoral prospects.
  • Trump's strong poll numbers among independents despite the legal case against him suggest that many independent voters may not view the charges as disqualifying or may perceive them as politically motivated. Independents may prioritize other factors, such as policy positions or perceptions of fairness, over the ongoing legal proceedings. Trump's ability to maintain support among independents could be influenced by various factors, including his messaging, the media's portrayal of the case, and public perceptions of the judicial process.
  • The media's perceived bias in this context suggests that some believe the media is showing favoritism or prejudice in its coverage of the legal case against Trump. Open admiration for the judge indicates that some commentators openly express respect or approval for the judge's actions or decisions in the case.
  • The media's portrayal of the case as a prosecution victory not resonating with the public suggests that the public may not be convinced by the media's narrative that the legal proceedings against Trump are going well for the prosecutors. This lack of resonance could indicate that the public has differing opinions or doubts about the case's progress and outcomes as presented by the media.
  • The media's portrayal of the legal case against Trump as a moral crusade may not be convincing to independents because these voters may perceive it as biased or politically motivated. Independents, who often value impartiality and fairness, may be skeptical of narratives that appear to target a specific individual, such as Trump, without clear evidence of wrongdoing. This skepticism can lead independents to question the media's objectivity and the true motivations behind the coverage of the case.

Counterarguments

  • The clarity of charges in legal cases can be subjective, and what may seem unclear to some may be considered sufficiently clear by legal standards.
  • Jury instructions are crafted by judges who interpret the law, and while they may sometimes be contested, they are not inherently irregular without a legal basis.
  • Appeals are a normal part of the legal process, and convictions are often upheld on appeal if the trial court followed legal procedures correctly.
  • Allegations of political motivation need to be substantiated with evidence, and the impartiality of the judiciary is a cornerstone of the legal system.
  • Public perception of unfairness in legal proceedings does not necessarily reflect the actual fairness or legality of those proceedings.
  • Poll numbers can fluctuate, and while they may indicate current public sentiment, they are not always predictive of future electoral outcomes.
  • Economic messaging and approval ratings are influenced by a multitude of factors, and it is possible for a leader to regain popularity if circumstances change.
  • Partisan rhetoric is a common criticism in politics, but it can sometimes be an effective strategy for mobilizing a political base.
  • Media bias is a complex issue, and while some outlets may have biases, others strive for balanced reporting.
  • The effectiveness of media coverage in shaping public opinion varies, and some individuals may be swayed by arguments presented in the media.
  • Public skepticism about media fairness can be addressed through efforts to increase transparency and accountability in journalism.

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The legal case against Donald Trump

The case against Donald Trump is mired in confusion and legal irregularities, with accusations of political motivation and the possibility of an appeal overturning any conviction due to unusual jury instructions and unclear charges.

Charges and jury instructions are confusing and potentially flawed

There is widespread confusion about the specificity of the crimes for which Donald Trump is being charged, according to Ben Shapiro.

The falsification of business records charges lack clarity on the underlying crime Trump supposedly covered up

Shapiro explains that while falsifying business records is a misdemeanor, it becomes a felony if it is done to cover up another crime—which in Trump's case, is ill-defined. The first part of the crime concerns falsifying business records in the first degree. Shapiro points out that prosecutors have not conclusively proven the illegality of the supposed secondary crime—Trump's payment to Stormy Daniels.

The judge's jury instructions allow for a lack of unanimity on the underlying crime, which is highly unusual

Shapiro finds the jury instructions by Judge Juan Marchan particularly troubling, as they indicate that the jury does not need to agree on the specific underlying crime. He likens this to a Chinese menu of possible legal excuses rather than a clear-cut directive. This lack of unanimity is bizarre compared to other legal cases, such as felony murder, where the specific felony leading to a murder must be unanimously agreed upon by the jury.

Due to the confusing nature of the charges and jury instructions, Shapiro believes that a conviction would likely be reversed on an appeal. Andy McCarthy, a legal analyst, suggests that although Trump's actions may seem unsavory, the payments for non-disclosure agreements were not illegal. McCarthy states that there is no evidence of Trump willfully violating campaign finance laws, which could lead to the conviction being overturned on appeal.

The case is viewed as a politically-motivated prosecution

The judge and prosecutors are seen as trying to engineer a conviction ...

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  • The lack of clarity on the specific crimes for which Donald Trump is being charged stems from the confusion surrounding the falsification of business records charge and its connection to the alleged cover-up of another crime, particularly the payment to Stormy Daniels. This lack of clarity raises questions about the legality and specificity of the charges brought against Trump. The confusion is exacerbated by the unusual jury instructions that do not require unanimity on the underlying crime, leading to uncertainty about the exact legal basis of the case. Legal experts suggest that this lack of clarity and specificity could potentially result in the conviction being overturned on appeal.
  • In Trump's case, falsifying business records can become a felony if it is done to cover up another crime. The underlying crime that Trump allegedly covered up, in this instance, is related to his payment to Stormy Daniels. Prosecutors need to prove that the falsification of records was to conceal an illegal act, like the payment to Daniels, for it to escalate to a felony charge. This escalation from a misdemeanor to a felony hinges on the connection between the falsified records and the alleged underlying crime.
  • In legal cases, jury instructions typically guide jurors on how to apply the law to the facts presented. Unusual jury instructions that do not require agreement on the specific underlying crime mean that jurors may not need to unanimously decide on the exact illegal act Trump committed to find him guilty. This departure from the norm raises concerns about clarity and fairness in the trial process. It suggests a departure from the usual requirement for a clear consensus among jurors on the precise nature of the offense committed.
  • In felony murder cases, a death occurs during the commission of a felony, and the specific felony that led to the death must be unanimously agreed upon by the jury for a conviction. This means that all jurors must concur on the underlying felony that resulted in the death, ensuring a clear understanding of the crime committed. This requirement for jury unanimity in felony murder cases contrasts with the unusual jury instructions in the case against Donald Trump, where unanimity on the specific underlying crime is not necessary, leading to confusion and potential legal flaws.
  • The charges and instructions in the case against Donald Trump are considered bizarre because of the lack of clarity on the underlying crime being covered up, the unusual jury instructions allowing for a lack of unanimity on the crime, and the perception that the prosecution is politically motivated. Legal experts argue that these factors make the conviction potentially reversible on appeal.
  • The assertion that payments for non-disclosure agreements were not illegal in the context of the text may be referring to the argument that the payments made by Donald Trump, such as the one to Stormy Daniels, were not inherently illegal under campaign finance laws. This argument suggests that the payments were made for personal reasons rather than to influence the election, which could impact the legality of the transactions. The debate revolves around whether these payments were legitimate business transactions or if they constituted violations of campaign finance regulations. This legal nuance is crucial in determini ...

Counterarguments

  • The specificity of charges in legal cases can sometimes be complex, and it is the role of the prosecution to clarify these charges during the trial.
  • Jury instructions are crafted to reflect the nuances of the law and the specifics of the case, and while they may seem unusual, they are often within the discretion of the judge and subject to legal precedent.
  • Appeals are a normal part of the legal process, and convictions are sometimes overturned, but this does not necessarily indicate that the original charges or instructions were flawed.
  • Political motivations in legal proceedings are difficult to prove, and the mere perception of bias does not confirm its existence.
  • Judges and prosecutors are bound by ethical standards, and while accusations of engineering a conviction are serious, they require substantial evidence to be considered credible.
  • Perceptions of unfairness in legal proce ...

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The political impact of the case

The article discusses how recent political events, specifically the trials involving former President Trump and current President Biden's leadership, may influence future elections and voter sentiment.

Trump's political future may not be significantly harmed

The public widely views the case as a partisan, unfair prosecution against Trump

Shapiro expresses that trials involving Trump are seen by many, particularly independents, as unjust and politically motivated. This perspective is believed to be widespread among the public.

Trump's poll numbers, including among independents, remain strong despite the case

Trump's polling numbers appear to remain strong. According to an NPR Marist poll, Trump leads by 12 points among independent voters. When accounting for a three-way race including RFK Jr., this lead increases to 16 points. Furthermore, Trump even holds a lead among independent women, with polling at 50 to 47.

Biden's presidency is struggling, independent of the Trump case

Biden's economic messaging and leadership are failing to resonate, with voters viewing the economy negatively

Shapiro criticizes Biden's leadership regarding the economy, noting that economic growth has slowed to an annualized rate of 1.3 percent. With inflation rates holding over three percent, Shapiro suggests that the Biden administration's economic messaging fails to align with the experiences of many Americans.

Biden's approval ratings remain low, hurting his party's electoral prospects

Biden's approval ratings are described as low, with a 538 average putting them at 39.6 percent and unfavorables at 56 percent. These low approval ratings could have negative implications for his party's future electoral prospects.

Biden is resorting to increasingly partisan and divisive rhetoric, which is unlikely to win over swing voters

Shapiro also portrays Biden as turning to more partisan and divisive rhetoric, relying on aggression and insults. Biden's sarcastic responses to questions about his capa ...

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  • The public's skepticism about the fairness of Trump's trial could impact voter sentiment and future elections by potentially influencing how voters perceive Trump's legal troubles and political standing. This skepticism may affect the effectiveness of using Trump's legal issues as a point of criticism by his opponents, particularly if the public views the trial as unjust or politically motivated. It could also shape how voters interpret the narratives presented by different political parties and candidat ...

Counterarguments

  • The perception of the case against Trump as partisan may not be as widespread as suggested; some may view the legal proceedings as a necessary accountability measure for a former president's actions.
  • While Trump's poll numbers may be strong among independents in some polls, other polls and analyses might show a more nuanced picture, with fluctuating support depending on current events and new information.
  • Biden's economic policies could be seen as successful by some, particularly if they prioritize long-term investments over short-term gains, and if the slowed economic growth is viewed in the context of global economic challenges.
  • Approval ratings are subject to change, and a president's ratings can improve with successful policy implementation or in response to external events that rally public support.
  • Partisan rhetoric is often a feature of political discourse, and what may seem divisive to some may be seen as s ...

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The media's role and coverage of the case

The media's coverage of a high-profile legal case involving former President Trump has come under scrutiny for perceived bias and an inability to influence public opinion as intended.

The media is seen as heavily biased in its coverage of the case

Critics are examining the media’s slant in reportage and commentary surrounding the judicial proceedings.

Commentators and analysts are expressing open admiration for the judge overseeing the case, despite his controversial rulings

Several commentators and analysts are voicing their support for the judge assigned to the case, openly expressing admiration for his decisions. This has been happening even amidst a series of controversial rulings that have raised eyebrows and sparked debate over their legal soundness and potential impartiality.

The media's attempts to portray the case as a clear-cut victory for the prosecution are not resonating with the public

Moreover, attempts by some media outlets to depict the prosecution's case as a decisive and clear-cut victory are failing to make the intended impact on the general public. There seems to be a disconnect between the narrative being advanced by certain segments of the media and the perception and understanding of the case by the wider population.

The media's coverage is failing to sway public opinion against Trump

Despite extensive coverage of the case, the media has not been successful in turning public opinion against Donald Trump.

The public's skepticism of the media's motives and fairness in reporting on the case persists

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  • The public's skepticism of the media's motives and fairness in covering the case involving former President Trump stems from concerns about potential bias, sensationalism, and political agendas influencing the reporting. This skepticism is fueled by a history of polarized media coverage, where different outlets may present conflicting narratives, leading to confusion and distrust among the audience. Additionally, the public's scrutiny of the media's handling of high-profile cases involving political figures like Trump often reflects broader societal divisions and suspicions about the media's role in shaping public opinion. The perception of the media as being aligned with certain political interests or ideologies can further erode trust in its objectivity and impartiality.
  • The media's portrayal of the case as a moral crusade against Trump suggests they are framing the legal proceedings as a fight for justice and ethical accountability specifically targeting the former President. This narrative aims to emphasize the righteousness of the prosecution's actions and the perceived moral high grou ...

Counterarguments

  • The perception of media bias is subjective and can vary among different audiences; some may find the coverage fair and balanced.
  • Admiration for the judge could be based on his legal expertise and courtroom demeanor rather than a bias in favor of the prosecution.
  • The media's portrayal of the prosecution's case may be based on factual reporting and expert analysis rather than an attempt to sway public opinion.
  • Public opinion is complex and influenced by many factors; the media's influence is just one aspect and may not be the primary reason for the lack of shift against Trump.
  • Skepticism of the media could be influenced by a broader political polarization ...

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