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#203 Dave Mustaine - Megadeth Co-Founder & Frontman

By Shawn Ryan Show

In this episode of the Shawn Ryan Show, Megadeth co-founder Dave Mustaine shares his journey from a troubled childhood marked by family instability to his role in shaping thrash metal. The conversation covers his early musical influences, his time with Metallica, and the formation of Megadeth, which he initially envisioned as a "metal jazz band" blending classical and punk elements.

Throughout the episode, Mustaine discusses significant personal experiences that have shaped both his life and music. He opens up about his 34-year marriage, his transition from practicing witchcraft to embracing Christianity, and his battle with throat cancer during the Jimi Hendrix Experience tour. These experiences have influenced his creative decisions and approach to performing, including his choice to stop playing certain songs that conflict with his faith.

#203 Dave Mustaine - Megadeth Co-Founder & Frontman

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#203 Dave Mustaine - Megadeth Co-Founder & Frontman

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Mustaine's Tumultuous Childhood and Early Life

Dave Mustaine's childhood was marked by instability following his parents' divorce when he was four. After his father, a former bank manager, succumbed to alcoholism, Mustaine moved frequently between relatives' homes with his mother and younger sister. His upbringing was characterized by harsh discipline from his brothers-in-law, who used belts for punishment. By age 15, Mustaine was living independently after his mother left, supporting himself by selling marijuana at his high school.

Mustaine's Music Career in Various Bands

Mustaine's musical journey was shaped by diverse influences, from Deep Purple to British heavy metal bands like Iron Maiden and Budgie. His guitar skills and musical knowledge led him to Metallica, where he helped pioneer thrash metal before his departure in 1983 due to conflicts with the band. Following this, Mustaine formed Megadeth, initially conceived as a "metal jazz band" with classical and punk influences. During this period, he also experienced tragedy with his previous band Panic, losing two bandmates in a car crash.

Mustaine's Personal Life: Marriage, Family, and Faith

After a chance encounter at a bar, Mustaine married Pamela, his wife of 34 years. Together, they've raised two children who are now involved in the wine and beer business. Mustaine's faith journey led him from witchcraft to Christianity following an arm injury, prompting him to quit performing certain songs with spiritual implications he found uncomfortable. His Christian faith has become a central part of his life, influencing both his personal and professional decisions.

Mustaine's Cancer Battle and Musical Impact

During the Jimi Hendrix Experience tour, Mustaine received a diagnosis of throat cancer following a routine dental visit. Despite aggressive treatment and challenges with "chemo brain," Mustaine continued working on Megadeth's album "The Sick, The Dying, And The Dead." The experience has deepened his appreciation for life and family, though it presented challenges for his singing due to both the cancer treatment and a previous neck injury.

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  • Explore resilience through creative expression by starting a journal or blog where you document your personal challenges and growth, much like how Mustaine's tumultuous life experiences shaped his music. Writing can be a therapeutic way to process emotions and build resilience, and sharing your story might inspire others facing similar struggles.
  • Develop a diverse music playlist that spans genres you're less familiar with, inspired by Mustaine's eclectic influences, to broaden your cultural appreciation and potentially spark new interests or creative ideas. This can be a simple yet effective way to step out of your comfort zone and explore new perspectives.
  • Volunteer for a cancer support organization to offer encouragement and share your appreciation for life, drawing from Mustaine's experience with throat cancer and his subsequent deeper appreciation for family and life. This can provide meaningful support to those affected by cancer and enrich your own sense of purpose and community connection.

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#203 Dave Mustaine - Megadeth Co-Founder & Frontman

Mustaine's Tumultuous Childhood and Early Life

Dave Mustaine's early years were riddled with instability and hardship due to family issues and subsequent personal challenges.

Mustaine's Difficult Upbringing: Divorced Parents and Abuse

Divorced Parents Led To Unstable Childhood Moving Between Relatives

Mustaine's parents got divorced when he was four, an event bookended by his baptism as a Lutheran. His father, once a West Coast branch manager for Bank of America, spiraled down into alcoholism, working on cash registers in a bar and suffering a mass cerebral hemorrhage which left him in a coma. Mustaine's early life was marked by constant moving, shuffling between relatives' homes with his mother and younger sister, Debbie. His older siblings, one a brother somewhat close in age, were already married and had more stability. Mustaine recollects a time when his parents might have tried to reconcile, and he fondly remembers the cherry vanilla pipe scent of his father's kiss goodnight.

Mustaine's Brothers-in-law Disciplined Him With Belts and Objects due to His Mother's Beliefs

As Mustaine grew older, he received harsh discipline orchestrated by his mother. His brothers-in-law, empowered to act as surrogate fathers and in law enforcement themselves, would discipline him harshly. Mustaine compared this to the practices of the church they attended, which could involve public shaming or singling out individuals for rebuke. His brother-in-law, Stan, used a leather belt, and sometimes a gun belt, which was wide and thick, to inflict pain during punishments.

Despite being the uncle to his sisters' children, Dave engaged in childhood mischief alongside his nephews. As the oldest, he would be held accountable and punished for any of the group's troublemaking, which ranged from shoplifting and vandalism. This harsh treatment was a staple of Mustaine's upbringing.

Mustaine Sold Marijuana As a Teen to Support Himself After His Mother Left

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  • Reflect on your own resilience by journaling about past challenges and how you overcame them, similar to how Mustaine supported himself independently. This can help you recognize your strengths and areas for growth, and you might find patterns in your coping strategies that you can apply to current or future challenges.
  • Create a playlist of music that speaks to your personal experiences or struggles, inspired by how Mustaine channeled his life into his music. This can be a therapeutic way to process emotions and celebrate overcoming hardships.
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Mustaine's Music Career in Various Bands

Dave Mustaine, the frontman of Megadeth, shares his expansive journey in the music industry, starting from his early musical influences, his time with various bands, including Metallica and Panic, to the formation of his own band, Megadeth.

Musical Interests and Influences Shaped Mustaine As a Metal Pioneer

Mustaine began his foray into music, drawn to bands outside of the typical American music scene. He specifically mentions an early introduction to Deep Purple, indicating more respect for its players than an actual fondness for the music itself. Mustaine differentiated between the predictable pattern of chords in American music and the complex structures found in the music he admired.

He learned to play guitar through songs like "Panicking Detroit" by David Bowie and "All the Young Dudes" by Mott the Hoople. Mustaine was amazed by bands like Led Zeppelin, which he found challenging, and was subsequently influenced by the visual and mystical elements of bands such as Ted Nugent and Kiss. In addition, Mustaine acknowledged Ted Nugent's guitar skills as an influence, despite Nugent's polarizing persona. He was also deeply affected by the "new wave of British Heavy Metal," listing bands like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Diamond Head, and Motorhead as crucial to his development as a musician and songwriter.

Furthermore, Mustaine delved into a wider array of musical genres, drawing inspiration from The Beatles and the Motown sound, including artists such as Sam and Dave, Al Green, Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, Sly and the Family Stone, and Chaka Khan. His appreciation for the new wave of British heavy metal world was reinforced through bands like Motörhead and Budgie, with Budgie being emphasized as a non-conventional three-piece band from Wales.

His knowledge of Budgie and the new wave of British heavy metal, combined with his guitar skills, played a pivotal role when responding to a classified ad that led him to join Metallica.

Mustaine's Departure From Metallica and Megadeth's Founding Marked a Career Turning Point

Mustaine was introduced as a co-founder of Metallica and was instrumental in the creation of thrash metal prior to his departure from the band in 1983. After being dismissed from Metallica—without warning or a second chance—due to his violent tendencies and an incident involving alcohol where he lashed out after his dog was kicked by James Hetfield, Mustaine was angered, notably about not being credited for the music he wrote, and this became a driving force to start Megadeth.

While in Hollywood, where Metallica opposed everything associated with glam culture, Mustaine had the initial idea for a band named Fallen Angels that never came to fruition. Instead, he began playing with Robbie McKinney, which led to the formation of a band that eventually evolved into Megadeth. Mustaine recounts that the band began as a "metal jazz ...

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  • Explore diverse music genres to inspire your own creative projects by creating a playlist that includes a mix of classic rock, heavy metal, Motown, and other genres you're less familiar with. This can help you discover new sounds and ideas that you can incorporate into your work, whether it's writing, painting, or even cooking, to add a unique twist.
  • Use setbacks as a catalyst for personal growth by writing down a recent challenge you faced and brainstorming ways it can lead to a new beginning or opportunity. For instance, if you lost a job, consider what skills you could develop or what new career path this could open up, much like how a band's breakup can lead to the formation of a new, successful group.
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#203 Dave Mustaine - Megadeth Co-Founder & Frontman

Mustaine's Personal Life: Marriage, Family, and Faith

Dave Mustaine reflects on the stability his family life has provided him, his Christian faith journey, and the influence of his beliefs on his personal and professional life.

Marriage and Children Provided Mustaine Stability

Mustaine Quickly Married Pamela After a Chance Encounter

In discussing his personal life, Dave Mustaine mentions being married to Pamela for 34 years. He met Pamela at a bar under unusual circumstances. Mustaine was helping a friend, Ronnie, stay sober when he first encountered his future wife. After initially asking a friend to introduce them, Mustaine approached her himself, which later blossomed into a brief courtship. On an impulse trip to Hawaii, he proposed to Pamela in a spontaneous manner, leading to their wedding at the base of Waikiki Diamond Head Volcano.

Mustaine's Children in the Wine and Beer Business

Mustaine is the father of two children, Electra and Justice, who are both involved in the wine and beer business. Reflecting his appreciation for entrepreneurial efforts and craftmanship, Electra has become one of the youngest female sommeliers and, together with Pam, runs House of Mustaine, a wine business. Their wines that score into the 90th percentile are considered very desirable. Mustaine discusses the success of wines named with song titles to connect them to his brand. His daughter’s involvement in the wine business and his son's in the beer business showcases a sense of family endeavor within their respective alcoholic beverage industries.

Mustaine's Christian Faith Journey

Mustaine’s turn to Christianity stemmed from an arm injury and his search for solace. He delves into his past experiences with witchcraft, which he left behind when he became a Christian. Mustaine reflects on the clarity and purpose that faith brought to his life, contrasting it with his earlier lifestyle which involved drugs and spiritual darkness.

After embracing Christianity, Mustaine quit performing certain songs that had spiritual implications he was uncomfortable with, such as one containing elements of a hex. Mustaine believed that he had been cursed by others but also experienced miraculous events, such as praying over his dead dog, which he believes briefly came back to life.

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  • Reflect on personal beliefs and life changes by journaling your thoughts and experiences. This can help you understand your own spiritual journey or life transitions, akin to Mustaine's shift to Christianity and its impact on his life and work.
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Mustaine's Cancer Battle and Musical Impact

Mustaine's Cancer: A Shocking, Transformative Experience

Mustaine's Throat Cancer Diagnosed During Dental Visit, Leading To Aggressive Treatment

Dave Mustaine opens up about his battle with throat cancer, an unexpected diagnosis that began during a routine dental visit while he was on the road for the Jimi Hendrix Experience tour. When his mouth pain led him to see an oral surgeon, he was hit with the abrupt news that he had "the big C." Overcome with emotion, Mustaine recounts crying in his car after receiving the diagnosis. He admits that he avoided learning too much about the cancer or the treatment details, as he did not want it to define his life. Reflecting on the process, Mustaine mentions the challenges he faced, including “chemo brain” and intensive exams with a camera looking down his nose, which he struggles with due to his head and neck cancer.

Mustaine Recorded Acclaimed "the Sick, the Dying, and the Dead" During Cancer Treatment, Showing Resilience

Even during the aggressive treatment for his throat cancer, Mustaine’s commitment to his craft never wavered. He and his band Megadeth worked on their fiercest album to date, "The Sick, The Dying, And The Dead," despite the rigorous treatment including numerous chemotherapy sessions. Mustaine describes the doctors as being really aggressive in treating his cancer because of his profession as a singer, but they managed to save his voice, which he explains was a challenge to use during recordings due to his condition and a previous neck injury.

Cancer Battle Impacted Mustaine's Music and Outlook

Cancer Affected Mustaine's Voice, Altering Megadeth's Sound

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- Turn routine check-ups into opportunities for creative expression by starting a journal or sketchbook dedicated to thoughts and feelings experienced during these visits. This can help process emotions and serve as a reminder of personal resilience, much like how Mustaine channeled his experiences into music.

  • Create a "Resilience Playlist" with songs that inspire strength and perseverance, to be played during challenging times. This mirrors the idea of using music as a source of motivation and comfort, as Mustaine did with his commitment to music during his treatment.
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