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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer

By Shawn Ryan Show

In this episode of the Shawn Ryan Show, guest Thomas "Drago" Dzieran shares his remarkable life story. Born in communist Poland, Drago endured a violent childhood and was imprisoned for his activism with the Solidarity movement. After fleeing to the U.S. with little English or money, he worked menial jobs but remained determined to serve his new country.

Defying the odds at age 32, Drago joined the Navy SEALs and deployed to Iraq over 100 times, earning a Bronze Star for valor. The episode delves into Drago's personal life alongside his military career, including his marriage, fatherhood, and path to overcoming injuries sustained in combat. Throughout it all, his resilience and gratitude for the freedoms denied under communism shine through.

#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer

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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer

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Drago's Background and Upbringing in Communist Poland

Drago, whose father abandoned the family for practicing Catholicism, faced a violent and impoverished childhood under communist rule in Poland. He learned to fight and survive on the streets, joining the underground Solidarity movement and being imprisoned for 3 years for distributing banned publications. He endured torture and maltreatment by the regime.

Drago's Immigration and Integration in the United States

After fleeing Poland in 1984 with almost no money or English skills, Drago was granted asylum in the U.S. Assisted by the State Department, he settled in Memphis, working as a janitor and mechanic while improving his English. Marveling at American freedoms, Drago was determined to one day become a citizen, grateful for the opportunities denied in communist Poland.

Drago's Military Career as a Navy Seal

Driven to serve America, Drago joined the Navy at 32 and persevered through intense SEAL training despite age and language barriers. He deployed to Iraq over 100 times, earning a Bronze Star for valor in hand-to-hand combat. However, the repeated explosions caused traumatic brain injury, which he overcame through Ibogaine treatment.

Drago's Personal Life and Relationships

Drago met his wife Rachel online, proposing at a shooting range. He credits their strong marriage to shared faith and her emotional intelligence. An involved father, Drago homeschools his children, celebrating their diverse talents like his daughter's chess prowess.

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  • Explore your local history to gain a deeper appreciation for your community's past struggles and triumphs. Visit a nearby historical society or museum, and if possible, volunteer to help with archiving or guiding tours. This can provide a tangible connection to the resilience and determination of those who shaped your area, much like Drago's connection to his past.
  • Foster resilience by setting a challenging personal goal outside your comfort zone. It could be anything from learning a new language, taking up a martial art, or even training for a half-marathon. The key is to choose something that requires dedication and perseverance, reflecting Drago's journey from janitor to Navy SEAL.
  • Support brain health and recovery by engaging in activities that promote neuroplasticity and mental well-being. This could involve learning to play a musical instrument, practicing meditation, or taking up brain-training games. These activities can help maintain and improve cognitive function, echoing Drago's recovery from a traumatic brain injury.

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Drago's Background and Upbringing in Communist Poland

Drago’s early life and subsequent resistance against the oppressive communist system in Poland is marked by personal hardship, family strife, and political activism, epitomizing the struggles of many who lived under such regimes.

Drago's Early Life Under Communist Rule in Poland

Raised Poor, Communist Father Abandoned Family

Raised in post-World War II Poland, Drago had a privileged life until his father, a high-ranking communist, abandoned the family. The departure was due to Drago's mother taking the children to church, which was frowned upon by the communist regime. Left poor and stigmatized by divorce, Drago's family, including his Catholic grandmother, struggled with poverty when his father, who remained a staunch communist until his death in 2021, abandoned them fearing for his career.

Brutality and Violence in Polish Society: Involving Fighting and Child Extortion

Childhood poverty forced Drago to fend for himself. In elementary school, he learned to extort food from children of Communist Party members and would conceal his own meager meals to avoid appearing poor. Violence was commonplace in society, with Drago describing Poland as brutal and ready for fighting; street fights were so frequent that bystanders would not intervene. Drago even had to defend himself against bullies with a piece of rebar. He and his friends would critique each other's fighting techniques, escalating their challenges to improve their martial arts skills. This background painted a grim picture of a society where aggression was a survival mechanism.

Drago's Imprisonment and Resistance Against the Communist System

Underground Solidarity Trade Union Participation, Distributing Banned Publications

As an adult, Drago joined the Solidarity movement, participating in the resistance against communist oppression. His activities during martial law in Poland included the distribution of underground bulletins detailing the arrests and detentions by the regime. Such resistance was considered a threat to the state, as it countered the state media's propaganda.

Sentenced To 3 Years in Political Prison

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  • You can volunteer at or donate to organizations that support political prisoners to help alleviate the struggles faced by individuals like Drago. By contributing to groups that provide legal aid, care packages, or advocacy for political prisoners, you're directly impacting lives in a manner similar to the solidarity shown in the Solidarity movement. For example, consider supporting Amnesty International or the Prisoners' Rights Project.
  • Develop a personal crisis management plan to prepare for unexpected life challenges, drawing inspiration from Drago's resilience. Start by identifying potential risks in your life, such as job loss or health issues, and outline practical steps to mitigate these risks, like creating an emergency fund or learning self-defense techniques. This proactive approach can help you feel more secure and capable of handling adversity.
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Drago's Immigration and Integration in the United States

Thomas "Drago" Dzieran's journey to America serves as a powerful testament to the experiences of political refugees integrating into a new culture and embodying the American dream.

Drago's Journey to America as a Political Refugee

Fled Poland In 1984 With No Money or English Skills

Drago, originally from Poland, envisioned the United States as a beacon of freedom. In 1984, at the age of 23, he made a life-changing decision to leave Poland and seek help from the U.S. embassy. He saw America as the land where he could live freely and hoped one day to be "good enough" to become an American citizen. Granted the status of a political refugee, Drago left his homeland with a 10 Phoenix German coin in his pocket, a bag of clothes, including a sweater his mother knitted for him, and $20, which he partly spent on a tape recorder, arriving in America with virtually nothing.

Assisted by U.S. to Start Anew

At a center for political refugees in Germany, the U.S. State Department provided guidance for what to expect in America. Drago didn't specify where he wanted to settle, only expressing the desire for somewhere warm. As a result, he moved to Memphis, Tennessee, to begin his journey. On arriving legally in the U.S., Drago was helped with finding housing and a job. He reminisces about early challenges, such as his inappropriate swimwear at a pool party and his initial attempts to learn English.

Drago's Struggles and Successes in American Society

Janitor and Mechanic, Learning English

Drago began his American working life as a janitor, humbly mopping floors while improving his English by carrying cartoons and a map with simple phrases. He credits a man named Jimbo with helping him significantly, describing him as a "half gangster" who became like a big brother. Despite never having previously owned a car, Drago learned to work on European cars and eventually became skilled enough that even Mercedes later expressed interest in hiring him. To improve his English further, he asked his colleague to read car repair manuals to him while recording them, aiding his learning of both car mechanics and the language simultaneously.

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  • While Drago's story is inspiring, it may not represent the experiences of all political refugees, as individual circumstances can vary greatly.
  • The assistance provided by the U.S. State Department is not always available or sufficient for all refugees, and some may face significant bureaucratic hurdles.
  • Learning English and adapting to a new culture can be more challenging for some refugees than it was for Drago, especially without access to supportive individuals or communities.
  • The narrative of achieving success through determination and legality may overlook systemic barriers that can impede progress for immigrants, such as d ...

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  • You can volunteer with refugee support organizations to help newcomers adapt to their new environment, similar to how Drago received assistance when he arrived in the U.S. By doing this, you'll provide practical help and support, such as language tutoring or navigating local bureaucracies, which can make a significant difference in someone's resettlement process.
  • Start a language exchange meetup in your community to help immigrants learn English and other languages. This initiative not only aids in language acquisition but also fosters cultural exchange and understanding. You could organize regular meetings where participants practice conversational skills and learn from each other in an informal setting.
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Drago's Military Career as a Navy Seal

Thomas "Drago" Dzieran, a former U.S. Navy SEAL, offers a detailed account of his experiences from SEAL training to combat and the subsequent impacts of service on his life.

Drago's Journey To Becoming a Seal

Drago had a driving desire to serve America, fueled by gratitude for the life he'd found in the country. At the age of 32, despite being told he was too old for the SEALs and facing language barriers, his determination saw him successfully switch from the army recruiting office to pursue a SEAL career. He had to overcome several setbacks, including a potentially disqualifying medical condition and a steep learning curve during the intense and often isolating training. Nevertheless, driven by a desire to serve in any capacity, he excelled, graduating as the top recruit from boot camp and later, at age 33, completing BUD/S training and joining SEAL Team Two. He bonded with fellow SEALs, like Jason Cabell, and faced and overcame challenges due to his age and language barriers. Dzieran's early experience with SEAL training included intense physical exams and a harsh welcome ritual involving hazing.

Joined the Navy to Serve and Defend America

Drago joined the Navy with a deep-seated notion of service. His initial ambition wasn't specific to the SEALs; Drago was willing to participate in any capacity where America needed him. He carried the idea that serving in war would be a way to give back to America.

Completed Seal Training Despite Age and Language Barriers

Facing skepticism due to his age as he was above the typical age limit for SEALS, Drago, with determination and superior physical fitness, managed to earn his place in BUD/S. A friend named Les Barrios helped Drago navigate a medical issue that threatened to delay his SEALS application. Drago's training in swimming was rigorous due to his unfamiliarity with the ocean and struggle with using a mask, but his discipline saw him excel. Expected isolation in training was contrary to reality, where he focused on recovery over leisure. Even with a serious leg infection, he persevered, reflecting a strong mental fortitude. After graduating BUD/S, Drago joined SEAL Team Two, acknowledging the rarity of succeeding in the program at his age.

Drago's Combat Experience in the Seal Teams

Drago served multiple deployments in Iraq, engaging in over a hundred direct action missions. Throughout his deployments, his role ranged from conducting nighttime assaults and operations alongside the Polish GROM to VBSS tasks and seizing high-value targets. His desire to aggressively confront enemy threats was evidenced by his attitude toward terrorists and his extended stay in Baghdad. Drago's commitment to mission success and his ability to mitigate civilian harm during breaches, enhanced by his development of new breaching charges, underlined his value to the teams. This sentiment extended to his personal regret over not eliminating more threats, pondering the potential consequences of action not taken. Drago earned a Bronze Star with Valor for his hand-to-hand combat encounter, reflecting his preference for decisive action in high-stakes situations.

Deployed To Iraq, Conducted 100 Direct Action Missions

Drago’s time in Iraq involved high levels of activity, with multiple target operations sometimes happening in a single night. His personal engagement with targets and partnership with Polish GROM operatives highlighted the close cooperation between forces. Drago describes an action-packed first-year combat experience, from subduing a charging suspect without le ...

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  • You can express gratitude for your community by volunteering in local service projects. Find organizations in your area that align with your values and offer your time or skills. For example, if you're thankful for the educational opportunities you've received, consider tutoring students at a local school.
  • Enhance your resilience by setting a personal challenge that requires you to overcome a barrier, such as learning a new language or skill at an older age. Track your progress and celebrate small victories to stay motivated, much like someone training for a physically demanding goal.
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Drago's Personal Life and Relationships

Drago's personal journey from finding love online to raising a family reflects the values of understanding, reasonableness, and shared faith.

Drago's Marriage to His Wife, Rachel

Drago's relationship with his wife Rachel began online, overcoming initial challenges and growing into a successful partnership.

Met Rachel Online, Overcame Communication Challenges With Seal Teammates’ Help

Drago, having sought advice from his SEAL Teammates on finding a wife, turned to online dating and met Rachel. After some unsuccessful attempts and being misled by potential dates, he connected with Rachel. Challenges with written communication led to Drago receiving help from his teammates in crafting love letters. Despite a misunderstanding due to his limited English language skills, Rachel eventually came to understand the issue and continued the relationship.

Married In a Unique, Seal-Themed Proposal

Drago's proposal to Rachel was as unique as their online courtship. At a shooting range, Rachel shot several guns, and with the last round from an M48, she found an engagement ring and a note asking her to marry Drago. The proposal, designed by Drago to be both budget-friendly and memorable, eschewed formalities and grandeur for a personal touch.

Credits Marriage Success to Shared Faith, Rachel's Emotional Intelligence

Drago acknowledges that their marriage is a process of continuous improvement, jokingly admitting that his wife sees him as a "project under construction." The couple nurtures their connection through a shared faith, reading books on spirituality together nightly. Drago lauds Rachel's emotional intelligence, appreciating how she can calm him when angry, and credits both this and their shared spirituality for the strength of their marriage.

Drago's Family and Children

Drago’s family life includes pride in his children's accomplishments and a commitment to their education.

Father of two Biological Children and two Stepchildren

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  • While Drago's SEAL teammates helped him with communication, it could be argued that relying on others to craft personal messages may not always be the best approach to authentic communication in a relationship.
  • A proposal at a shooting range with a Seal-themed approach might not appeal to everyone and could be seen as unconventional or inappropriate by some individuals who prefer more traditional or less weapon-associated forms of engagement.
  • Crediting the success of a marriage solely to shared faith and one partner's emotional intelligence might overlook other important factors such as mutual respect, communication skills, and shared responsibilities.
  • Homeschooling is a personal choice, but it may not provide the same level of soc ...

Actionables

- You can enhance your online communication skills by practicing active listening and clear articulation during video calls with friends or family, focusing on understanding their perspectives and expressing your thoughts without distractions.

  • By actively engaging in conversations where you listen more than you speak, you can improve your ability to communicate effectively, which is especially important in online settings where non-verbal cues are limited. For example, during a video call, make a conscious effort to nod, maintain eye contact, and ask clarifying questions to ensure you fully understand the other person's message.
  • Create a personalized proposal experience by incorporating elements that are significant to both you and your partner, such as a shared hobby or favorite location, to make the moment memorable and reflective of your relationship.
  • For instance, if you both enjoy hiking, plan a surprise proposal at the peak of your favorite trail. This not only makes the proposal special but also ensures it's a shared experience that resonates with your unique bond. Tailoring the proposal to mutual interests adds a personal touch that can strengthen your connection.
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