In this episode of the Shawn Ryan Show, guest Thomas "Drago" Dzieran shares his remarkable life story. Born in communist Poland, Drago endured a violent childhood and was imprisoned for his activism with the Solidarity movement. After fleeing to the U.S. with little English or money, he worked menial jobs but remained determined to serve his new country.
Defying the odds at age 32, Drago joined the Navy SEALs and deployed to Iraq over 100 times, earning a Bronze Star for valor. The episode delves into Drago's personal life alongside his military career, including his marriage, fatherhood, and path to overcoming injuries sustained in combat. Throughout it all, his resilience and gratitude for the freedoms denied under communism shine through.
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Drago, whose father abandoned the family for practicing Catholicism, faced a violent and impoverished childhood under communist rule in Poland. He learned to fight and survive on the streets, joining the underground Solidarity movement and being imprisoned for 3 years for distributing banned publications. He endured torture and maltreatment by the regime.
After fleeing Poland in 1984 with almost no money or English skills, Drago was granted asylum in the U.S. Assisted by the State Department, he settled in Memphis, working as a janitor and mechanic while improving his English. Marveling at American freedoms, Drago was determined to one day become a citizen, grateful for the opportunities denied in communist Poland.
Driven to serve America, Drago joined the Navy at 32 and persevered through intense SEAL training despite age and language barriers. He deployed to Iraq over 100 times, earning a Bronze Star for valor in hand-to-hand combat. However, the repeated explosions caused traumatic brain injury, which he overcame through Ibogaine treatment.
Drago met his wife Rachel online, proposing at a shooting range. He credits their strong marriage to shared faith and her emotional intelligence. An involved father, Drago homeschools his children, celebrating their diverse talents like his daughter's chess prowess.
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Drago’s early life and subsequent resistance against the oppressive communist system in Poland is marked by personal hardship, family strife, and political activism, epitomizing the struggles of many who lived under such regimes.
Raised in post-World War II Poland, Drago had a privileged life until his father, a high-ranking communist, abandoned the family. The departure was due to Drago's mother taking the children to church, which was frowned upon by the communist regime. Left poor and stigmatized by divorce, Drago's family, including his Catholic grandmother, struggled with poverty when his father, who remained a staunch communist until his death in 2021, abandoned them fearing for his career.
Childhood poverty forced Drago to fend for himself. In elementary school, he learned to extort food from children of Communist Party members and would conceal his own meager meals to avoid appearing poor. Violence was commonplace in society, with Drago describing Poland as brutal and ready for fighting; street fights were so frequent that bystanders would not intervene. Drago even had to defend himself against bullies with a piece of rebar. He and his friends would critique each other's fighting techniques, escalating their challenges to improve their martial arts skills. This background painted a grim picture of a society where aggression was a survival mechanism.
As an adult, Drago joined the Solidarity movement, participating in the resistance against communist oppression. His activities during martial law in Poland included the distribution of underground bulletins detailing the arrests and detentions by the regime. Such resistance was considered a threat to the state, as it countered the state media's propaganda.
For his role in distributing these underground publications, Drago was se ...
Drago's Background and Upbringing in Communist Poland
Thomas "Drago" Dzieran's journey to America serves as a powerful testament to the experiences of political refugees integrating into a new culture and embodying the American dream.
Drago, originally from Poland, envisioned the United States as a beacon of freedom. In 1984, at the age of 23, he made a life-changing decision to leave Poland and seek help from the U.S. embassy. He saw America as the land where he could live freely and hoped one day to be "good enough" to become an American citizen. Granted the status of a political refugee, Drago left his homeland with a 10 Phoenix German coin in his pocket, a bag of clothes, including a sweater his mother knitted for him, and $20, which he partly spent on a tape recorder, arriving in America with virtually nothing.
At a center for political refugees in Germany, the U.S. State Department provided guidance for what to expect in America. Drago didn't specify where he wanted to settle, only expressing the desire for somewhere warm. As a result, he moved to Memphis, Tennessee, to begin his journey. On arriving legally in the U.S., Drago was helped with finding housing and a job. He reminisces about early challenges, such as his inappropriate swimwear at a pool party and his initial attempts to learn English.
Drago began his American working life as a janitor, humbly mopping floors while improving his English by carrying cartoons and a map with simple phrases. He credits a man named Jimbo with helping him significantly, describing him as a "half gangster" who became like a big brother. Despite never having previously owned a car, Drago learned to work on European cars and eventually became skilled enough that even Mercedes later expressed interest in hiring him. To improve his English further, he asked his colleague to read car repair manuals to him while recording them, aiding his learning of both car mechanics and the language simultaneously.
Drago's Immigration and Integration in the United States
Thomas "Drago" Dzieran, a former U.S. Navy SEAL, offers a detailed account of his experiences from SEAL training to combat and the subsequent impacts of service on his life.
Drago had a driving desire to serve America, fueled by gratitude for the life he'd found in the country. At the age of 32, despite being told he was too old for the SEALs and facing language barriers, his determination saw him successfully switch from the army recruiting office to pursue a SEAL career. He had to overcome several setbacks, including a potentially disqualifying medical condition and a steep learning curve during the intense and often isolating training. Nevertheless, driven by a desire to serve in any capacity, he excelled, graduating as the top recruit from boot camp and later, at age 33, completing BUD/S training and joining SEAL Team Two. He bonded with fellow SEALs, like Jason Cabell, and faced and overcame challenges due to his age and language barriers. Dzieran's early experience with SEAL training included intense physical exams and a harsh welcome ritual involving hazing.
Drago joined the Navy with a deep-seated notion of service. His initial ambition wasn't specific to the SEALs; Drago was willing to participate in any capacity where America needed him. He carried the idea that serving in war would be a way to give back to America.
Facing skepticism due to his age as he was above the typical age limit for SEALS, Drago, with determination and superior physical fitness, managed to earn his place in BUD/S. A friend named Les Barrios helped Drago navigate a medical issue that threatened to delay his SEALS application. Drago's training in swimming was rigorous due to his unfamiliarity with the ocean and struggle with using a mask, but his discipline saw him excel. Expected isolation in training was contrary to reality, where he focused on recovery over leisure. Even with a serious leg infection, he persevered, reflecting a strong mental fortitude. After graduating BUD/S, Drago joined SEAL Team Two, acknowledging the rarity of succeeding in the program at his age.
Drago served multiple deployments in Iraq, engaging in over a hundred direct action missions. Throughout his deployments, his role ranged from conducting nighttime assaults and operations alongside the Polish GROM to VBSS tasks and seizing high-value targets. His desire to aggressively confront enemy threats was evidenced by his attitude toward terrorists and his extended stay in Baghdad. Drago's commitment to mission success and his ability to mitigate civilian harm during breaches, enhanced by his development of new breaching charges, underlined his value to the teams. This sentiment extended to his personal regret over not eliminating more threats, pondering the potential consequences of action not taken. Drago earned a Bronze Star with Valor for his hand-to-hand combat encounter, reflecting his preference for decisive action in high-stakes situations.
Drago’s time in Iraq involved high levels of activity, with multiple target operations sometimes happening in a single night. His personal engagement with targets and partnership with Polish GROM operatives highlighted the close cooperation between forces. Drago describes an action-packed first-year combat experience, from subduing a charging suspect without le ...
Drago's Military Career as a Navy Seal
Drago's personal journey from finding love online to raising a family reflects the values of understanding, reasonableness, and shared faith.
Drago's relationship with his wife Rachel began online, overcoming initial challenges and growing into a successful partnership.
Drago, having sought advice from his SEAL Teammates on finding a wife, turned to online dating and met Rachel. After some unsuccessful attempts and being misled by potential dates, he connected with Rachel. Challenges with written communication led to Drago receiving help from his teammates in crafting love letters. Despite a misunderstanding due to his limited English language skills, Rachel eventually came to understand the issue and continued the relationship.
Drago's proposal to Rachel was as unique as their online courtship. At a shooting range, Rachel shot several guns, and with the last round from an M48, she found an engagement ring and a note asking her to marry Drago. The proposal, designed by Drago to be both budget-friendly and memorable, eschewed formalities and grandeur for a personal touch.
Drago acknowledges that their marriage is a process of continuous improvement, jokingly admitting that his wife sees him as a "project under construction." The couple nurtures their connection through a shared faith, reading books on spirituality together nightly. Drago lauds Rachel's emotional intelligence, appreciating how she can calm him when angry, and credits both this and their shared spirituality for the strength of their marriage.
Drago’s family life includes pride in his children's accomplishments and a commitment to their education.
Drago is a dedicated father to two biological children, ...
Drago's Personal Life and Relationships
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