In this episode of the Shawn Ryan Show, Tom Spooner, a former Delta Force operator, shares his tumultuous upbringing in Belle Glade, Florida. The discussion covers Spooner's challenging childhood marked by domestic turmoil, and how he developed resilience through experiences akin to "Lord of the Flies." Spooner also delves into his extensive military career, spanning deployments to Afghanistan and Iraq, and his struggles with addiction, traumatic brain injury, and post-traumatic stress disorder.
Spooner's journey takes a poignant turn as he grapples with the transition to civilian life after leaving the military due to injuries. Notably, the episode explores Spooner's founding of Warrior's Heart, an organization providing holistic healing for veterans and first responders battling addiction, PTSD, TBI, and moral injury.
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Tom Spooner details his difficult childhood in Belle Glade, Florida, where he grew up dealing with a turbulent family life. Shawn Ryan describes Spooner's alcoholic father who instilled a strong work ethic through demanding chores. From a young age, Spooner learned to survive through physical violence and developed resilience in this rough environment reminiscent of "Lord of the Flies." Despite adversity, he found solace in football and earning money through lawn mowing. The military always enticed Spooner, inspired by his Vietnam veteran uncle and both grandfathers' military service.
Spooner enlisted in the Army, intending to join the Rangers. After completing Ranger training, he transitioned to the Special Forces. Ryan notes Spooner's deployments included 1 in Afghanistan and 11 in Iraq over 40 months of combat. Spooner vividly recounts his first killing experience, mass casualty events, and the emotional toll of witnessing injured countrymen. Despite trauma, he remained dedicated, never missing a deployment due to the ingrained brotherhood.
While maintaining sobriety during service, Spooner was a high-functioning alcoholic from 16, using alcohol to cope with emotions like shame and anxiety. His drinking worsened until he decided to pursue sobriety. Ryan highlights Spooner's battles with undiagnosed traumatic brain injury (TBI) and PTSD, leading to erratic behavior and suicidal thoughts before getting treatment.
Leaving the military proved immensely difficult for Spooner, conflicted by his "warrior" identity. However, recognizing his family's struggles and inability to lead from the front due to injuries motivated his departure. Spooner realized the need for specialized veteran/responder treatment during his recovery. He co-founded Warrior's Heart, providing holistic healing for addiction, PTSD, TBI, and moral injury in a military setting - with activities like counseling, workshops, yoga and nature outings. The program aims to bridge the military-civilian divide while empowering its "warriors healing warriors."
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Tom Spooner's journey to resilience began in the small town of Belle Glade, Florida, shaped by a turbulent family life and an early attraction to the military.
From 1970 to 1987, Spooner's early life in Belle Glade—a town centered around farming—was marked by instability and hardship. His father, who worked at a sugar cane mill and grappled with alcoholism, taught Spooner and his siblings the value of hard work through demanding chores around the house and yard. Despite his father's issues with alcohol and lack of emotional support, Spooner learned to tackle challenges from a young age.
Spooner described his childhood environment as comparable to "Lord of the Flies," highlighting the "survival stuff" that went on amongst the local kids. This harsh backdrop forged his resilience, with bullying being a routine part of life, propelling him to learn self-defense and survival through violence.
Spooner started earning his own money at the tender age of 10 by mowing lawns in South Florida's grass that seemed to grow ceaselessly. Football became a sanctuary for him, providing a structured contrast to his chaotic home life. He was determined to excel despite being naturally lean and skinny, and his drive in sports further cemented his robust work ethic.
Military life had always beckoned Spooner, partly due to the influence of his family members—his uncle, a three-tour Vietnam veteran, and ...
Spooner's background and early life
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Tom Spooner's extensive military career is marked by notable service in the U.S. Army's elite units and harrowing combat experiences that spanned decades and multiple conflicts.
Shawn Ryan introduces Tom Spooner as a retired Master Sergeant with 21 years in the U.S. Army, with a notable early career in the 82nd Airborne Division. Before enlisting, Spooner experienced minor legal issues, being on probation for acts like shooting signs within city limits. He enlisted on a two-year contract and went to Airborne School as a cadet in 1989. After enlisting in the Army, he intended to join the 11 Bravo infantry and go to the Ranger Indoctrination Program (RIP) but became an 11 hotel instead due to the X-Ray program. Spooner made repeated efforts to attend Ranger School and, upon completion, returned to the 82nd Airborne with his Ranger tab.
During the Gulf War, Spooner was in Saudi Arabia, waiting to move forward with his unit. The environment of the 82nd Airborne Division included veterans from Vietnam and Panama. Spooner was eager to attend Ranger School, and after managing to become a specialist despite hearing problems, he successfully completed the school, despite recycling mountains, and came back to the 82nd Airborne as a Ranger-qualified specialist.
Spooner transitioned from the 82nd Airborne to the Special Forces. In December 1995, he went to Special Forces Selection and passed, later joining the 7th Special Forces Group. His new brotherhood in Special Forces operated in regions like Central and South America during a time preceding the events of 9/11.
After training with his new team, Spooner anticipated going to war, reflecting on his 11 years of military experience leading up to that moment. During an operation before deployment, while boarding a plane, he sustained an injury but remained focused on his combat responsibilities. Spooner described feeling at home during combat, noting the clarity of rules and decision-making in war.
He joined Delta and had 12 combat deployments, 1 to Afghanistan and 11 to Iraq, totaling 40 months in combat at a team level. He served in the first class to graduate from Operator Training Course at Delta post-9/11 and had combat operations such as intercepting individuals planning attacks on Americans as part of a task force in Afghanistan. His involvement in a gunfight where he shot an individual reaching for a PKM machine gun marked the first time he had killed another person. He describes feeling neither rage nor joy but a sense of professional fulfillment.
Spooner recounts several mass casualty events that left a striking emotional impact on him. On ...
Spooner's military career and combat experiences
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Shawn Ryan highlights the challenges faced by Tom Spooner with chemical dependency, traumatic brain injury (TBI), and untreated trauma known as post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).
Tom Spooner discusses his sobriety and how he dealt with the pressures of the Special Operations community. Despite maintaining sobriety while serving, Spooner admits to being a high-functioning alcoholic from a young age, using alcohol as his main emotional coping tool during his military career. He began drinking at the age of 16, finding that it helped him feel normal and kept negative emotions like shame, guilt, anxiety, and panic attacks at bay. Over time, this consistent use of alcohol did not necessarily lead to extreme drunkenness but was persistent enough to be a problem, eventually leading to a deterioration of personal relationships, especially his marriage.
Spooner's drinking escalated to the point where he would drink as often as possible, experiencing only bad times associated with it toward the end. His alcohol use was a perpetual solution to his problems, and yet it also caused problems, such as when he got drunk on the night his wife threatened to leave if he drank again. This highlights his struggle to control his alcohol use despite his intent to quit. Ultimately, he decided to commit to a sobriety process after resisting alcohol for 62 days.
In addition to his struggles with alcoholism, Spooner dealt with the ramifications of a TBI and PTSD. His panic attacks and unexpected absence from military formation signaled a deviation from his usual behavior. These issues led to significant emotional instability, including an episode where h ...
Spooner's struggles with addiction, mental health, and PTSD
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Tom Spooner's journey from military life to co-founding Warrior's Heart highlights the challenges faced by veterans and first responders in their transition back to civilian life.
Spooner describes his transition out of the military as one of the hardest experiences of his life, harder than the events he went through during his military career. Despite initially planning for a 30-year career in the Army, he decided to leave, influenced not by a caring about rank but by an understanding that leading from the front was no longer possible due to his physical condition and desire to stay sober, avoiding narcotics for pain management. His family, showing signs of exhaustion and struggling from the tempo of military life, also played a significant role in his decision. The visible tiredness of his family at his retirement ceremony and his own shift to a negative outlook made him recognize that it was time to move on. Following his "med boarding" out of the military, he faced the challenge of his team deploying without him for the first time, realizing that while difficult, his departure was the right choice.
Spooner's own recovery and sobriety journey among warriors at Fort Bragg, and the impactful fellowship he found there, influenced his view on treatment, especially because this environment starkly differed from a civilian setting. Through his vocal journey of handling therapy for various injuries and conditions, Spooner implicitly recognized the need for specialized treatment that understands the struggles unique to veterans and first responders.
Spooner, through his work at Warrior's Heart, ensures the organization reflects a military mindset, intertwining spirituality and sobriety with military decision-making processes. They offer a holistic approach to healing by treating chemical dependency, PTSD, TBI, and moral injury concurrently in an environment familiar to service members. Spooner emphasizes the phrase "warriors healing warriors," showcasing the specialized, communal environment at the facility. Notably, the organization has helped over 3,000 warriors thus far, with a 90% completion rate for their 42-day course. Spooner indicates that the success rate for staying sober after departing the facility is at 60%.
Therapeutic activities at Warrior's He ...
Spooner's transition to civilian life and the founding of Warrior's Heart
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