This episode delves into the disturbing case of Carly, a young woman accused of murdering her mother and stepfather. The discussion centers on Carly's mental state and the insanity defense, weighing the arguments that her actions were driven by psychosis and uncontrolled mental illness or were calculated and premeditated.
The summary explores the grim evidence and crime details, including chilling video footage and Carly's bizarre courtroom behavior, which some view as manipulative. Different theories surrounding Carly's motivations and her relationship with her stepfather are examined, leaving listeners to contemplate the complexities of this harrowing case.
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In the case of Carly, the defense argues she was experiencing a psychotic break due to mental health issues like depression, anxiety, and potential bipolar disorder and schizophrenia. They claim medication exacerbated her symptoms, leading to a state where she blacked out and could not control her actions. The prosecution disputes this, arguing Carly's actions were calculated and showed awareness.
Stephanie Soo narrates chilling hidden camera footage showing Carly's calm movements before shooting her mother. Text messages lured her stepfather Heath to the scene, where he was shot. His 911 call describes finding his wife's body and being attacked by Carly. Evidence like gunshot residue on Carly's hands further incriminates her.
Carly's bizarre courtroom behavior, including smirking, giggling, and odd facial expressions, is seen as strange and manipulative by observers. Her emotional displays like crying are criticized as insincere. The defense dresses Carly in a youthful, "doll-like" style, accused of trying to make her appear innocent.
Many struggle to reconcile Carly's high intelligence and young age with the brutal crime. Some see her as a tragic figure impacted by mental illness, while others view her as calculating and manipulative. Heath's support for Carly generates debate over their relationship's nature and his potential trauma bonding or manipulation. Theories range from an inappropriate relationship to Heath being another of Carly's victims.
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The case of Carly is dissected as her defense team presents an insanity defense while the prosecution argues her actions were deliberate with an awareness of her conduct.
The defense portrays Carly as a young girl overwhelmed by significant mental health issues, including depression, anxiety, and potential bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, and not fully responsible for her mother’s murder. They assert that she was compliant with her medication, but the medication actually exacerbated her symptoms. During a state of acute stress, Carly supposedly experienced a state of psychosis, and the defense describes this as a 'perfect storm' where she blacked out and could not control her actions. Carly was diagnosed after the murder with bipolar two and reported having auditory hallucinations throughout her life. She had previously seen a therapist occasionally for depression but had never mentioned hearing voices until after the murder.
The defense also suggests that Carly's father's mental health condition and her family history implied a higher risk of schizophrenia, although no diagnosis was found for him. They argue that variations in her medication led to a psychotic break, mentioning that she was initially on [restricted term], which made her feel like a zombie, and then was switched to [restricted term].
In addition, the defense produces journal entries where Carly questions her mental state, even asking, "Do I have schizophrenia?" and they mention her self-medicating with weed, which was purported to be volatile for her mental health.
The prosecution challenges the insanity defense by showing evidence of Carly's calculated behavior. They indicate that Carly intentionally retrieved a gun and texted her stepfather, actions which seem to bear the markings of planning and awareness. They also argue that in situations like the body cam footage, where Carly is able to confirm the type of weapon used and inquire about her stepfather, she demonstrates awareness and memory of the event.
The prosecutors argue that Carly's blackout seemed conveniently timed just before the murder and yet she was able to use her mother's phone code and text her stepfather, a contradiction suggesting an awareness of her actions. They affirm Carly had mental health problems such as anxiety ...
Carly's mental state and the insanity defense
Stephanie Soo narrates a chilling incident that culminates in the murder of a mother as related evidence unfolds in court.
Soo describes how the hidden camera footage reveals Carly's calculated movements on the day of the crime. Carly is shown entering the home quietly, with the footage capturing her release of the family's two golden retrievers and careful walk through the kitchen. She stealthily checks the living room and moves with something concealed behind her back, believed to be a gun. Moments later, the camera picks up the sound of a gunshot, followed by two more rounds. Carly then reappears, her calm demeanor intact as she places the gun out of the camera's sight on the counter. The camera, which is normally mounted on a high shelf in the kitchen, is discovered behind stacks of water bottles in the refrigerator, suggesting someone had tried to hide it.
Further evidence against Carly emerges as her text messages and a 911 call are presented in court. Carly had sent texts to her stepfather, Heath, luring him back to the home where she then fired shots at him. Heath's distress is palpable in the 911 call that was played during the trial, where he exclaims in agony upon finding his wife Ashley's body and describes being shot by his stepdaughter Carly.
Heath Smiley, overwhelmed with emotion, tells the operator, "She killed her, she killed her mom, she's dead on the floor of my daughter's stepdaughter's room." When the dispatched officer arrives, Heath is fou ...
The evidence and details of the crime
Carly’s courtroom behavior and appearance have attracted attention and criticism throughout the trial, with many seeing her actions as strange and her presentation as an attempt at manipulation.
During the trial, Carly’s behavior has been called into question by many. Observers have described her as smirking, giggling, and making odd facial expressions at times that seemed inappropriate. For example, Stephanie Soo noted that Carly exhibited a full smirk when discussing her Harry Potter obsession with villains. In a particularly stark interaction, when Heath was asked to identify the person who shot at him, they both smiled at each other as he pointed to Carly.
Interestingly, Carly appeared remarkably calm when she emerged from the storm drain after the crime, a demeanor that contrasts greatly with the heightened emotions she displayed during the trial.
Carly was highly emotional during the trial, especially when hearing Heath’s 911 call. Observers, however, criticized these emotional displays, characterizing Carly’s crying as insincere. For instance, she only cried when called a victim and when her defense attorneys emphasized her closeness with her mother, prompting some to view these tears as forced. Observers noted her crying at seemingly random times, such as when an unrelated witness was being sworn in, which further fueled skepticism about her sincerity.
Carly’s attire was a point of concern for many. Her polished, "doll-like" appearance, marked by plaid dresses, collared dress shirts, cardigans with gold buttons, and frilly sleeves, was notably different from her attire at the time of her arrest. The defense's choice of clothing le ...
Carly's behavior and demeanor during the trial
There are numerous theories and debates about Carly's motivations and culpability in the brutal crime she committed, largely colored by perceptions of her intelligence, young age, and the complexity of her family dynamics.
Friends of Carly, such as Jason and Jenny, noticed a shift in her behavior, which included smuggling knives and cheating on exams—actions that were out of character, leading them to plan an intervention. Despite her high ACT scores and intelligent background, Carly’s behavior was erratic and risky. The state’s expert psychiatrist saw her anger towards her friends and desire to appear a certain way as elements of personality rather than psychosis. Carly’s own writings suggest a deep fascination with complex criminal concepts and various forms of manipulation. On the defensive side, Carly’s mental health issues and her biological father’s bipolar disorder are suggested as extenuating circumstances.
There are viewpoints that pin Carly's actions on undiagnosed and untreated mental illnesses, such as bipolar disorder, exacerbated by medication. These perspectives view her as a tragic figure, overwhelmed by her own psychological challenges and family dysfunction.
Conversely, some label Carly as a highly intelligent and fully aware individual capable of premeditated behavior, potentially dismissing the notion that mental illness significantly influenced her actions.
Heath Smiley's behavior during and after the crime has generated significant debate. There are contrasting views on his level of complicity in the crime, the nature of his relationship with Carly, and the possible psychological effects he may have experienced.
Heath’s lethargic and emotionless testimony sparked controversy, with possible explanations ranging from the raw nature of the events to a response to medication ...
Theories and debates around Carly's motivations and culpability
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