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Primo Paulie's Fight for Redemption | Richard Cabral, Real Ones Pt. 2

By Jon Bernthal

In this episode of REAL ONES with Jon Bernthal, Richard Cabral and his cousin Paulie Navarro share their struggles with childhood trauma, substance abuse, and incarceration. Paulie opens up about growing up in a dysfunctional home with an abusive, addicted father and uncle, which fueled his own battles with drug addiction from a young age.

The two discuss how finding purpose through heritage, fatherhood, and the Homeboys organization provided the turning point to break free from negative cycles. Paulie credits traditional practices, being a role model for his daughter, and the mentorship at Homeboys Industry for his personal growth and motivation to transform his life. Their candid conversation offers insight into overcoming adversity and the power of community support during the journey of redemption.

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Childhood trauma and family dysfunction

Paulie Navarro shares his childhood experiences of growing up in a dysfunctional home with substance abuse, abuse, and neglect from his father, a "full-blown drunk" who heavily used PCP and crack cocaine. Paulie's uncle was also an alcoholic drug addict. With his mother often absent for work, Paulie was vulnerable to abuse and traumatic incidents like witnessing his uncle's self-harm.

Substance abuse and incarceration

As a coping mechanism for his traumatic upbringing, Paulie began using marijuana, [restricted term], and [restricted term] as a pre-teen, escalating to intravenous drug use for prolonged highs. His addiction led to repeated cycles of incarceration, parole violations, and further criminal activity. Paulie's cousin Rich Cabral recounts providing him drugs and the environment encouraging aggression that enabled their substance abuse.

Spiritual and personal growth

Paulie credits finding purpose and strength through traditional ceremonies and rituals of his Chicano and Aztec heritage. He says these spiritual practices helped process his trauma, gave him motivation to get sober, and allowed him to develop a healthier mindset, breaking free from negative patterns.

Fatherhood and breaking generational cycles

Having a daughter, Alexis, inspired Paulie to get sober and transform himself into the positive role model he never had. He's committed to providing her with a proper upbringing that allows her to enjoy a carefree childhood, unlike his own. Rich Cabral also expresses desire to be a present father for his son and break his own cycle of dysfunction.

The impact of the Homeboys organization

Paulie found a supportive community, purpose, and mentorship at Homeboys Industry that was pivotal in his transformation. Working jobs like a barista helped discover new passions. He credits the guidance of the Homeboys staff, particularly a Jesuit priest, with giving him the tools and motivation to stay positive.

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- Explore your heritage to find strength by researching your family's cultural practices and integrating any meaningful rituals or traditions into your daily life to foster a sense of identity and resilience.

  • For example, if you have Irish ancestry, you might look into traditional Irish music and learn an instrument like the tin whistle or bodhrán, using the discipline required for practice as a metaphor for personal growth and recovery.
  • Create a personal transformation plan by identifying key areas in your life you want to improve, setting specific, measurable goals, and seeking out a mentor or support group to help guide you through the process.
  • Start by writing down one area you want to change, such as improving your physical health. Set a goal like running a 5k within six months, and then join a local running club or online community for support and accountability.
  • Use storytelling to inspire change by writing a letter to a future family member, like a child or niece/nephew, explaining the challenges you've faced and how you've worked to overcome them, to serve as a reminder of your commitment to breaking negative cycles.
  • In the letter, include stories of your struggles, the steps you've taken to grow, and the values you hope to pass on, keeping it as a personal keepsake or sharing it with family members as a testament to your journey.

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Childhood trauma and family dysfunction

Paulie Navarro shares his harrowing experiences of growing up in a dysfunctional home environment marked by substance abuse and a cycle of abuse and neglect, shedding light on the long-term effects of such an upbringing.

Paulie's traumatic upbringing in a dysfunctional home environment, including substance abuse and abuse from his father

As a child, Paulie witnessed his father and uncles abuse substances such as crack, cocaine, PCP, and cheap alcohol like Cobra beer. He describes his father as a "full-blown drunk" who was heavily into PCP and crack cocaine, often treating him poorly compared to his siblings. The family environment was chaotic and unsafe, with substance abuse creating a neglectful and abusive atmosphere.

Paulie's father was a heavy drug user and abusive alcoholic, and his uncle was also an alcoholic and drug addict

Paulie provides a glimpse into the severity of his family's dysfunction. His father was an abusive alcoholic, and his uncle was a "full-blown alcoholic drug addict." Even when his father was urgently in need of hospitalization, his mother refused to take him, forcing Paulie and his brother to carry their father to the car.

Paulie's mother was often absent, leaving him vulnerable to the abuse and neglect of his father and uncle

Paulie's mother was frequently absent due to work, leaving him alone and afraid of doing chores incorrectly for fear of physical punishment from his father. During one harrowing incident, Paulie's mother was in the room watching TV and did not intervene as his uncle engaged in self-harm in the kitchen.

Paulie experienced significant trauma as a young child, including witnessing his uncle's self-harm and his father's deteriorating health

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  • You can create a personal safety plan to ensure you have steps to follow if you find yourself in an unsafe environment. Start by identifying a trusted friend or family member you can contact in an emergency, establish a code word for when you need immediate help, and keep a small emergency fund or a pre-packed bag with essentials in case you need to leave quickly.
  • Develop a self-care routine to help manage stress and trauma that may arise from past experiences. This could include daily mindfulness or meditation, journaling your thoughts and feelings, engaging in regular physical activity, or setting aside time for hobbies that bring you joy and relaxation.
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Substance abuse and incarceration

Paulie Navarro's life provides a stark illustration of how a traumatic childhood can lead to substance abuse and a cycle of incarceration. His story highlights the tragic results of using drugs as a coping mechanism and the challenges of breaking free from a life interwoven with drug use and crime.

Paulie's descent into substance abuse and criminal behavior as a coping mechanism for his traumatic childhood

By the tender age of 11 or 12, Paulie Navarro started smoking marijuana and not long after, escalated to [restricted term] and [restricted term]. To cope with his home life and the abuse he endured, Paulie began injecting drugs to maintain longer highs, though he kept this heavier usage hidden from friends and family by doing it alone.

Paulie Navarro's substance abuse originated in his pre-teen years and rapidly intensified. Seeking to escape his traumatic home life, Paulie initially turned to marijuana. As the effects of drugs like marijuana began to wane, he ascended to stronger substances such as [restricted term] and [restricted term] to help him medicate his escalating needs—eventually leading to intravenous drug use for prolonged highs.

He described a life dominated by substance abuse until he found sobriety five years ago, after a stint in rehab in San Pedro. The intensity of Paulie's early drug use, often occurring in isolation, presaged a difficult battle ahead.

Paulie began using drugs like marijuana, [restricted term], and heroin as a pre-teen to self-medicate and escape his home life

Fundamentally, his substance abuse was tightly interwoven with his domestic turmoil. At about 12 years old, Paulie reached a critical juncture, defending himself from his father's drunken tirades with a kitchen knife—this incident illustrated the violence that plagued his upbringing and foreshadowed his inclination for extreme actions, often correlating with criminal behavior later on.

Paulie admits to having become a full-fledged drug addict experiencing continuous cycles of jail time and rehab stints. Despite receiving support, particularly from a cousin, he found achieving sobriety an immense challenge. On one occasion, after escorting his father to the hospital, Paulie and his brother pursued drugs as a form of solace, underscoring drug use as their coping mechanism.

Substance use was normalized in his familial interactions, such as smoking [restricted term] and drinking beer with his father, which he considered akin to bonding activities. His recurrent law-breaking behavior, exemplified by driving illegally while on parole, further entrenched his cycles of criminality and substance misuse.

Paulie's drug use led to repeated cycles of incarceration, parole violations, and further criminal activity

While Rich Cabral, Paulie's cousin, recollected providing Paulie with PCP when he was about 15, Paulie himself recollected his father's use of "sherm." This familial inclination toward drug use was not only passively absorbed but was actively enforced, as demonstrated by Cabral's insistence on Paulie using [restricted term].

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  • You can create a personal "trigger tracker" to identify patterns that might lead to unhealthy coping mechanisms. Start by jotting down situations, emotions, or people that seem to precede negative behaviors. Over time, you'll be able to spot trends and work on strategies to avoid or manage these triggers more healthily.
  • Develop a "relationship map" to visualize the impact of your actions on those around you. Draw a circle for yourself in the center of a page, and then draw lines connecting to other circles representing people in your life. Label the lines with the effects your behaviors have on these relationships, whether positive or negative, to gain perspective on the broader implications of your actions.
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Spiritual and personal growth

Paulie's story is one of transformation and healing. Through commitment to spiritual and cultural practices, he finds renewed purpose, strength, and a path to recovery.

Paulie's journey of finding purpose, meaning, and a path to recovery through spiritual and cultural practices

Paulie speaks from his heart about the power of traditional ceremonies and rituals that have profoundly influenced his life and helped him overcome personal struggles.

Paulie discovered the power of traditional ceremonies and rituals to help him process his trauma and find inner peace

Through his participation in ceremonies, Paulie intimates how these spiritual activities positively impact him. He senses a profound connection and guidance during these practices, feeling that the Spirit communicates with him, offering clarity and direction.

Paulie credits these spiritual practices with giving him the strength and motivation to get sober and make positive changes in his life

Paulie attests to the transformative power of his spiritual practices, emphasizing that they have not only made him stronger—mentally, physically, and spiritually—but also instrumental in his sobriety. Using traditional medicine as a daily "reset," he aligns these practices with his Chicano and Aztec heritage, making them an integral part of his identity and recovery journey.

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  • While Paulie's story is inspiring, it's important to recognize that spiritual and cultural practices may not have the same transformative effect for everyone, as individual experiences with spirituality can vary greatly.
  • The efficacy of traditional ceremonies and rituals in overcoming personal struggles is largely subjective and may not be supported by empirical evidence, which could be important for individuals seeking treatments that have been scientifically validated.
  • The notion that spiritual activities can offer clarity and guidance might not resonate with those who do not hold spiritual beliefs or who have not had similar experiences within their own cultural or spiritual frameworks.
  • The claim that spiritual practices alone can provide the strength and motivation to get sober could be seen as an oversimplification of the complex process of recovery from addiction, which often requires a multifaceted approach including medical and psychological interventions.
  • Traditional medicine, while valuable in a cultural and personal context, may not be a substitute for conventional medical treatments, especially for serious health conditions.
  • The idea of a spiritual awakening leading to a healthier mindset might not acknowledge the potential role of other factors in pers ...

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  • You can explore your own cultural roots to find practices that resonate with you, such as researching traditional healing methods or rituals from your heritage and incorporating them into your daily routine. For example, if you have Irish ancestry, you might look into Celtic meditation techniques or create a small ritual around nature, which is a significant element in Celtic tradition.
  • Start a personal "reset" ritual by choosing a time each day to engage in a simple, grounding activity that connects you to your values and goals. This could be as straightforward as spending five minutes each morning writing down three things you're grateful for, which can help shift your focus to positive growth and self-improvement.
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Fatherhood and breaking generational cycles

Paulie and Rich Cabral both discuss the profound impact fatherhood has had on them, and their desire to break the cycle of dysfunction and trauma for the sake of their children.

Paulie's realization that he needed to break the cycle of dysfunction and trauma for the sake of his own daughter

Paulie did not want his daughter Alexis to suffer the neglect and abuse he experienced during his childhood. His love for Alexis and the realization of his role as a father inspired him to make a significant change in his life. He became determined to get sober and transform himself into the positive role model he himself never had. Through his incarceration, he saw pictures of his daughter which motivated him to improve. Paulie highlighted the importance of not allowing his daughter to grow up too fast and to enjoy a carefree childhood, things he did not experience. He is dedicated to providing proper guidance and support, emphasizing the need to create an upbringing that Alexis could look back on with gratitude.

Becoming a father inspired Paulie to get sober and work on becoming the positive role model he never had growing up

Paulie made a conscious decision to change his behavior while reflecting on his past during his time in prison. He recognized that to be a better person for his daughter, he needed to break away from his previous lifestyle. This realization was a powerful catalyst in Paulie's life, inspiring him to pursue sobriety and provide a stable environment for Alexis.

Paulie is committed to guiding his daughter in a way that allows her to enjoy a carefree childhood and avoid the pitfalls that plagued his own upbringing

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  • Create a visual timeline of your family history to identify patterns you want to change. Start by mapping out significant events in your family's past, including your own experiences, and highlight the moments you feel contributed to negative cycles. This visual aid can help you pinpoint what specific behaviors or situations you aim to transform for the next generation.
  • Establish a daily reflection ritual to assess your parenting actions. At the end of each day, take a few minutes to jot down moments where you felt you either perpetuated or broke away from negative cycles. This practice encourages mindfulness and accountability, allowing you to make more conscious decisions about how you interact with your children.
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The impact of the Homeboys organization

Paulie's involvement with the Homeboys organization and how it played a pivotal role in his personal transformation

Paulie Navarro's life underwent a profound change due to his involvement with Homeboys Industry, the world's largest nonprofit organization dedicated to helping former gang members and previously incarcerated individuals.

Paulie found a sense of community, purpose, and support at Homeboys that he had never experienced before

Navarro found in Homeboys a spiritually meaningful place that offered a sense of community, purpose, and support—elements he had not experienced prior to joining the organization. The head of Homeboys, a Jesuit priest he refers to as his "new father Greg," took Navarro under his wing, showing a deep commitment to the wellbeing of every "broken child and person," which Navarro implies included himself.

Rich Cabral and Navarro highlight the importance of embracing the opportunities provided by Homeboys for personal transformation. Navarro underscores that those who do not seize these opportunities might face severe consequences, as he recalls many who have passed away, arguably because they did not follow through with the support available.

Navarro stresses the significance of doing one's part in the process of recovery, indicating a balance between the help offered by Homeboys and self-responsibility. This also suggests a potential quick return to negative outcomes for those who abandon the guidance provided by Homeboys and revert to their previous ways.

Working various jobs at Homeboys, including as a barista, helped Paulie discover new passions and build practical skills for a fulfilling career

At Homeboys, Navarro engaged in a variety of roles, from working in the bakery to managing merchandising, which demonstrates the array of job opportunities Homeboys provides to help members build diverse practical skills. Paulie, in particular, developed a passion for making coffee while working as a barista. He speaks with surprise and delight about his enjoyment and aspirations in the field, expressing a strong commitment to honing his craft.

His newfound passion also includes a dedication to teaching others, revealing his desire to pass on his skills to individuals who share similar backgrounds to his own. Although the details of how Homeboys facilitated these developments are not specified, it ...

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  • While Homeboys Industry may offer a supportive environment, it is not the only path to transformation; individuals can find change through various means such as other organizations, personal relationships, or self-initiated efforts.
  • The sense of community at Homeboys is beneficial, but it might not suit everyone; some individuals may feel overwhelmed or uncomfortable in communal settings and may thrive in more independent or different social structures.
  • The emphasis on seizing opportunities at Homeboys could be perceived as placing undue pressure on individuals who are already dealing with complex personal issues, suggesting that failure to transform is a personal shortcoming rather than a complex interplay of circumstances.
  • The narrative of self-responsibility might oversimplify the challenges faced by former gang members and previously incarcerated individuals, not accounting for systemic barriers that can impede recovery and reintegration.
  • The variety of jobs at Homeboys is commendable, but the skills gained may not always translate to opportunities outside the organization, potentially limiting long-term career prospects in the broader job market.
  • Paulie's passion for making coffee and teaching others is inspiring, but it may not reflect a univer ...

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  • You can volunteer at a local community organization to find a sense of belonging and purpose. By dedicating a few hours each week to a cause you care about, you'll not only contribute to your community but also potentially discover new interests and skills that can lead to personal growth.
  • Start a small peer-mentoring group in your area to foster self-responsibility and support among members. This could be as simple as meeting once a week to discuss goals, challenges, and progress, providing a structured way for you and others to stay accountable and motivated.
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