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Color From the Courtroom

By Rachel Maddow

In this episode of Rachel Maddow Presents: Déjà News, insight is offered into the prosecution's strategy against former President Donald Trump in a high-profile case. Focus is placed on the key witness Keith Davidson and how his testimony, combined with evidence like recordings, aimed to establish Trump's awareness of the alleged hush money scheme.

The episode also covers arguments surrounding potential violations of the gag order, including Trump's attacks on jurors that prompted stern warnings from the judge. Requests to repost media criticism of witnesses and the judge's refusal to pre-screen posts are examined, highlighting the stringency in upholding the gag order's terms.

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Prosecision's Strategy With Witness Keith Davidson

In a high-profile case against ex-President Donald Trump, the prosecution relies heavily on witness Keith Davidson's testimony. Andrew Weissmann shared insights on their strategy:

Countering the Defense's Claims

Davidson's testimony refuted claims that Trump was unaware of Michael Cohen's payments to Stormy Daniels. The prosecution used Davidson's testimony and supporting evidence to affirm Trump's involvement in the alleged hush money scheme.

Addressing Davidson's Credibility Issues

The prosecution aimed to "take the sting" out of Davidson's credibility issues upfront. They acknowledged his negative traits, positioning his weaknesses as strengthened by corroborating proof like texts, emails, recordings, and additional testimonies.

Tape Recordings as Evidence

Trump-Cohen Discussion

A tape of Trump and Cohen discussing payments to Karen McDougal allowed jurors to hear Trump's voice and awareness of the scheme.

Cohen-Davidson Tape

Another Cohen-Davidson tape suggested Trump received advice asserting the scheme's actions were proper. This opens potential testimony from Hope Hicks or others who may have counseled Trump.

Disputes Over Gag Order Violations

Trump's Jury Attacks "Very Troubling"

The judge expressed grave concerns over Trump's attacks on the jury, deeming them potential witness tampering despite the defense's justifications. Fines were issued, with a stern warning of possible imprisonment for future violations.

Requests to Repost Critical Media Articles

Trump's team inquired about reposting articles critical of witnesses, seeking preapproval. The judge refused, reiterating the gag order's clear terms and emphasizing unwillingness to pre-screen every potential post.

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  • The high-profile case against ex-President Donald Trump involves allegations related to hush money payments made to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal during the 2016 presidential campaign. The prosecution is focusing on proving Trump's involvement in these payments, which could have legal implications for him. Witnesses like Keith Davidson and Michael Cohen play crucial roles in providing testimony and evidence to support the prosecution's case. The case has also seen disputes over gag order violations and concerns about potential witness tampering.
  • Keith Davidson is a key witness in the case against ex-President Donald Trump. His testimony contradicted claims of Trump's ignorance regarding payments made to Stormy Daniels. The prosecution used Davidson's testimony and supporting evidence to establish Trump's involvement in the alleged hush money scheme. The prosecution addressed Davidson's credibility issues by acknowledging his flaws and reinforcing his statements with corroborating evidence like texts, emails, recordings, and additional testimonies.
  • The tape recordings in the case serve as crucial evidence to demonstrate Trump's awareness and involvement in the alleged hush money scheme. They provide direct audio evidence of discussions between key individuals, shedding light on the nature of the scheme and Trump's knowledge of it. These recordings help corroborate witness testimonies and strengthen the prosecution's case against Trump. The tapes play a significant role in countering the defense's claims and establishing a timeline of events related to the payments.
  • The disputes over gag order violations in the case against ex-President Donald Trump involve his team's attempts to repost critical media articles about witnesses, seeking preapproval, which the judge refused due to the gag order's terms. Trump's attacks on the jury were deemed potentially as witness tampering, leading to fines and a warning of possible imprisonment for future violations. The judge expressed serious concerns over these actions, emphasizing the need to adhere to the gag order's restrictions to ensure a fair trial.

Counterarguments

  • Davidson's past credibility issues could be argued to undermine the reliability of his testimony, regardless of corroborating evidence.
  • The defense might argue that the tapes do not conclusively prove Trump's involvement or awareness, as they could be interpreted in different ways or lack context.
  • The advice Trump allegedly received about the scheme's actions being proper could be framed as a legitimate legal consultation, rather than evidence of wrongdoing.
  • Concerning the jury attacks, the defense could argue that Trump's comments were within his First Amendment rights and not intended as witness tampering.
  • The defense might also argue that the gag order is overly restrictive and impedes their ability to present their case to the public, especially in a high-profile political case.
  • Regarding the refusal to pre-screen potential posts, the defense could argue that this limits their ability to engage in public discourse and defend their client in the court of public opinion.

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Prosecision's Strategy With Witness Keith Davidson

The prosecution in a high-profile case involving former President Donald Trump relies on witness testimony to solidify its arguments against Trump's alleged involvement in a hush money scheme. The strategy is centered around the use of Keith Davidson's testimony.

Use his testimony to confirm Trump's awareness of hush money scheme

Davidson's testimony was crucial in countering the defense's argument that Trump was not involved and that Michael Cohen acted independently when he paid off Stormy Daniels. The defense suggested that Cohen, out of loyalty to Trump, independently resolved the situation using a home equity line. First, the government elicited explanations from Davidson which the defense was expected to challenge, thereby affirming Trump's involvement and setting the stage for further discussions around the nature of the hush money scheme.

Lash Davidson to emails, texts, and documents to counter his recalcitrance

Andrew Weissmann offered insights into the defense’s strategy regarding Keith Davidson. The defense portrayed Davidson's involvement as part of a civil settlement rather than extortion but attempted to stoke the jury's emotions, painting the scheme participants as "bottom feeders" and eliciting sympathy for Trump.

The prosecution did not press Davidson as hard as they did David Pecker, who had more intimate dealings with Trump and admitted to engaging in intentional defamation pursuant to an agreement with Trump. Instead, the prosecution used Davidson's testimony in conjunction with other evidence.

Take the "sting" out regarding his and Cohen's credibility issues upfront

The prosecution preemptively addressed Michael Cohen's credibility issues, acknowledging that many find Cohen ...

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  • A hush money scheme typically involves paying someone to keep quiet about certain information, often to prevent damaging details from becoming public. In this case, it involves allegations that Donald Trump was involved in paying hush money to Stormy Daniels to keep her affair with him secret. The prosecution is using witness testimony to show that Trump was aware of and involved in this scheme, countering the defense's claims of independence in the payments. The defense, on the other hand, is trying to portray the payments as part of a civil settlement rather than extortion.
  • Keith Davidson is a lawyer who represented Stormy Daniels in legal matters related to a hush money payment. Michael Cohen, Trump's former lawyer, facilitated the payment to Daniels. Donald Trump was allegedly involved in the hush money scheme, with Davidson's testimony crucial in establishing Trump's awareness of the situation. Cohen's actions were initially portrayed as independent, but the prosecution aimed to show Trump's involvement through Davidson's testimony.
  • The prosecution in a high-profile case involving former President Donald Trump is relying on witness testimony, particularly from Keith Davidson, to support their arguments agai ...

Counterarguments

  • The reliance on Keith Davidson's testimony could be seen as a weak point if Davidson himself has credibility issues or if his testimony is not corroborated by other evidence.
  • Suggesting that Trump was aware of the hush money scheme based on Davidson's testimony alone may not be sufficient without direct evidence linking Trump to the actions taken by Cohen.
  • The defense might argue that Davidson's connection to emails, texts, and documents does not necessarily prove complicity or awareness on Trump's part, but rather routine legal communications.
  • The prosecution's decision not to press Davidson as hard as David Pecker could be interpreted as a lack of confidence in Davidson's testimony or its relevance to the case.
  • Addressing credibility issues up ...

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Tape recordings introduced as evidence

During legal proceedings, tape recordings have been brought forth as pivotal evidence, a move that sheds light on key figures and their involvement in a hush money scheme.

Trump-Cohen discussion of payments to McDougal

A tape recording capturing a conversation between President Donald Trump and his lawyer, Michael Cohen, was presented to the jury. This marked the first occasion the jury heard Trump's voice in the trial, which implicated his awareness of the payment arrangements.

First time jury hears Trump's voice

The introduction of the tape in the courtroom allowed the jurors to listen directly to Trump's voice in the context of discussions regarding payments to Karen McDougal. His awareness and potential involvement in the scheme became audible evidence.

Shows his awareness of scheme

Further dissecting the tape's content, it illustrates Trump's cognizance of the hush money operations. His agreement to proceed with payments, as indicated by David Pecker's statement and the litigations involving Stormy Daniels and the pseudonym "David Dennison," solidify his acknowledged participation.

Previously unknown Cohen-Davidson tape

An additional recording, previously undisclosed, features a conversation between Michael Cohen and Keith Davidson, extracted from Cohen’s phone by the FBI. This tape could further unravel who advised Trump, potentially paving the way for testimonies from individuals close to the matter, including Hope Hicks.

Suggests Trump was advised scheme was the right move

This tape suggests that Trump received counsel asserting that the actions taken were the proper course. Cohen is heard stating that "every person" advised that this was the correct decision, implicitly involving more individuals in the advice chain.

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Tape recordings introduced as evidence

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  • The hush money scheme mentioned in the text involves payments made to individuals like Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels to keep them from publicly discussing their alleged affairs with Donald Trump. These payments were intended to silence these women and prevent potentially damaging information from becoming public. The scheme also involved legal agreements and intermediaries like Michael Cohen and David Pecker to facilitate and cover up these payments. Hope Hicks and other advisors may have been involved in advising Trump on these matters, as suggested by the recordings.
  • David Pecker, the CEO of American Media, Inc., was involved in the hush money scheme related to Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels. His statement could have confirmed Trump's awareness and involvement in the payment arrangements. Pecker's role in facilitating the payments and his potential cooperation with authorities could have added weight to the evidence presented in the trial.
  • The litigations involving Stormy Daniels and "David Dennison" pertain to legal cases related to hush money payments made to Stormy Daniels, an adult film actress, to keep her alleged affair with Donald Trump confidential. "David Dennison" was a pseudonym used for Donald Trump in the non-disclosure agreement with Stormy Daniels. These litigations were significant in uncovering details about the hush money scheme and Trump's involvement in attempts to silence potentially damaging information. The legal battles and revelations surrounding these cases added to the scrutiny on Trump's conduct and raised questions about campaign finance laws and ethical considerations.
  • Keith Davidson was a lawyer who represented Karen McDougal, a former Playboy model who alleged an affair with Donald Trump. He was involved in negotiating deals related to McDougal's stor ...

Counterarguments

  • The recordings may not provide the full context of the conversations, potentially leading to misinterpretation of the intent or content of the discussions.
  • The quality and audibility of the tape recordings could be questioned, which might affect the clarity and the jurors' understanding of the evidence.
  • The evidence of Trump's voice on the tape does not necessarily equate to guilt or direct involvement in illegal activities; it only establishes his awareness of the payments.
  • The tapes may be subject to legal challenges regarding how they were obtained, their chain of custody, and whether they were recorded with consent, potentially affecting their admissibility in court.
  • The interpretation of the advice given to Trump as being the "right move" could be subjective and not necessarily indicative of an endorsement of illegal activity.
  • The suggestion that Trump was advised that the scheme was the right move does not confirm that he was advised legally or ethically, only that ...

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Ongoing disputes over gag order violations

Disputes over Donald Trump's adherence to a gag order have led to serious concerns from a judge about potential witness tampering and jury influence.

Trump attacks on jury very troubling to judge

The defense team, including Todd Blanche, faced challenges in justifying comments made by Mr. Trump regarding the jury. Although Blanche contended that Trump did not attack any specific juror but only the jury in general, the judge found this reasoning unconvincing and remained extremely troubled by the potential impact on the jury. The judge expressed concern for the well-being of all witnesses, highlighting fears beyond just those related to Michael Cohen and Stormy Daniels. Ultimately, the judge reserved decision on the gag order dispute but emphasized the seriousness of these attacks on the jury, suggesting that fines, or even imprisonment, could be considered for future violations.

Defense unable to justify comments

Mr. Trump was found to have violated the gag order on nine occasions and was fined $1,000 per incident, the maximum under New York law, for a total of $9,000 in fines. The judge mentioned that simply fining Mr. Trump might not suffice given his wealth. The warning was clear: further violations could potentially lead to incarceration. While prosecutors did not seek jail sentences for the four new alleged violations, as Mr. Trump had not been specifically warned about the possibility of incarceration for these incidents prior to the judge's warning, they requested fines for each.

Requests to repost media articles attacking witnesses

Susan Neckles, representing Mr. Trump, inquired if the defense could repost articles by conservative commentators even tho ...

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Ongoing disputes over gag order violations

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  • Gag orders are legal restrictions that prevent parties involved in a case from discussing certain aspects publicly. Violating a gag order can lead to serious consequences like fines or even imprisonment. In this case, Donald Trump's comments about the jury and witnesses were seen as potential violations of the gag order, raising concerns about influencing the trial proceedings. The judge imposed fines on Trump for violating the gag order multiple times and warned of possible incarceration for future violations. The defense team's attempts to justify Trump's comments were met with skepticism by the judge, emphasizing the seriousness of adhering to the gag order.
  • The case involving Donald Trump revolves around disputes regarding his adherence to a gag order, with concerns raised about potential witness tampering and jury influence. Trump's defense team faced challenges justifying his comments about the jury, leading to fines for violating the gag order. The judge warned of potential incarceration for future violations, emphasizing the seriousness of the situation. Requests to repost media articles attacking witnesses were denied pre-approval by the judge, highlighting the ongoing uncertainty surrounding the case.
  • Violating a gag order, which restricts what parties can publicly discuss about a legal case, can lead to fines or even imprisonment. In this case, Donald Trump violated the gag order multiple times and was fined for each violation. The judge warned that further violations could result in more severe consequences, potentially including incarceration. The defense team faced challenges justifying Trump's comments, and the judge expressed serious concerns about the impact on the jury and potential witness tampering.
  • The defense team, led by Todd Blanche, faced challenges in justifying Donald Trump's comments regarding the jury. Despite arguing that Trump's remarks we ...

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