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Ali Velshi: Violence is who Donald Trump is. But he can be stopped

By Rachel Maddow

Dive into riveting political discourse with "Rachel Maddow Presents: Déjà News," where host Ali Velshi joins forces with historian Timothy Snyder to examine former President Donald Trump's troubling pattern of incendiary language and veiled threats, which experts fear may incite real-world violence. Stepping beyond the bounds of typical political jargon, Trump persists in lionizing January 6th insurrection participants while defying conventions by sharing grotesquely manipulated images indicative of violent acts. The examination of his speech reveals alarming parallels to historically dangerous rhetoric, raising serious questions about its impact on societal norms and the political landscape.

Meanwhile, on the legal front, the tension surrounding Trump's management of classified documents garners attention, as Special Counsel Jack Smith disputes Judge Aileen Cannon's application of the Presidential Records Act, highlighting the urgency of judicial precision due to potential election implications. In the business realm, Trump Media's financial turbulence and dubious associations cast a shadow over its future, raising eyebrows across the fiscal sector. And beyond American borders, the episode sheds light on the escalating humanitarian crisis in Gaza, calling for heightened U.S. diplomatic engagement to protect innocent lives and reevaluate the nation's strategic alliances. With perspectives from Sheelah Kolhatkar, José Andrés, Neal Katyal, and others, this episode delivers a multifaceted look at contemporary challenges and the contentious figures central to them.

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Ali Velshi: Violence is who Donald Trump is. But he can be stopped

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Trump's Violent and Threatening Rhetoric and Actions

Ali Velshi and Timothy Snyder discuss former President Donald Trump's escalation of rhetoric to include predictions of violence and forceful overthrows. Trump has been defending convicts at rallies, claiming a "bloodbath" will occur if he isn't elected, and has used phrases like "stop Biden's border bloodbath" hinting at dire consequences for the country.

Trump has normalized violent imagery and indirect threats, such as sharing a doctored image of Joe Biden shot in the head and implicitly encouraging violence by stating he would cover legal fees for violent supporters. His rhetoric embraces those involved in the January 6th insurrection as patriots, showing support for their violent actions.

His language has included Nazi-like phrases, describing immigrants in ways echoing Adolf Hitler, while failing to condemn white supremacists during the Charlottesville violence.

Classified Documents Case Against Trump

The clash over Trump's handling of classified documents continues to intensify. Special Counsel Jack Smith has criticized Judge Aileen Cannon for her interpretation of the Presidential Records Act and how it applies to Trump. Legal experts support Smith's stance.

Smith has even prepared for potential appeals or mandamus actions to compel a ruling from Judge Cannon, which seems necessary given her repeated erroneous decisions. He is urging for a decision before trial to ensure the option to appeal if needed and before double jeopardy could prevent retrial. The significance of the case's timing cannot be overstated as the decision could affect Trump's potential re-election bid.

Troubled Trump Media Finances & Shady Dealings

Trump Media is under financial scrutiny, with doubts about the company's ongoing viability. Its stock value has plummeted, and there is skepticism about the company's business plan and operations under the True Social banner.

Additionally, there are controversies related to an insider trading investigation and guilty pleas. Reports also surface of an emergency loan tied to a Russian-American businessman under federal criminal investigation, which brings further doubt on the transparent conduct of Trump Media's financial dealings.

Crisis in Gaza & Calls for U.S. Pressure on Israel

The crisis in Gaza worsens with the killing of humanitarian aid workers from Chef Jose Andres' World Central Kitchen by an Israeli airstrike. Andrés claims the attack was on humanity itself, advocating for the opening of routes for essential supplies and cessation of attacks on civilians.

President Biden is set for tough talks with Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu regarding the situation. National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan has warned of potential famine. Calls are growing for the U.S. to leverage its influence over Israel, urging policy changes and an end to the provision of weapons that result in civilian deaths. The U.S. is encouraged to pressure policy changes and treat Netanyahu as part of the problem, seeking a shift in U.S.-Israel relations.

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Clarifications

  • Special Counsel Jack Smith is a lawyer appointed to investigate and potentially prosecute cases of suspected wrongdoing where there is a conflict of interest for the usual prosecuting authority. Special counsels are typically appointed to handle cases involving high-profile individuals or situations where a regular prosecutor may have a conflict of interest. The term "special counsel" is used in the U.S. legal system to describe this role, especially in cases involving government officials or sensitive matters.
  • Judge Aileen Cannon is a United States district judge in the Southern District of Florida, appointed by President Donald Trump in 2020. She has been involved in high-profile cases related to Trump, including a civil case involving materials seized from Trump's property and a federal criminal case against him. Cannon's decisions in these cases have drawn attention and debate among legal experts.
  • Double jeopardy is a legal principle that prevents a person from being tried for the same crime after being acquitted or convicted, ensuring protection against multiple prosecutions for the same offense. It typically applies within the same jurisdiction and safeguards individuals from being subjected to repeated trials for the same alleged conduct. In some cases, exceptions may exist, allowing for a new trial under specific circumstances, such as the emergence of new and compelling evidence. Double jeopardy is a fundamental aspect of criminal law aimed at promoting fairness and preventing potential abuse of the legal system.
  • Chef Jose Andres' World Central Kitchen is a non-profit organization founded by renowned chef José Andrés. The organization focuses on providing meals in the wake of natural disasters and humanitarian crises around the world. World Central Kitchen has been involved in various relief efforts, including responding to emergencies like hurricanes, earthquakes, and conflicts, by setting up kitchens to feed those in need. José Andrés and his team work to ensure that food is not only a source of nourishment but also a symbol of hope and support during challenging times.
  • National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan is a key advisor to the President on national security matters, participating in high-level meetings and providing guidance on security issues. The role involves offering independent advice to the President, separate from the Department of State and Department of Defense. The National Security Advisor does not require Senate confirmation for the appointment. The influence and responsibilities of the National Security Advisor can vary depending on the administration and the President's management style.
  • Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is a prominent Israeli politician who has served as Prime Minister of Israel for multiple terms. He is a member of the Likud party and is known for his conservative views on security and foreign policy. Netanyahu has been a controversial figure both domestically and internationally, with his leadership marked by strong stances on issues such as Israeli settlements, relations with Palestine, and the Iran nuclear deal.

Counterarguments

  • Trump's rhetoric is often interpreted differently by his supporters, who may see his language as metaphorical or as a form of political hyperbole rather than literal calls to violence.
  • Some argue that Trump's support for January 6th participants is an expression of his belief in their right to protest and does not necessarily equate to an endorsement of violence.
  • The use of strong language against political opponents or to describe policy positions is not unique to Trump and can be seen across the political spectrum.
  • The handling of classified documents is a complex legal issue, and some legal experts may argue that the Presidential Records Act allows for a broader interpretation that could favor Trump's position.
  • Trump Media's financial issues could be seen as growing pains typical of new companies, and some investors may retain confidence in the company's long-term potential.
  • The insider trading investigation and guilty pleas may not directly implicate Trump or the company's executives, and the company may argue that it is committed to resolving any issues transparently.
  • The situation in Gaza is complex, and some may argue that the U.S. should not unilaterally pressure Israel without considering the broader security context and Israel's right to self-defense.
  • There may be alternative views on the U.S.-Israel relationship that emphasize the importance of maintaining strong ties for regional stability and shared democratic values, rather than applying pressure for policy changes.

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Trump's Violent and Threatening Rhetoric and Actions

Ali Velshi and Timothy Snyder discuss how former President Donald Trump's rhetoric has escalated to include violent words and actions, using fear to maintain a grip on power.

Calls for violence, "blood bath" predictions

Snyder indicates that there has been a lack of attention to Trump’s rallies where he frequently starts by defending those convicted of crimes and laying out the premise that the American system should be forcibly overthrown. Trump's statement about a "bloodbath" if he isn't elected hints at severe repercussions for industries like auto and the nation as a whole. Furthermore, Ali Velshi highlights Trump’s use of the phrase "stop Biden's border bloodbath" in a Michigan speech, adding to the pattern of predicting violence.

Stochastic threats, including a doctored image of Joe Biden killed

Snyder discusses Trump's normalization of violent speech and indirect threats, referencing Trump’s posting of a doctored image of a truck with a representation of Joe Biden shot in the head. Besides this stark image, Trump has also famously said he could shoot someone on New York's Fifth Avenue without losing any voters, and he has promised to pay legal fees for supporters who engaged in violence against protesters at his rallies.

Claims to embrace and support January 6th rioters

Trump has referred to those jailed for the January 6th insurrection as patriots, suggesting they are being wrongly held as hostages, rather than acknowledging them as criminals. He ha ...

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  • Stochastic threats involve using indirect, vague, or coded language to inspire violence without directly inciting it. This tactic allows the instigator to distance themselves from any resulting harm. It often relies on ambiguous statements that can be interpreted as encouraging violence without explicitly stating it. Stochastic threats are characterized by their seemingly random and unpredictable nature.
  • A doctored image of Joe Biden killed is a manipulated or altered picture that depicts Joe Biden, the former Vice President and President of the United States, in a violent or fatal scenario. In this context, it was posted by Donald Trump, the former President of the United States, as a form of political attack or incitement. Such images are often used to spread false or misleading information, provoke emotional responses, or damage the reputation of the individual depicted.
  • The January 6th insurrection refers to the events that unfolded on January 6, 2021, when a violent mob of supporters of then-President Donald Trump stormed the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C. The insurrection occurred as Congress was in the process of certifying the electoral college results of the 2020 presidential election. The rioters breached the Capitol building, leading to vandalism, looting, and clashes with law enforcement. The incident resulted in multiple injuries, deaths, and significant damage to the Capitol complex.
  • Dehumanizing language involves using words or phrases that strip individuals of their humanity, often portraying them as inferior or less deserving of respect. It can lead to the justification of mistreatment, violence, or discrimination against certain groups by diminishing their worth or dignity. Dehumanization is a dangerous tool that historically has been used to incite violence, justify atrocities, and oppress marginalized communities. Understanding and recognizing dehumanizing language is crucial in combating prejudice and promoting empathy and equality.
  • Comparisons to Nazis in the context of the text highlight similarities in rhetoric and actions between former President Donald Trump and historical figures like Adolf Hitler. This comparison is drawn to emphasize the use of dehumanizing language and the normalization of violence in political discourse. It underscores concerns about the impact of such rhetoric on socie ...

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Classified Documents Case Against Trump

The legal battle over classified documents involving former President Donald Trump is intensifying, with Special Counsel Jack Smith criticizing Judge Aileen Cannon's decisions and preparing for potentially pivotal appeals.

Judge Cannon's questionable rulings, Jack Smith's rebukes

Special Counsel Jack Smith has issued strong words towards Judge Aileen Cannon in a new filing. Smith asserts that Judge Cannon is wrong on the law regarding the Presidential Records Act and its relation to the illegal possession of classified national defense information. Legal experts agree with Smith and suggest that Judge Cannon is in error for refusing to issue a ruling on Trump's motion to dismiss under the Presidential Records Act. Smith, stressing the need for a decision before the trial, wants the chance to appeal in advance if necessary.

Joyce Vance remarks on Smith's thorough rebuttal of Trump's team arguments, while also highlighting that the 11th Circuit, which historically acts quickly on appeals of Judge Cannon's orders, does not typically call for a judge's recusal based on case conduct, unless there is a financial conflict of interest. However, Vance notes that the 11th Circuit has the authority to remove a judge who has been repeatedly reversed, citing a precedent from her experience.

Possible appeals or mandamus actions

Smith warned that he may seek a mandamus action, an appeal to a higher court to compel Judge Cannon to make a ruling, indicating that Cannon's decisions may be so erroneous as to warrant immediate action. Vance notes that Smith discussing filing a motion to mandamus suggests he has received approval from the Solicitor General, as federal prosecutors do not typically make idle threats about such actions.

Judge Cannon should rule now to allow time for appeals before jeopardy

Smith urgently requests Judge Cannon to make a decision clear now, before jeopardy attaches, to allow the government the chance to seek appellate review. He insists on a ruling to preserve the ability to appeal before double jeopardy ...

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  • Special Counsel Jack Smith criticized Judge Aileen Cannon for her interpretation of the Presidential Records Act and its application to the possession of classified national defense information. Smith argued that Cannon's refusal to rule on Trump's motion to dismiss under the Presidential Records Act was incorrect and emphasized the need for a prompt decision to allow for potential appeals before the trial begins. Smith may pursue a mandamus action to compel Judge Cannon to make a ruling if necessary.
  • Seeking a mandamus action involves requesting a higher court to compel a lower court or a government official to perform a specific duty. It is typically used when there is a belief that the lower court has acted improperly or failed to act when required. This legal remedy is sought to prompt a swift decision or action in situations where delay could cause harm or injustice. The decision to grant a mandamus is at the discretion of the higher court and is usually considered in urgent or exceptional circumstances.
  • In the legal context, jeopardy typically refers to the point in a criminal proceeding where a defendant's rights are protected from being tried again for the same offense. Once jeopardy attaches, the defendant cannot be retried for the same crime. It is a fundamental principle to prevent double jeopardy, ensuring that individuals are not subjected to multiple prosecutions for the same alleged conduct. Jeopa ...

Counterarguments

  • Judge Cannon's rulings may be based on her interpretation of the law and the unique circumstances of the case, which could be defensible from a legal standpoint.
  • The Presidential Records Act and its application to former presidents could be subject to legal interpretation, and Judge Cannon may have a valid legal rationale for her decisions.
  • Legal experts' agreement with Smith does not necessarily mean Judge Cannon's interpretation is incorrect, as legal opinions can vary widely among experts.
  • The urgency expressed by Smith for a pre-trial decision and potential appeals might be seen as rushing the judicial process, which traditionally takes a careful and measured approach to ensure fairness.
  • The possibility of seeking a mandamus action is an extraordinary legal step, and Judge Cannon's delay in ruling might be seen as a careful consideration rather than an error warranting such action.
  • The suggestion that the trial should occur before any potential election to avoid interference could be countered by the argument that the timing of legal p ...

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Troubled Trump Media Finances & Shady Dealings

Trump Media's financial stability and practices are under intense scrutiny as they face significant issues regarding their capacity to operate, stock value, and questionable financial arrangements.

Stock crash and loss of billions in value

An independent auditor responsible for reviewing the finances of Trump Media has expressed "substantial doubt" about the company's ability to continue as a going concern, indicating severe financial instability within the company.

Questionable valuation and business plan

The viability of Trump Media's business has come into question, with concerns raised about the legitimacy of its operations under True Social and its unclear trajectory towards profitability.

Insider trading investigation and guilty pleas

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  • True Social is a social media platform that was launched by Trump Media. It was intended to be a key component of Trump Media's business strategy. However, concerns have been raised about the platform's operations and its ability to contribute to the profitability of Trump Media. The success or failure of True Social could significantly impact the overall financial health and future prospects of Trump Media.
  • Trump Media's financial instability stems from an independent auditor expressing doubts about the company's ability to continue operating, indicating severe financial challenges. The company's stock value has plummeted significantly, leading to concerns about its long-term viability ...

Counterarguments

  • The auditor's doubt about Trump Media's ability to continue may be a standard cautionary statement that auditors make about any company facing financial difficulties, and it does not necessarily predict the company's failure.
  • The legitimacy of Trump Media's operations under True Social could be a matter of perspective, and the company may have a valid business model that is not yet fully understood or appreciated by the public or critics.
  • The unclear trajectory towards profitability could be due to the company being in its early stages, where many startups typically struggle before finding their footing and becoming profitable.
  • An investigation for insider trading does not imply guilt, and it is possible that the investigation ...

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Crisis in Gaza & Calls for U.S. Pressure on Israel

Killing of aid workers from Jose Andres' group

The crisis in Gaza escalates as seven aid workers from Chef Jose Andres' World Central Kitchen were killed in an Israeli airstrike. José Andrés reported the team members, being part of a humanitarian convoy, were systematically targeted over a stretch of about 1.5 to 1.8 kilometers despite their vehicles being clearly marked. Andrés is adamant that the attack was not against terrorism but against humanity.

Statements from Andres & calls for access, end to attacks on civilians

Chef Andrés has spoken out against the actions, insisting that humanitarian workers and civilians should never face the consequences of war. He has called on Israel to immediately open land routes for food and medicine, to cease the killing of civilians and aid workers, and to move toward peace.

Biden administration warnings to Israel on crisis, famine risk

President Biden is preparing to speak with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, with the White House indicating that there will be "tough conversations" after the killing of the World Central Kitchen aid workers. National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan has warned Israel about the growing humanitarian crisis in Gaza that could lead to a famine declaration, which would be a rare occurrence in the 21st century. Furthermore, U.S. officials are concerned over Israel's ability to conduct an orderly evacuation of civilians from Rafah.

Calls for policy changes from U.S. to pressure Israel

José Andrés has urged the Israeli government to make policy changes, calling for increased access to food and ...

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  • World Central Kitchen is a non-profit organization founded by Chef José Andrés. It focuses on providing meals in the wake of natural disasters and humanitarian crises around the world. The organization is known for its quick response and efficient distribution of food to those in need during emergencies. José Andrés and his team have been involved in various relief efforts globally, working to alleviate hunger and support communities in times of crisis.
  • The crisis in Gaza involves escalating tensions, with recent events including the killing of aid workers from Chef Jose Andres' World Central Kitchen in an Israeli airstrike. This incident has raised concerns about the humanitarian situation in Gaza, with calls for Israel to open land routes for essential supplies and to cease attacks on civilians. The Biden administration has expressed worries about a potential famine declaration in Gaza and is preparing to have discussions with Israeli leaders to address the crisis. Calls have been made for policy changes and increased U.S. pressure on Israel to improve the situation and promote peace in the region.
  • The humanitarian convoy mentioned in the text was part of Chef Jose Andres' World Central Kitchen, an organization known for providing food relief in crisis situations. The aid workers from this group were targeted and killed in an Israeli airstrike while they were on a mission to deliver aid to those in need in Gaza. The convoy members were clearly marked as humanitarian workers, and their vehicles we ...

Counterarguments

  • The Israeli government may argue that their military actions are a response to threats and are conducted with the intention of targeting militants, not civilians or humanitarian workers.
  • Some may contend that the complexity of urban warfare, especially in densely populated areas like Gaza, makes it difficult to avoid civilian casualties entirely, despite efforts to do so.
  • There could be a perspective that the responsibility for civilian safety also lies with militant groups who may operate within civilian areas, potentially leading to tragic outcomes during military engagements.
  • It might be argued that the provision of offensive weapons to Israel by the U.S. is part of a broader security alliance and is necessary for Israel's self-defense in a volatile region.
  • Some may believe that a unilateral policy shift by the U.S. could undermine the delicate balance of power in the Middle East and potentially destabilize the region further.
  • There could be a viewpoint that tough conversations and diplomatic pressure are part of ongoing strategic dialogues and that behind-the-scenes negotiations may be more effective than public ultimatums.
  • It might be suggested that the Israeli government has legitimate security concerns that m ...

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