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The Fair Administration of Justice

By Rachel Maddow

Dive into the latest episode of Rachel Maddow Presents: Déjà News, where hosts Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord probe the intricate webs of the United States legal system entangled by political strife. The episode dissects former President Donald Trump's controversial actions that could be straining the nation's judiciary, including his escalation of personal attacks against judges and the potential implications for the fair administration of justice. As these issues bubble to the surface, the podcast closely examines the reverberations felt within legal circles and beyond.

With a focus on recent events that have seen an uptick in attacks on judges and consequential broadening of gag orders, this episode does not shy away from the tough questions. It also takes a hard look at the accountability—or lack thereof—facing lawyers tied to Trump's orbit, fighting the ethical battles on the fringes of the rule of law. Listen as Weissmann and McCord sift through the intricacies of legal proceedings, disciplinary actions, and the steadfast belief in upholding judicial integrity amidst political tumult.

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Donald Trump's increased attacks on the judiciary and the rule of law

Donald Trump escalates his criticisms of the judiciary by targeting judges and their family members, specifically attacking a sitting judge's daughter on social media. This marks a worrying trend, with 138 such instances occurring since late 2022. His behavior has intensified concerns among judges like Reggie Walton about the security of their families and has contributed to a broader perception of the judiciary's vulnerability. Notably, the week of January 7th and two critical weeks in March saw a spike in these activities.

In response, Judge Marchand has broadened a gag order initially issued on March 26th to also cover the family members of court personnel and the District Attorney, following requests for clarification by DA Alvin Bragg after his daughter became a target. Trump has been warned that any violation of this updated order could lead to severe legal consequences, including contempt proceedings and the loss of access to juror information.

The threat to fair judicial proceedings from Trump's conduct

Donald Trump's actions are scrutinized for potentially undermining fair judicial proceedings. Weissmann criticizes Trump's defense of his attacks as "campaign advocacy," which a judge has dismissed as a lie. Trump's motion to delay his trial indefinitely due to pretrial publicity—much of which he himself generated—is seen as an audacious strategy. Bragg points out that this narrative undermines trust in legal institutions. It is underscored that usual court procedures, like voir dire, are typically sufficient to counteract pretrial publicity, casting doubt on the necessity of Trump's request.

Lawyers involved in Trump's schemes facing accountability

Lawyers connected to Trump's post-election activities are facing disciplinary actions, including disbarment proceedings. John Eastman, an advisor to Trump, has been recommended for disbarment after a thorough 34-day trial consisting of numerous testimonies and exhibits, uncovering evidence of a conspiracy to obstruct congressional proceedings.

Similarly, Jeffrey Clark, a former DOJ lawyer, faces proceedings in DC due to his involvement in promoting unfounded claims of election fraud and his attempt to manipulate DOJ stances. His resistance, including invoking the Fifth Amendment numerous times, has been widely criticized. These proceedings against Eastman and Clark are parts of a broader accountability effort directed at lawyers who engaged in actions related to Trump's administration, emphasizing the legal community's commitment to ethics and responsibility.

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  • Judge Marchand initially issued a gag order on March 26th to restrict public comments. The order was expanded to cover family members of court personnel and the District Attorney after DA Alvin Bragg's daughter was targeted. This expansion aimed to protect the families of those involved in the legal proceedings from potential harm or interference. Violating the updated order could result in severe legal consequences for those involved, including contempt proceedings and restricted access to juror information.
  • Weissmann criticized Trump's defense as "campaign advocacy" to suggest that Trump's actions were not protected political speech but rather an attempt to influence legal proceedings for his benefit. This criticism implies that Trump's attacks on the judiciary were not merely political rhetoric but potentially harmful to the fairness of the legal process. Weissmann's statement underscores the concern that Trump's behavior could undermine the integrity of judicial proceedings by politicizing them for personal gain.
  • Trump's motion to delay his trial indefinitely due to pretrial publicity means that he requested to postpone his trial because of extensive media coverage and public attention before the trial began. This strategy aims to ensure a fair trial by allowing time for the publicity to subside and for potential jurors to be less influenced by outside information. The motion suggests that Trump's legal team believes the intense media scrutiny could impact the impartiality of the jury and the fairness of the trial proceedings.
  • Voir dire is the process during jury selection where potential jurors are questioned to determine their suitability for a trial. It helps identify biases or preconceptions that could affect a juror's impartiality. By conducting voir dire effectively, attorneys can ensure a fair and unbiased jury is selected for the trial. This process is crucial in countering any potential influence of pretrial publicity on jurors' perceptions and decisions.
  • John Eastman, an advisor to Donald Trump, faced a recommendation for disbarment after a thorough trial. This trial involved multiple testimonies and evidence that revealed his involvement in a conspiracy to obstruct congressional proceedings. The recommendation for disbarment signifies a serious disciplinary action within the legal profession. Eastman's actions were scrutinized in a legal setting, leading to the decision for disbarment.
  • Jeffrey Clark, a former DOJ lawyer, faced proceedings in Washington, DC, for his involvement in promoting baseless claims of election fraud. These claims were related to the 2020 U.S. presidential election and were widely debunked by election officials and courts. Clark's actions were part of a broader effort to challenge the election results, which led to legal and ethical scrutiny of his conduct.
  • Jeffrey Clark's resistance and invoking the Fifth Amendment multiple times indicate his refusal to testify or provide self-incriminating evidence in legal proceedings. The Fifth Amendment protects individuals from being compelled to incriminate themselves in criminal cases. By invoking this constitutional right, Clark is choosing not to answer questions or provide information that could potentially implicate him in any wrongdoing. This act of resistance can complicate legal proceedings and investigations by limiting the information available to authorities.

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Donald Trump's increased attacks on the judiciary and the rule of law

Donald Trump’s repeated criticisms of members of the judiciary and their families have escalated concerns, prompting judges to take a firm stand to protect the integrity of the court system and ensure safety for those involved.

The expanded gag order prohibiting Trump and his associates from threatening members of the court and their families

In response to Donald Trump's series of posts on social media that criticized and referenced the sitting judge’s daughter, a significant concern has been raised regarding the attacks on family members associated with the judiciary. Trump has targeted judges or their family members by name 138 times since initiating his campaign late in 2022, with a notable escalation of such activities during certain periods, including the week of January 7th and two weeks in March.

Threats against federal judges have sharply risen since late 2020, triggering alarms within the judicial community. Judges such as Reggie Walton have made public their worries concerning the judges' and their families' security. The January 6th rioters, along with Trump's actions, have been pointed out by judges Hogan and Lambert as detrimental to the judiciary’s stature and the public's confidence in the legal system.

Following this trend, Judge Marchand expanded an existing gag order. The move was catalyzed when District Attorney Alvin Bragg sought clarification from the court after attacks directed at Judge Machan's daughter. The court's gag order, initially issued on March 26th, was broadened to encompass not only personnel associated with the court proceedings but also their family members.

The updated gag order now extends protection to the family members of the DA, the judge, court staff, the pr ...

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  • Donald Trump has been criticized for targeting judges or their family members by name multiple times since late 2022, with a notable increase during certain periods. This has raised concerns about the safety and security of judges and their families within the judicial community. The January 6th riot and Trump's actions have been highlighted as factors detrimental to the judiciary's reputation and public trust in the legal system. In response to these concerns, measures such as expanded gag orders have been implemented to protect court personnel and their families from threats and attacks.
  • The threats against judges and their families mentioned in the text primarily involve public criticisms and attacks made by Donald Trump, particularly on social media platforms. These attacks have raised concerns about the safety and security of judges and their relatives, prompting the need for protective measures such as expanded gag orders. The text does not provide specific details on the exact nature of the threats beyond mentioning criticisms and targeting of family members associated with the judiciary. The judges' worries about security and integrity stem from the increased frequency and intensity of these attacks, leading to actions like the implementation of gag orders to safeguard those involved in legal proceedings.
  • The events related to the January 6th riot involved a violent attack on the U.S. Capitol by supporters of then-President Donald Trump. This insurrection led to concerns within the judiciary about threats to the safety and integrity of the legal system. Judges Hogan and Lambert highlighted the negative impact of the riot and Trump's actions on public trust in the judiciary.
  • The expanded gag order prohibits Donald Trump and his associates from threatening not only court personnel but also their family members. This order aims to safeguard the integrity of court procee ...

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The threat to fair judicial proceedings from Trump's conduct

McCord and Weissmann explore the potential threat to fair judicial proceedings stemming from Donald Trump's conduct, with particular attention paid to his claims and motions which could undermine the legal process.

His absurd claim that attacks were just "campaign advocacy"

Weissmann discusses Trump's attempt to downplay his false statements about the judge's daughter as mere "campaign advocacy." The judge dismissed this claim as "farcical," which is judicial language for a lie. This angle explores Trump's strategy of undermining the judicial process by framing his behavior in a way that misconstrues its intent and impact.

His motion to delay the trial due to pretrial publicity that he himself created

Trump’s legal team has raised concerns about the fair administration of justice, arguing that fair judicial proceedings are under threat due to pretrial publicity, largely generated by Trump himself. Bragg pointed out the unease and nervousness of parties involved in the case due to the atmosphere created by Trump and his supporters' narrative, which undermines institutions and erodes public confidence.

Particularly striking is Trump's motion to indefinitely postpone his trial due to this publicity. What stands out is the irony that Trump, the source of much of the attention surrounding the case, would cite pretrial publicity as a reason for delay, which Weissmann characterizes as showing chutzpah.

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  • Chutzpah is a term that describes audacity or boldness, often with a negative connotation of overstepping boundaries or behaving in an insolent manner. It signifies a combination of gall, nerve, effrontery, and arrogance. In the context provided, it is used to highlight Trump's boldness in making a motion to delay his trial due to pretrial publicity that he himself generated.
  • Voir dire is a legal process where prospective jurors are questioned to determine their suitability for a trial. It also involves questioning witnesses to assess their competency and the admissibility of evidence. The term originates from Old French and Latin, reflecting the concept of speaking the truth. In some jurisdictions, voir dire can also be a separate hearing to assess evidence or the competency of individuals involved in the trial.
  • Frivolous motions in legal proceedings are actions or requests made by a party that lack merit or are not based on valid legal reasoning. These motions can be seen as attempts to delay or disrupt the legal process without genuine justification. Courts have mechanisms, like sanctions, to address and discourage the filing of frivolous motions to ensure the efficient and fair administration of justice.
  • Strategic positioning of a case for potential d ...

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  • Trump's claim that his statements were "campaign advocacy" could be seen as an attempt to invoke First Amendment protections, which allow for a broad range of speech in the political arena.
  • Arguing for a trial delay due to pretrial publicity could be a legitimate concern for ensuring an impartial jury, even if the defendant contributed to the publicity.
  • The motion to delay the trial might be based on the belief that the current climate is too politically charged for a fair trial, and that a delay could lead to a more neutral environment.
  • The suggestion that less publicity might be present at a later date could be based on the assumption that public interest may wane over time, or that other news events might shift focus away from the case.
  • The use of voir dire to mitigate the effects of pretrial publicity might not always be sufficient if the jury pool has been overwhelmingly exposed to one-sided narratives.
  • Implementing a procedure to prev ...

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Lawyers involved in Trump's schemes facing accountability

The legal ramifications of the Trump presidency are not limited to the political sphere; lawyers involved in Trump's post-election activities are now facing formal accountability measures for their purported misconduct, including disbarment proceedings.

Disbarment proceedings against John Eastman for conspiring with Trump to obstruct Congress

John Eastman, who served as an advisor to Donald Trump, has faced a comprehensive legal examination regarding his conduct and its ethical implications during a 34-day trial that featured public testimonies, cross-examinations, and a substantial submission of evidence. A judge issued a ruling that John Eastman violated ethical rules on 10 out of 11 charges and recommended his disbarment.

Evidence and testimony over 34 days leading to key findings

During the trial, which spanned over 34 days, 23 witnesses were called, and more than 700 exhibits were presented, speaking to the extensive nature of the proceedings against Eastman. Judge Carter found clear and convincing evidence of a conspiracy between Eastman and Trump to obstruct a lawful function of the government, the electoral count on January 6, 2021. The evidence included records of Eastman meeting with Trump before January 6, where he attempted to convince Vice President Pence to unilaterally discard certain electoral votes.

Despite the comprehensive nature of the case against him, Eastman is currently suspended as a lawyer pending appeal, and the final ruling on his status will come from the California Supreme Court.

Ongoing proceedings against Jeffrey Clark for pressuring DOJ over election fraud claims

In parallel, Jeffrey Clark, a former Department of Justice lawyer, is embroiled in proceedings in DC concerning his attempts to leverage the DOJ into supporting false claims of election fraud. Notably, Clark bypassed DOJ leadership, directly approaching Trump with a proposition that resulted in a brief moment as acting attorney general ...

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  • John Eastman served as an advisor to Donald Trump and was involved in post-election activities. He faced disbarment proceedings due to his alleged role in conspiring with Trump to obstruct Congress during the electoral count on January 6, 2021. The legal examination against Eastman revealed evidence of a conspiracy between him and Trump to interfere with the government's lawful functions. Eastman's actions included meeting with Trump before January 6 to persuade Vice President Pence to reject certain electoral votes.
  • On January 6, 2021, a joint session of Congress was convened to certify the Electoral College results of the 2020 presidential election. During this session, a violent mob stormed the U.S. Capitol in an attempt to disrupt the certification process. The mob's actions led to chaos, injuries, and deaths, prompting the evacuation of lawmakers and a temporary halt to the proceedings. Despite the insurrection, Congress reconvened later that evening and ultimately certified Joe Biden's victory as the next President of the United States.
  • Disbarment proceedings are formal actions taken by a legal authority to revoke a lawyer's license to practice law due to misconduct or ethical violations. Ethical violations in the legal profession involve actions that breach established codes of conduct or professional standards, such as dishonesty, conflicts of interest, or engaging in illegal activities. These violations are typically investigated through disciplinary processes within legal institutions and can result in penalties ranging from reprimands to disbarment. Disbarment is the most severe penalty, permanently barring a lawyer from practicing law.
  • Jeffrey Clark, a former Department of Justice lawyer, attempted to persuade the DOJ to support baseless claims of election fraud. He bypassed DOJ leadership to directly involve then-President Trump in his efforts, causing significant internal turmoil. Clark's actions led to a brief period where he was acting attorney general, nearly trig ...

Counterarguments

  • The disbarment proceedings and ethical violations findings are subject to appeal, and until the appeals process is complete, there is a presumption of innocence or at least the possibility of a different outcome.
  • The use of the Fifth Amendment by Jeffrey Clark could be seen not as an admission of guilt but as a constitutional right to avoid self-incrimination, which is a cornerstone of the American legal system.
  • The term "conspiracy" to describe the actions of Eastman and Trump could be contested as a legal conclusion that might be perceived as prejudicial or politically charged, especially if the matter is still under legal review or appeal.
  • The characterization of Clark's behavior as "horrible" is subjective and could be seen as a matter of opinion rather than an objective legal assessment.
  • The focus on lawyers in the post-election period could be argued to be disproportionately punitive or politically motivated, especially if similar scrutiny is not applied to lawyers involved in controversial actions on behalf of other political figures or causes.
  • The proceedings against these law ...

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