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Lawrence: As long as Biden is president, Trump says don’t secure the southern border

By Rachel Maddow

In a riveting episode of "Rachel Maddow Presents: Déjà News," Lawrence O'Donnell alongside political figures such as Chris Murphy, Beto O'Rourke, and senators like Sheldon Whitehouse, delve into the complexities of U.S. politics and offer a hard-hitting analysis of recent events. This in-depth discussion spotlights the tension between former President Donald Trump and current President Joe Biden over border security, unveiling a blocked bipartisan bill and challenging Trump's inflammatory rhetoric on immigration.

The episode doesn’t shy away from controversy, raising ethical questions about Justice Clarence Thomas's non-recusal in a Trump-related case, given his wife Ginni Thomas's political activities. Additionally, Nadya Tolokonnikova pays a heartfelt homage to the late Alexei Navalny, exploring his enduring legacy and vision for a democratic Russia. The intersecting narratives presented by O'Donnell and his guests negotiate the threads of integrity in governance and the enduring aspiration for democracy, both domestically and abroad.

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Lawrence: As long as Biden is president, Trump says don’t secure the southern border

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Bipartisan Border Security Bill Blocked by Trump

Lawrence O'Donnell reports that President Donald Trump has blocked a promising bipartisan border security bill. This move comes despite the bill's potential to significantly strengthen U.S. border security, and Trump's actions have effectively prevented it from reaching a vote in Congress.

The bill notably included funding for 1,500 additional border security agents and officers, intended to fill existing legal gaps and enhance the effectiveness of border control. It aimed to utilize advanced technology for detecting drugs and weapons, focusing on contraband such as fentanyl. Moreover, a provision was included to grant the president emergency powers to temporarily close ports of entry should the number of arriving migrants become unmanageable, expediting the processing of asylum claims.

President Joe Biden, who described the legislation as extremely effective, alongside Senator James Lankford, who was a bill negotiator, are frustrated by the situation. Despite its potential, the bill has been hindered by Trump's actions as he takes credit for its failure.

Trump's False Rhetoric on Immigration

Lawrence O'Donnell and Beto O'Rourke challenge Donald Trump's immigration narratives which are often infused with inaccuracies. O'Donnell highlights Trump's mischaracterizations of immigrants as a predominantly criminal and dangerous group. He debunks the assertion that immigrants speak unknown languages in the U.S. and that they primarily consist of criminals.

Statistical evidence from an NBC News analysis is brought forward to demonstrate that increased migrant populations do not correlate with higher crime rates. Rather, many migrant-heavy cities see decreased crime levels, which directly contradicts Trump's narrative.

O'Rourke also exposes how Trump's misleading rhetoric has led to real-world consequences by citing the 2019 El Paso shooting, fueled by similar language used by Trump.

Lawrence O'Donnell underlines Trump's contradictory stance regarding border security. While publicly voicing concern for the issue, Trump's actions tell a different story as he has obstructed a significant bill aimed at fortifying border security.

Calls for Justice Thomas to Recuse Himself

Lawrence O'Donnell and Senator Sheldon Whitehouse prompt public concern regarding Justice Clarence Thomas's choice to not recuse himself from a case related to Donald Trump. Given the involvement of Thomas's wife, Ginni Thomas, in activities seeking to overturn the 2020 election results, the impartiality of Justice Thomas is called into question.

Ginni Thomas's communications and financial interests in the Trump presidency are scrutinized. It has been revealed that she sent text messages to the White House Chief of Staff discussing unlawful acts to overturn the presidential election.

The law requires recusal when impartiality could reasonably be questioned. In this instance, the involvement and interests of Ginni Thomas, coupled with a lack of transparent fact-finding by the Supreme Court, suggest that Justice Clarence Thomas should recuse himself to maintain judicial ethics and impartiality.

Nadya Tolokonnikova pens an evocative tribute to Alexei Navalny's vision of a "beautiful Russia," emphasizing his commitment and love for his country. She mourns the loss of Navalny, whose untimely death is attributed to the Russian government and Vladimir Putin personally, as stated in a resolution by the European Parliament.

Navalny's role as a beacon for democracy in Russia reminds Tolokonnikova of the continuing fight for democratic principles in the country. Journalist Lawrence O'Donnell inquires about Navalny's decision to return to Russia, to which Tolokonnikova responds by underlining his duty as a Russian politician to be amongst his people despite the risks.

Navalny's significant but under-acknowledged support within Russia inspires Tolokonnikova and, likely, many Russians. She touches upon the power of his vision for Russia and asserts the importance of persisting in the quest for a democratic future in honor of Navalny's legacy.

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  • The bipartisan border security bill blocked by Trump aimed to enhance U.S. border security by funding 1,500 additional agents and officers. It included provisions for advanced technology to detect contraband like fentanyl and emergency powers for the president to close ports of entry in case of overwhelming migrant arrivals. President Biden and Senator Lankford supported the bill, frustrated by Trump's obstruction. Trump's actions prevented the bill from advancing in Congress, despite its potential to strengthen border control measures.
  • Ginni Thomas, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, was involved in activities seeking to overturn the 2020 election results. She communicated with the White House Chief of Staff about efforts to challenge the election outcome. Her actions raised concerns about the impartiality of Justice Thomas in cases related to Donald Trump. Calls were made for Justice Thomas to recuse himself from such cases due to his wife's involvement.
  • The European Parliament's resolution attributing Alexei Navalny's death to the Russian government and Vladimir Putin is based on the belief that Navalny was targeted and poisoned by Russian state actors due to his political activities and opposition to the government. The resolution reflects the European Parliament's condemnation of Russia's actions and its call for accountability for Navalny's death. It underscores the international concern over human rights violations and political repression in Russia under Putin's leadership. The resolution serves as a symbolic gesture of solidarity with Navalny's cause and a push for justice and transparency in investigating his death.
  • Alexei Navalny is a prominent Russian opposition leader known for his anti-corruption activism and criticism of the Russian government, particularly President Vladimir Putin. Despite facing legal challenges and imprisonment, Navalny has garnered significant support from Russians who are disillusioned with corruption and authoritarianism in their country. His calls for political reform and transparency have resonated with many citizens, especially the younger generation, who seek change and a more democratic future for Russia. Navalny's bravery in challenging the status quo and his unwavering commitment to his ideals have made him a symbol of resistance against the current political establishment in Russia.

Counterarguments

  • Concerns about the border security bill might include the cost and effectiveness of the proposed measures, as well as potential civil liberties implications of increased border enforcement and surveillance.
  • Some may argue that the president's emergency powers to close ports of entry could be subject to abuse and might not be the best solution to manage migrant surges.
  • Critics of the criticism against Trump's immigration narratives might argue that while his statements are broad and sometimes inaccurate, they reflect legitimate concerns about border security and the rule of law.
  • Regarding the calls for Justice Clarence Thomas to recuse himself, some might argue that the judicial system has mechanisms to address potential conflicts of interest, and unless these mechanisms are triggered, calls for recusal are speculative.
  • Supporters of Justice Thomas might argue that his professional integrity and ability to judge cases impartially should not be automatically questioned due to his spouse's political activities.
  • Regarding Alexei Navalny, some might contend that while his activism is admirable, the political situation in Russia is complex, and there are diverse perspectives on how best to achieve democratic reforms in the country.
  • Others might argue that Navalny's decision to return to Russia, while courageous, also posed significant risks not only to himself but potentially to his supporters and the broader opposition movement.

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Bipartisan Border Security Bill Blocked by Trump

Lawrence O'Donnell has reported that a bipartisan border security bill has been blocked by Donald Trump, who used his influence to deter Republicans from allowing it to come to a vote.

Key Details of Bill

Additional border security funding and personnel

The bill, described as the "toughest, most efficient, most effective border security bill" in U.S. history by Joe Biden, would have provided for the addition of 1,500 more border security agents and officers. Senator James Lankford, a negotiator for the bill, stressed the importance of addressing legal gaps rather than merely complaining about the border situation.

More technology to detect drugs and weapons

Provisions in the legislation aimed to enhance security measures through cutting-edge technology at the border in an attempt to halt the flow of fentanyl and other contraband.

Emergency presidential authority to temporarily close border

The bill was also structured to grant the president emergency powers to close the border temporarily between ports of entry during instances when the ar ...

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  • Trump opposed the bipartisan border security bill because he believed it did not go far enough in addressing immigration issues to his satisfaction. He preferred a more hardline approach to border security, including stricter measures on immigration and border control. Trump's stance was influenced by his political agenda and his desire to maintain a tough stance on immigration matters. His opposition to the bill was seen as a way to assert his influence within the Republican Party and to differentiate himself from the policies of the current administration.
  • The emergency presidential authority to temporarily close the border allows the president to take swift action to manage high levels of immigration at the border. This power enables the government to address immediate security and logistical challenges by temporarily halting the entry of individuals between official points of entry. It is a measure aimed at controlling the flow of migrants and asylum seekers during times of crisis or overwhelming influx. This authority is designed to provide flexibility in responding to urgent border situations while ensuring the orderly processing of immigration and ...

Counterarguments

  • The bill's provision for additional border security agents and officers may not address the root causes of migration, such as violence, poverty, and lack of opportunity in migrants' home countries.
  • Increasing technology at the border could raise privacy concerns or lead to an overreliance on technology that may not be effective in all scenarios.
  • The emergency presidential authority to close the border could be seen as an overreach of executive power and may not be a sustainable or humane approach to immigration management.
  • The bill's focus on security might neglect the need for comprehensive immigration reform that includes pathways to citizenship for undocumented immigrants already in the country.
  • The effectiveness of the bill in accelerating the processing of asylum claims from years to months could be questioned, as it may require more than just legislation to overhaul the current system.
  • The bipartisan nature of the bill does not guarantee that it addresses the concerns of all stakeholders, including border communities, immigration advocates, and law enforcement.
  • Trump's intervention in blocking the bill could be viewed as a legitimate exercise of political stra ...

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Trump's False Rhetoric on Immigration

Commentators Lawrence O’Donnell and Beto O’Rourke discuss and dismantle Donald Trump's claims about immigration and border security, exposing falsehoods and political maneuvers.

Lies About Criminals Crossing the Border

O'Donnell points out the stark difference between Donald Trump's statements and the reality of immigration. Trump's assertion that millions from unknown places speaking languages unknown in the U.S. are crossing the border is characterized as a lie by O'Donnell who asserts that the U.S. has speakers of every language. He also dismisses Trump's claim that the migrants crossing the southern border were criminals from jails, prisons, mental institutions, insane asylums, and included terrorists.

Backing his rebuttal, O'Donnell references an NBC News analysis showing that cities with high numbers of migrants have seen overall crime levels drop, contrary to Trump's narrative of a migrant-induced crime wave.

O'Rourke further highlights the discrepancy in Trump’s portrayal of immigration by recalling how Trump described El Paso, one of the safest cities in America, as a war zone and very dangerous due to immigrants. O'Rourke blames Trump’s rhetoric for inspiring violence, such as the 2019 El Paso shooting, where the attacker mirrored Trump’s language.

Contradictory Stance on Border Security

Lawrence O'Donnell underscores Trump's inconsistency in expressing concerns over border security while blocking legislation that would contribute to securing the border. O'Donnell points out that the legislation Trump blocked would have provided additional resources for border security personnel and technology to detect drugs and weapons ...

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Trump's False Rhetoric on Immigration

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  • Lawrence O'Donnell and Beto O'Rourke are political commentators known for their analysis and commentary on current events, particularly in the realm of U.S. politics. They often appear on television programs, write opinion pieces, and engage in public speaking engagements to share their perspectives on various issues, including immigration, border security, and political rhetoric. O'Donnell has a background in journalism and has hosted political commentary shows, while O'Rourke is a former U.S. Representative from Texas who has been vocal on immigration reform and related topics. Their insights and critiques on political matters are often sought after for their depth of knowledge and experience in the field.
  • Trump's claims about immigration and border security were often characterized by exaggeration and misinformation. He frequently portrayed immigrants as criminals and a threat to national security, despite evidence showing otherwise. Trump's rhetoric on immigration was criticized for being divisive and potentially inciting violence, as seen in instances like the 2019 El Paso shooting. Additionally, there were instances where Trump's actions, such as blocking legislation aimed at enhancing border security, appeared contradictory to his stated concerns about illegal crossings.
  • The 2019 El Paso shooting was a mass shooting at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, where 23 people were killed and many others injured. The shooter posted a manifesto online expressing anti-immigrant and racist views, echoing some of the languag ...

Counterarguments

  • The presence of speakers of every language in the U.S. does not necessarily refute the claim that individuals crossing the border could be from unknown places or speak languages not widely represented in the U.S.
  • While cities with high migrant populations may have seen a decrease in crime, this does not directly address the specific claim about the criminal backgrounds of migrants crossing the border.
  • The assertion that Trump's rhetoric inspired specific acts of violence, such as the 2019 El Paso shooting, could be challenged by emphasizing the complexity of factors that contribute to such incidents, including individual responsibility.
  • Trump's blocking of certain legislation related to border security could be defended on the grounds that he may have had specific objections to provisions within the bills, rather than a general opposition to enhancing border security.
  • The suggestion that Trump's actions were politically motivated could be countered by arguing that all politicians act within a political context and that their decisions are often influenced by a variety of strategic considerations.
  • The contra ...

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Calls for Justice Thomas to Recuse Himself

There is a growing concern and public outcry, voiced by Lawrence O'Donnell and Senator Sheldon Whitehouse, regarding Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas’s decision not to recuse himself from a case involving Donald Trump, raising serious questions about conflicts of interest and adherence to judicial ethics.

Wife's Involvement in Overturning 2020 Election

O'Donnell finds it outrageous that Justice Clarence Thomas has not recused himself from hearing a case involving Donald Trump, given the known activities of his wife, Ginni Thomas, regarding the 2020 election. Whitehouse brings to light communications between Ginni Thomas and Trump's chief of staff about overturning the election results. O'Donnell and Whitehouse discuss Ginni Thomas's financial interest in the Trump presidency and her evident desire for Trump to become president again, which includes urging him and the White House Chief of Staff, through text messages, to commit unlawful acts to overturn the presidential election. These texts also imply she discussed these matters with "her best friend," presumably referring to her husband, Justice Clarence Thomas.

Violation of Ethics Laws on Impartiality

The United States law requires any judge or justice to remove themselves from proceedings where their impartiality might reasonably be questioned, especially when the justice or their spouse has a financial interest in the subject matter or in a party to the proceeding. O'Donnell and Whitehouse argue that because of Ginni Thomas's activities and interests connected to the Trump presidency, Justice Thomas should be subject to this rule and recuse himself from the case.

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  • Ginni Thomas, the wife of Justice Clarence Thomas, was reported to have communicated with Trump's chief of staff about overturning the 2020 election results. Text messages suggest she urged unlawful actions to help Trump stay in power. Her involvement raised concerns about potential conflicts of interest and impartiality issues for Justice Thomas.
  • Ginni Thomas's financial interest in the Trump presidency stems from her consulting work and connections to conservative groups that could benefit from policies or decisions favorable to the Trump administration. This interest raises concerns about potential conflicts of interest and bias in cases involving Trump or his associates. Her involvement in advocating for Trump's reelection and communicating with key figures in his administration suggests a personal and financial stake in the political outcomes influenced by the presidency. These connections could create perceptions of influence or impropriety in her husband's role as a Supreme Court Justice.
  • Ginni Thomas's texts imply her involvement in urging Trump and his Chief of Staff to take unlawful actions to overturn the 2020 election results. The texts suggest discussions with her "best friend," presumably Justice Clarence Thomas. This raises concerns about potential conflicts of interest and impartiality for Justice Thomas in cases involving Trump. The communication between Ginni Thomas and Trump's team regarding election matters could influence Justice Thomas's objectivity in ...

Counterarguments

  • The presumption of innocence and impartiality should apply to Justice Clarence Thomas unless there is clear evidence that his judgment would be compromised.
  • The mere fact of being married to someone with political opinions or activities does not automatically disqualify a justice from hearing cases related to those political issues.
  • Recusal is a matter of judicial discretion, and Justice Thomas may believe that he can remain impartial despite his wife's actions.
  • The Supreme Court operates on a principle of self-regulation, and its justices are trusted to make their own decisions regarding recusal without external pressure.
  • Calls for recusal could be seen as politically motivated attempts to influence the makeup of the Court for particular cases.
  • The relationship between a justice's legal decisions and their spouse's political activities is not necessarily indicative of a conflict of interest.
  • The Supreme Court's exemption from certain ethical oversight mechanisms is based on the constitutional separation of powers, which protects the judiciary from undue influence by the legislati ...

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Navalny's Vision for a "Beautiful Russia"

Nadya Tolokonnikova writes about Alexei Navalny and his dream for his homeland—a vision he called the "beautiful Russia of the future."

Putin Bears Responsibility for His Murder

Tolokonnikova, a friend of Alexei Navalny, remembers how he led with love and joy to shape a vision of a beautiful future for Russia. She mentions his willingness to sacrifice everything for his country and his love story with his wife, Yulia.

The European Parliament condemned Navalny's murder, adopting a resolution that calls for Vladimir Putin to be held accountable. The resolution states that the Russian government and Putin personally bear criminal and political responsibility for Navalny's death. Tolokonnikova finds it heartbreaking that Putin not only murdered Navalny, but also his love story.

Carrying on Navalny's Fight for Democracy

Nadiya Tolokonnikova talks about the need to continue Navalny's fight for democracy, sharing how his role and vision inspired her and many others across Russia. She emphasizes the immortal nature of his vision for the country.

Journalist O'Donnell asked Tolokonnikova about Navalny's decision to return to Russia, despite understanding the risks. T ...

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Navalny's Vision for a "Beautiful Russia"

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  • Nadya Tolokonnikova is a friend of Alexei Navalny who has shared insights into his character and vision for Russia. She highlights his dedication to his country and his relationship with his wife, Yulia, emphasizing his commitment to creating a better future for Russia. Tolokonnikova's perspective offers a personal and intimate view of Navalny's values and aspirations, shedding light on his impact on those around him.
  • Alexei Navalny's vision for a "beautiful Russia" centered around advocating for democracy, transparency, and accountability in the government. He aimed for a future where Russia would be free from corruption, with equal opportunities for all its citizens. Navalny's vision also included a society where human rights were respected, the rule of law prevailed, and where the government served the people's interests above all else. His dream was to see a Russia that was not only politically free but also economically prosperous and socially just.
  • The European Parliament condemned Navalny's murder and called for Vladimir Putin to be held accountable, stating that the Russian government and Putin personally bear criminal and political responsibility for Navalny's death.
  • Alexei Navalny's decision to return to Russia despite the risks stemmed from his belief in the importance of being present in his country to lead the opposition against the government, especially in a dictatorship. Navalny saw himself as a Russian politician who needed to stand with his supporters and lead by example, even in the face of danger. His return was a strategic move to continue his fight for democracy and to inspire others to push for change within Russia. Navalny's decision to return showcased his dedication to his cause and his willingness to personally confront the challenges in his pursuit of a more democratic and beautiful Russia.
  • In Russia, the media landscape is heavily influenced by the government, leading to limited independent journalism. State-controlled media often present a biased view that aligns with the government's inter ...

Counterarguments

  • The European Parliament's resolution may not have definitive proof of Putin's personal involvement, and holding a head of state criminally responsible for a murder requires a high standard of evidence.
  • The assertion that Putin murdered Navalny and his love story could be seen as a rhetorical device rather than a statement of legal fact, as it may not be supported by direct evidence.
  • While Navalny's willingness to sacrifice is clear, some might argue that his actions also put his family and supporters at risk, which could be considered when evaluating his decisions.
  • The claim that Navalny had significant support in Russia might be contested by those who argue that his actual level of support is difficult to gauge accurately due to the lack of independent polling and media.
  • The idea that Navalny would have massive backing in an actual election is speculative, as electoral outcomes can be unpredictable and influenced by many factors.
  • The call to continue Navalny's fight for democracy assumes that his vision aligns with the desi ...

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