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Tackling Your 2024 Questions + BONUS: Disqualified in Colorado

By Rachel Maddow

Discover the intricacies of a pivotal legal battle with "Rachel Maddow Presents: Déjà News." In this compelling episode, Jennifer Palmieri, Claire McCaskill, Caller #1, Andrew Weissmann, and Mary McCord delve into the Colorado Supreme Court’s temporary halt of its own ruling—with the fate of Donald Trump's place on the state’s presidential primary ballot hanging in the balance. As the decision awaits a potential U.S. Supreme Court review, the stakes mount, with the March 4th deadline inching closer, posing significant challenges for ballot printing and absentee voting procedures.

The speakers explore not only the implications of this stay but also unpack the profound legal interpretations that could shape the future of American elections. The Colorado Supreme Court has made clear that election legality challenges are permissible, refuting the "political question" doctrine, and asserted that disqualification based on the 14th Amendment needs no further legislation. The Court's rulings deemed the Capitol attack an insurrection, with Trump’s participation and non-protectable speech under the First Amendment, through an analysis enhanced by insights from Andrew Weissmann. Tune in for a detailed dissection of the factors that contributed to the landmark insurrection finding amidst the tumult of a looming election cycle.

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Tackling Your 2024 Questions + BONUS: Disqualified in Colorado

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Stay of the Colorado ruling

The Colorado Supreme Court has temporarily halted its ruling which would bar former President Donald Trump from the state's presidential primary ballot. This stay is in anticipation of a possible review by the U.S. Supreme Court. The outcome from the federal court is pending, and if it does not arrive by March 4th, it could lead to logistical issues with ballot printing and absentee voters. Meanwhile, due to the stay, Trump is expected to remain on the Colorado primary ballot pending the Supreme Court's review.

The Colorado Supreme Court's rulings have outlined the capacity to challenge a candidate's eligibility under Colorado election law and clarified that courts are not barred from reviewing such matters by the "political question" doctrine. The Court has determined that no implementing legislation is needed for someone to be disqualified under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment and concluded that the term "office" in this context includes the presidency. They have also upheld the admittance of parts of the January 6 Committee's report as evidence and agreed that the Capitol attack constituted an insurrection. Moreover, they judged that Donald Trump participated in the insurrection and that his related speech was not protected by the First Amendment.

Factors contributing to the insurrection finding

The Colorado Supreme Court, with input from Andrew Weissmann, identified several factors leading to the categorization of the January 6 Capitol attack as an insurrection. This includes Trump's consistent spread of disproven claims about election fraud and his direct call to supporters to march to the Capitol to disrupt the certification process. Additionally, the Court decided Trump's language showed a specific intent to incite immediate illegal activity, aiming to prevent the certification of the 2020 election results.

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  • The Colorado Supreme Court rulings clarified the process to challenge a candidate's eligibility under state election law, stating that courts can review such matters. They determined that disqualification under the 14th Amendment does not require additional legislation and includes the presidency. The Court admitted parts of the January 6 Committee's report as evidence, affirming that the Capitol attack was an insurrection. They found that Donald Trump's actions during the attack were not protected by the First Amendment.
  • The "political question" doctrine is a legal principle that guides courts on when they should refrain from deciding certain issues due to their political nature. It suggests that some matters are better left to the executive or legislative branches of government rather than the judiciary. Courts typically avoid interfering in political questions to maintain the separation of powers and uphold the Constitution's balance between branches. This doctrine helps define the boundaries of judicial review and ensures that courts do not overstep their authority into areas traditionally handled by other branches of government.
  • Section 3 of the 14th Amendment addresses the issue of individuals who have engaged in rebellion or insurrection against the United States. It prohibits those who have taken part in such activities from holding public office unless granted a pardon by a two-thirds vote of Congress. This section was primarily aimed at former Confederates after the Civil War to prevent them from holding office unless Congress decided otherwise. It is a constitutional provision that deals with loyalty to the United States government following acts of rebellion or insurrection.
  • The January 6 Committee's report is a document created by a congressional committee tasked with investigating the events surrounding the January 6th Capitol attack. It includes findings, analysis, and recommendations related to the insurrection, aiming to provide a comprehensive understanding of what occurred and why. The report may contain details on the security failures, individuals involved, motivations behind the attack, and any systemic issues that contributed to the events of that day. It serves as a crucial tool for lawmakers and the public to assess the impact of the insurrection and consider measures to prevent similar incidents in the future.
  • The legal definition of an insurrection involves a violent uprising against an authority or government, often with the aim of overthrowing it. It typically includes organized actions that seek to disrupt the normal functioning of governmental processes through force or coercion. Insurrection is a serious offense under the law and can lead to severe legal consequences for those involved. The key elements usually include a deliberate attempt to subvert the established order through unlawful means.
  • When it is stated that Trump's speech was not protected by the First Amendment, it means that his speech did not qualify for constitutional protection due to its direct incitement to illegal actions, such as the Capitol attack. The First Amendment protects free speech, but there are limitations, including speech that incites imminent lawless action. In this case, the court found that Trump's speech crossed the line by urging his supporters to engage in illegal activities, leading to the conclusion that it was not shielded by the First Amendment.

Counterarguments

  • The stay by the Colorado Supreme Court could be seen as a procedural safeguard ensuring that all legal avenues are exhausted before a final decision is made, which is a standard legal practice.
  • The U.S. Supreme Court's potential review of the Colorado ruling may highlight the importance of a uniform approach to interpreting constitutional provisions across different states.
  • The logistical issues with ballot printing and absentee voters could be argued as a necessary inconvenience to ensure the integrity of the electoral process and adherence to legal standards.
  • The interpretation of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment and its application to presidential eligibility is a complex constitutional issue that could be subject to different legal interpretations, and some may argue that further legislative clarification is needed.
  • The use of the January 6 Committee's report as evidence could be criticized for potential bias or incomplete investigation, and some may argue for a more comprehensive and neutral examination of the events.
  • The determination that the Capitol attack constituted an insurrection and that Donald Trump participated in it is a legal conclusion that could be contested based on different interpretations of the evidence and the legal definition of "insurrection."
  • The assessment that Trump's speech was not protected by the First Amendment could be challenged on the grounds of free speech protections, with some arguing that the speech did not meet the legal standard for incitement.
  • The factors leading to the insurrection finding, such as the spread of disproven claims about election fraud, could be argued as being part of political rhetoric rather than a direct cause of the Capitol attack.
  • The interpretation of Trump's intent based on his language could be seen as subjective, and some may argue that it requires a higher standard of proof to establish a specific intent to incite immediate illegal activity.

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Stay of the Colorado ruling

The Colorado Supreme Court has issued a stay on its own ruling that would have prevented Donald Trump from appearing on the ballot in the state's presidential primary.

U.S. Supreme Court will decide whether to take the case and rule on the issues

Following the Colorado Supreme Court's decision, the case may rise to the U.S. Supreme Court. Trump is expected to seek review in the U.S. Supreme Court by filing a cert petition. The higher court has been highlighted as having the authority to rule on federal constitutional issues, such as the definition of an insurrection under Section 3. McCord hopes that the Supreme Court will promptly accept the petition and arrange an expedited briefing schedule to address the case. Weissmann concurs with the likelihood of the Supreme Court hearing the case.

Given the stay, there's uncertainty over if the Supreme Court will issue a ruling before the ballots need to be printed. If a decision comes after March 4th, it could be problematic since it might not be possible to reprint the ballots, and some voters may have already submitted absentee ballots.

Trump will likely remain on the Colorado primary ballot pending Supreme Court review

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  • When a party wants the U.S. Supreme Court to review a case, they file a petition for a writ of certiorari, commonly known as a cert petition. This petition outlines the legal issues and requests the Supreme Court to hear the case. The Supreme Court has discretion in deciding which cases to review, typically focusing on those involving significant legal questions or conflicting decisions among lower courts. If the Supreme Court grants certiorari, it agrees to hear the case and issues a writ, leading to further proceedings in the Court.
  • The stay on the ruling means that Trump can still be on the ballot for the Colorado primary. If the Supreme Court delays its decision past the ballot printing deadline, it could be challenging to make changes. This uncertainty could impact voters who have already submitted absentee ballots. The stay allows Trump's name to remain on the ballot until the Supreme Court reviews the case.
  • The potential consequence ...

Counterarguments

  • The Colorado Supreme Court's stay may be seen as a procedural delay that could undermine the timely resolution of election-related disputes.
  • The U.S. Supreme Court's decision to take the case is not guaranteed; they may decline to hear the case, leaving the lower court's ruling in place.
  • The expectation that Trump will file a cert petition does not ensure that the U.S. Supreme Court will find the case compelling enough to warrant their review.
  • While the U.S. Supreme Court has the authority to rule on federal constitutional issues, it may determine that this particular case does not present a significant constitutional question.
  • McCord's hope for a prompt acceptance of the petition by the Supreme Court may be overly optimistic given the Court's busy docket and the complexity of election law cases.
  • Weissmann's agreement on the likelihood of the Supreme Court hearing the case is speculative and not a guarantee of the Court's actions.
  • The uncertainty about the Supreme Court issuing a ruling before the printing of ballots is a valid concern, but it also suggests that the electoral process may be too rigid if it cannot accommodate late-breaking legal decisions.
  • The logistical challenges of reprinting ballots and accommodating early voting are significant, but they do not necessarily outweigh the importance of resolving legal disputes about ballot access.
  • The assertion that Trump's n ...

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Colorado Supreme Court rulings on legal issues

The Colorado Supreme Court has issued significant rulings impacting how legal challenges regarding eligibility under election law can be brought to court and what those challenges entail for candidates, specifically addressing former President Trump's actions related to the January 6th Capitol attack.

Plaintiffs can challenge eligibility under Colorado election law

The court clarified that plaintiffs have the right to sue to require the secretary of state to exclude unqualified candidates from the ballot, as dictated by Colorado election code and constitutional qualifications.

Implementing legislation not needed for 14th Amendment disqualification

In a decisive judgement, the Colorado Supreme Court ruled that implementing legislation is not necessary for the disqualification provision of the 14th Amendment's Section 3 to be operative, effectively allowing for the disqualification of individuals without the prerequisite of criminal charges or conviction.

Courts can review eligibility issues, not just a "political question"

The Colorado Supreme Court determined that the issue of reviewing a candidate's eligibility, including potential disqualification under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, is not exclusively a political question, thus courts have jurisdiction to review such matters.

Presidency is an "office" under the 14th Amendment

Rejecting arguments that the term "office" and "officer" under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment does not encompass the presidency, the court confirmed the provision applies to presidential candidates. This interpretation is grounded in constitutional text, framers' intent, and original meaning.

Parts of January 6 Committee report properly admitted as evidence

The district court's decision to admit portions of the House Select Committee's January 6th report as evidence was upheld by the Colorado Supreme Court.

The Capitol attack met the definition of "insurrection"

Evaluating facts from a comprehensive five-day hearing, the court determined the January 6th Capitol attack fulfilled the historical defini ...

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  • The 14th Amendment's Section 3 includes a provision that prohibits individuals who have engaged in rebellion or insurrection against the United States from holding certain offices, unless Congress grants them a pardon. This provision was originally intended to prevent former Confederates from holding office after the Civil War. The disqualification under Section 3 can apply to various public offices, including the presidency. The Colorado Supreme Court ruled that this disqualification provision can be enforced without the need for additional implementing legislation.
  • A "political question" in legal matters refers to issues that are deemed more appropriate for resolution by the political branches of government rather than the judiciary. These are typically matters where there is no clear legal standard for the court to apply, or where the Constitution assigns the decision-making power to another branch. Courts may decline to address political questions to avoid intruding on the powers of the executive or legislative branches. The determination of whether a matter is a political question involves an analysis of factors like the text of the Constitution, historical practice, and the separation of powers.
  • The legal interpretation of "insurrection" in this context involves determining whether the events of the January 6th Capitol a ...

Counterarguments

  • The definition of "qualified" candidates can be subjective and may lead to politically motivated challenges.
  • The lack of implementing legislation for the 14th Amendment disqualification could lead to inconsistent application across different states.
  • Judicial review of eligibility issues might politicize the judiciary and lead to decisions that reflect partisan biases.
  • The interpretation of the term "office" under the 14th Amendment to include the presidency could be debated as an overextension by some constitutional scholars.
  • Admitting parts of the January 6 Committee report as evidence could be seen as relying on a potentially biased source, as congressional reports may be influenced by the political composition of the committee.
  • The definition of "insurrection" is historically and legally complex, and some may argue that the court's determination is open to interpreta ...

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Factors contributing to the insurrection finding

Andrew Weissmann and the Colorado Supreme Court point to several factors that contributed to the finding of an insurrection related to the events of January 6, focusing on the actions and language of former President Trump.

Trump made baseless claims of election fraud, both before and after the election

Weissmann discusses the pattern of falsehoods Trump has perpetuated, including baseless claims about former President Obama's birthplace, which tapped into larger themes of deception. Trump's ongoing false characterization of alleged fraud built a narrative over several months.

He directly told supporters to go to the Capitol on January 6 to stop the election certification

The direct and express actions by Trump encouraged his supporters to march to the Capitol, which was a significant contributing factor to the events that unfolded on January 6. ...

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  • Andrew Weissmann is an American attorney and former lead prosecutor in Robert Mueller's Special Counsel's Office. He has a background in prosecuting high-profile cases related to organized crime and fraud. Weissmann has been involved in various roles within the Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. He is currently a professor at NYU Law School.
  • The Colorado Supreme Court is the highest court in the state of Colorado, responsible for interpreting and applying the law at the state level. It has the authority to review cases from lower courts and has the power to make final decisions on legal matters within the state. Justices on the Colorado Supreme Court are appointed by the Governor and face retention elections periodically. The court plays a crucial role in ensuring justice and upholding the rule of law in Colorado.
  • An insurrection finding typically involves a legal determination that an act of rebellion or violent uprising against an authority or government has occurred. In this context, it suggests that the events of January 6 were officially recognized as an insurrection, indicating a serious breach of law and order. The finding implies that the actions taken by individuals involved in the events were seen as a direct challenge to the established government or its processes. It signifies a significant legal and political judgment regarding the nature and severity of t ...

Counterarguments

  • The claims of election fraud, while widely discredited, were believed by a significant portion of the electorate, suggesting a deeper issue with trust in the electoral process that needs to be addressed.
  • The narrative built over several months could be seen as a reflection of the concerns of Trump's supporters, rather than a unilateral effort by Trump himself to deceive.
  • The call to go to the Capitol could be interpreted as a call for peaceful protest, which is a right protected under the First Amendment, rather than a direct inciteme ...

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