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Libertarian Convention, Ashley Biden's Diary & Hochul's 'Clown' Comments | PBD Podcast | Ep. 415

By Patrick Bet-David

In this episode, the PBD Podcast examines the 2024 election landscape, including the Libertarian Party's nomination of Chase Oliver and Trump's strategy of courting libertarian voters. It also explores economic concerns like high mortgage rates, rising fast food costs, and competition from Chinese EV makers.

The discussion further examines the ongoing conflict in Gaza, debating civilian casualties and protests on college campuses. Other topics include Elon Musk's stance on EV incentives, criticism of the Star Wars franchise's diversity, the growing popularity of women's sports, and the transportation challenges faced by illegal immigrants in the U.S.

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American politics and the 2024 election

Libertarian Party Nomination and Concerns

Chase Oliver, an "armed and gay" figure, was nominated as the Libertarian Party's 2024 presidential candidate. The party fears other third-party candidates like RFK Jr. could siphon away their protest vote share and jeopardize their ballot access, according to Larry Sharpe.

Trump Attends Libertarian Convention

Trump made an appearance at the Libertarian convention, drawing mixed reactions of boos and cheers. Tom Ellsworth suggests Trump is courting libertarian voters, while Patrick Bet-David views it as a strategy to win over every percentage point.

Criticism of Biden Administration's Economic Messaging

Democrats are criticizing the Biden administration for lacking empathy on economic issues like inflation, echoing Hillary Clinton's view that she lost in 2016 because women voters "abandoned" her.

Economy, Inflation, and Cost of Building

High Mortgage Rates to Persist

Mortgage rates are expected to remain above 7% for the foreseeable future, making housing less affordable. Homeowners are reluctant to sell and give up low pandemic-era rates, constraining supply.

Fast Food Becoming a Luxury

Nearly 80% of Americans now view fast food as a luxury due to rising prices, according to Vincent Oshana and Patrick Bet-David. Lower-income families are disproportionately affected.

Chinese EV Makers Gaining Ground

Chinese EV manufacturers like BYD are rapidly gaining market share due to lower prices. The Biden administration imposed 100% tariffs to protect U.S. automakers against this competition.

Israel-Hamas Conflict

Israeli Airstrike Kills Civilians

An Israeli airstrike in Rafah killed dozens of civilians, which Netanyahu acknowledged as a tragic mistake. The strike was intended for Hamas targets firing rockets into Israel.

Debate Over Civilian Casualties

There is debate around whether Israel has exercised sufficient caution to avoid civilian casualties, with concerns expressed by Vincent Oshana and Tom Ellsworth. Adam Sosnick defends Israel's security challenges while also criticizing "jihad summer camp."

Protests on College Campuses

The situation in Gaza is prompting protests, particularly on elite college campuses. Oshana argues Palestinian families care deeply, countering suggestions of public indifference.

Miscellaneous News and Topics

Musk Opposes EV Incentives and Tariffs

Elon Musk is opposing EV tax incentives and tariffs on Chinese EVs, acknowledging their competitiveness and hinting at potential Chinese success based on trade barriers.

Criticism of Star Wars for Lack of Diversity

The Star Wars franchise has faced criticism for being too "white," which creator George Lucas has pushed back against.

Women's Sports Success

The WNBA's Los Angeles Sparks are drawing more fans than the Lakers, highlighting the rising popularity of women's sports.

Illegal Immigrants Using Rideshare Apps

Illegal immigrants in the U.S. are turning to ridesharing apps due to transportation and housing frustrations after waiting for Border Patrol assistance.

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Clarifications

  • Chase Oliver being described as an "armed and gay" figure signifies that he is openly gay and supports the right to bear arms. This characterization may highlight his unique identity within the Libertarian Party and could be relevant to his political platform. It suggests that his candidacy may appeal to individuals who prioritize both LGBTQ rights and gun rights.
  • Larry Sharpe expressed concerns that figures like RFK Jr. running as third-party candidates could attract voters who might have otherwise supported the Libertarian Party, potentially reducing their protest vote share and impacting their ballot access.
  • Trump's appearance at the Libertarian convention and the mixed reactions he received suggest he may be trying to appeal to libertarian voters. Some believe he is strategically targeting this group to potentially gain additional support in terms of percentage points in the upcoming election. This move could be seen as an effort to broaden his voter base and secure more votes from a demographic that traditionally aligns with libertarian values.
  • Hillary Clinton's comment about women voters "abandoning" her in 2016 referred to her belief that she did not receive as much support from women voters as she expected, which she thought contributed to her loss in the presidential election that year. This statement sparked discussions about gender dynamics in politics and the complexities of women's voting behavior. Clinton's remark highlighted the challenges and nuances of appealing to different demographic groups in a political campaign.
  • Vincent Oshana and Patrick Bet-David highlighted that due to rising prices, nearly 80% of Americans now perceive fast food as a luxury. This shift in perception is particularly impacting lower-income families, who are feeling the effects of increased costs in this sector.
  • Adam Sosnick defended Israel's actions by highlighting the security challenges the country faces, suggesting that these challenges necessitate certain military responses. He also criticized what he referred to as "jihad summer camp," which could imply disapproval of militant training or indoctrination activities that may be associated with extremist groups in the region.
  • Elon Musk opposes EV tax incentives and tariffs to promote fair competition and innovation in the electric vehicle market. He acknowledges Chinese EV manufacturers' competitiveness and suggests that trade barriers may not be the most effective way to address it.

Counterarguments

  • Concerns about third-party candidates like RFK Jr. affecting Libertarian Party's protest vote share
    • Counterargument: It could be argued that a diverse range of third-party candidates is healthy for a democracy, as it provides voters with more choices and can encourage political engagement among those who feel unrepresented by the major parties.
  • Views on Trump courting libertarian voters and aiming to win over percentage points
    • Alternative Point of View: Some might suggest that Trump's appearance at the Libertarian convention was not a strategic move to court voters but rather an attempt to maintain relevance and influence within all factions of the conservative movement.
  • Democrats criticize Biden administration for lacking empathy on economic issues like inflation
    • Counterargument: Supporters of the Biden administration might argue that the government has shown empathy and taken action on economic issues, but the complexities of global economics and the aftermath of the pandemic make it challenging to address inflation quickly.
  • Mortgage rates expected to stay above 7%, impacting housing affordability
    • Alternative Point of View: Some economists might argue that higher mortgage rates can help cool down an overheated housing market, potentially leading to a more stable and sustainable economic environment in the long term.
  • Fast food seen as a luxury by nearly 80% of Americans due to rising prices
    • Counterargument: Others might point out that the perception of fast food as a luxury could lead to healthier eating habits as people may choose to cook at home more often, which can be more economical and nutritious.
  • Chinese EV makers gaining market share, facing 100% tariffs from Biden administration
    • Alternative Point of View: Free trade advocates might argue that tariffs can lead to trade wars and hurt consumers through higher prices, suggesting that competition from Chinese EV makers could incentivize American companies to innovate and improve their products.
  • Debate over Israel's caution to avoid civilian casualties
    • Counterargument: Human rights advocates might argue that any civilian casualties are unacceptable and that nations must adhere to stricter standards of engagement to protect innocent lives, regardless of the security challenges they face.
  • Protests on elite college campuses over the situation in Gaza
    • Alternative Point of View: Some might argue that protests on college campuses are a vital part of academic freedom and the expression of concern for international human rights, reflecting the global conscience of the student body.
  • Elon Musk opposes EV tax incentives and tariffs, acknowledging Chinese competitiveness
    • Counterargument: Proponents of EV incentives and tariffs might argue that these measures are necessary to protect nascent industries and jobs in the domestic market, and that they can be phased out as the industry matures.
  • Criticism of Star Wars for lack of diversity
    • Counterargument: Fans of the franchise might argue that Star Wars has made strides in diversity in recent years and that storytelling should not be constrained by quotas but rather by the narrative needs of the story.
  • WNBA's Los Angeles Sparks drawing more fans than the Lakers
    • Alternative Point of View: Some might suggest that the comparison between the Sparks and the Lakers' fan attendance could be due to a variety of factors, including ticket pricing, team performance, and marketing efforts, rather than solely the rising popularity of women's sports.
  • Illegal immigrants in the U.S. turning to ridesharing apps due to transportation and housing frustrations
    • Counterargument: Some might argue that the use of ridesharing apps by illegal immigrants is a response to a lack of accessible public transportation options and that addressing the root causes of immigration and providing legal pathways could alleviate the need for such measures.

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American politics and the 2024 election

The political landscape in America is gearing up for the 2024 election, with movements and surprises coming from the Libertarian Party, former President Trump's attendance at their convention, and criticism of the current Biden administration from various corners.

The Libertarian Party nominated Chase Oliver as their presidential candidate for 2024

Chase Oliver has been announced as the Libertarian Party's presidential nominee for 2024. Oliver, who is known for his "armed and gay" identity, played a role in the 2022 Georgia Senate runoff. The Libertarian Party is expressing concerns that the presence of candidates like RFK Jr., who is polling high as a third-party candidate, could siphon away their protest vote share. This shift in votes risks the party's ballot access in up to 22 states, as Larry Sharpe, a Libertarian figure, has expressed. To grow the party, Oliver plans to make campaign stops in all 50 states, particularly targeting young voters affected by various pressing issues, including the Israel-Hamas conflict, the immigration crisis, and the rising cost of living.

Libertarian Party's Concerns

The party's fears are tied to maintaining ballot access as they strategize to appeal to a broad audience and retain their significant protest vote, which may be threatened by other independent and third-party candidates.

President Trump made appearances at the Libertarian Party convention

President Trump's presence was felt at the Libertarian Party convention, where the reactions from attendees were deeply divided, with some booing and others cheering him on—signifying the party's ambivalence towards Trump. This appearance demonstrates Trump's strategy to amass a wide coalition of voters, including libertarians, as he continues his political endeavors.

Trump's Outreach to the Libertarian Party

Trump's offer to pardon the Silk Road founder resonated with libertarian values and was seen as a move to unite and partner with the party. The mixed reactions from the convention goers were highlighted by the mainstream media primarily because some individuals booed the former president, as mentioned by Tom Ellsworth. Patrick Bet-David views Trump ...

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  • RFK Jr., referring to Robert F. Kennedy Jr., is a prominent figure known for his environmental activism and political advocacy. His potential impact on the Libertarian Party could stem from his popularity as a third-party candidate, which may attract voters who align with his views on certain issues, potentially affecting the Libertarian Party's share of the protest vote in the 2024 election.
  • The Silk Road was an online marketplace known for facilitating illegal transactions using cryptocurrency. Its founder, Ross Ulbricht, was convicted of multiple charges related to running the site. Pardoning Ulbricht could be seen as aligning with libertarian values of individual freedom and limited government intervention. The gesture by President Trump at the Libertarian Party convention aimed to resonate with libertarian principles of personal liberty and non-intervention in private transactions.
  • The Biden administration is facing criticism for its perceived lack of empathy on pressing economic issues, including inflation and the rising cost of living, which are significant concerns for many Americans.
  • In the 2016 U.S. presidential election, Hillary Clinton faced criticism for no ...

Counterarguments

  • While Chase Oliver is targeting young voters, it could be argued that the Libertarian Party historically has had difficulty resonating with a broad electorate, which may limit the effectiveness of their campaign strategy.
  • The concern about maintaining ballot access assumes that third-party candidates like RFK Jr. will indeed siphon votes from the Libertarian Party, but it's possible that these candidates could instead draw votes away from the major parties or engage non-voters.
  • President Trump's outreach to the Libertarian Party may not align with all libertarian values, given his previous administration's policies on trade and government spending, which some libertarians criticized.
  • Trump's offer to pardon the Silk Road founder could be seen as pandering to libertarian voters rathe ...

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The economy, inflation, and cost of building

As inflation continues to affect various sectors, the economy is experiencing significant shifts in housing, consumer goods, and manufacturing competition from abroad, prompting concerns about the cost of living and affordability.

Mortgage rates are expected to remain above 7% for the foreseeable future

Insider reports along with predictions from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac point to a grim outlook for mortgage rates, expected to reach 7.1% in the upcoming quarter. Ellsworth and Bet-David concur that mortgage rates are likely to linger in the high sixes or sevens even in 2025, aligning with Adam Sosnick's remarks on the high expense of buying a house. The Federal Reserve's cautious stance, as voiced by Kashkari from the Fed Bank in Minneapolis, indicates that cuts are not on the immediate horizon, with more positive inflation data needed to trigger such a move.

As homeowners cling to low rates acquired during the pandemic, they feel disincentivized to sell, thus lessening supply and compounding the affordability crisis. Redfin Premier agent Brinton observes that move-up buyers are hesitant, finding it financially nonsensical to sell in the current climate. Baby boomers are also opting to hold onto their homes equipped with lower interest rates, further starving the market of inventory.

Fast food is increasingly viewed as a luxury by American consumers

Vincent Oshana draws attention to the changing perception of fast food as prices soar. Patrick Bet-David cites a story revealing that nearly 80% of Americans now treat fast food as a luxury. This issue disproportionately affects lower-income families, as evident from the 71% of those earning below $30,000 who view fast food as prohibitively expensive. Gen Z and young parents also feel the pinch, with Adam Sosnick humorously suggesting a "depressed meal" instead of a "happy meal" to mirror their economic plight.

In response to declining sales due to price hikes, fast food chains like McDonald’s and Wendy’s are rolling out cost-effective meal options. Sosnick also points out America's focus on services and technology rather than manufacturing, which countries with lower GDP per capita perform more affordably.

Chinese EV manufacturers are rapidly gaining ground on American automakers

In the automotive sector, Chinese EV manufacturers present a formidable challenge to their American counterparts. Tom Ellsworth and Patrick Bet-David discuss President Biden's tariff policies, noting that the administration is considering a tariff strategy to bolster domestic manufacturers against competition, particularly ahead of an election year. BYD—a notable Chinese car producer—has ascended rap ...

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  • Ellsworth and Bet-David, along with other experts, predict that mortgage rates will remain high, above 7%, in the near future. They suggest that due to various economic factors and the Federal Reserve's stance, it is unlikely that mortgage rates will decrease significantly anytime soon. Their insights highlight the challenges faced by potential homebuyers in a high-rate environment, impacting the housing market and affordability for buyers.
  • Adam Sosnick's remarks on the high expense of buying a house reflect his views on the current elevated costs associated with purchasing residential properties. Sosnick highlights the financial challenges faced by prospective homebuyers due to factors like rising mortgage rates and limited housing supply. His comments underscore the significant financial burden and affordability issues in the real estate market, particularly for those looking to enter or move within the housing market.
  • Kashkari's stance from the Fed Bank in Minneapolis:

Kashkari is Neel Kashkari, the President of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis. He is known for his views on monetary policy, often advocating for measures to support economic growth and stability. In the context of the text, his cautious stance indicates a reluctance to make immediate cuts to interest rates, waiting for more positive inflation data before considering such actions. This approach is part of the Federal Reserve's efforts to carefully manage economic conditions and balance inflation concerns with supporting economic activity.

  • Redfin Premier agent Brinton's observations on move-up buyers pertain to homeowners looking to sell their current homes to purchase larger or more expensive properties. These buyers are hesitant due to the high mortgage rates, which make upgrading financially challenging. This hesitancy contributes to a decrease in housing supply, exacerbating affordability issues in the real estate market.
  • Vincent Oshana highlights the changing perception of fast food as prices rise, with nearly 80% of Americans now considering it a luxury. This shift disproportionately affects lower-income families, with 71% of those earning below $30,000 finding fast food too expensive. Gen Z and young parents also feel the financial strain, reflecting a broader trend of fast food becoming less affordable for certain demographics. The commentary underscores how economic factors are reshaping how fast food is viewed by different segments of the population.
  • Patrick Bet-David highlighted a shift in perception where fast food is increasingly seen as a luxury by American consumers due to rising prices. This change in attitude towards fast food reflects how affordability concerns are impacting consumer behavior, particularly among lower-income families. The data presented suggests that a significant portion of Americans now view fast food as a costly indulgence rather than a convenient and affordable option. This shift in perception underscores the broader economic challenges faced by certain demographics in the context of inflation and cost of living pressures.
  • BYD, a Chinese car producer, has seen its stock perform better than American firms like Fisker, Rivian, and Tesla. This comparison highlights the competitive landscape in the automotive sector, showcasing the rapid rise of Chinese EV manufacturers in the market. The disparity in stock performance reflects the challenges faced by American automakers in the face of increasing competition from Chinese counterparts. The mention of BYD's stock performance underscores the shifting dynamics and growing influence of Chinese companies in the glo ...

Counterarguments

  • Mortgage rates are influenced by a variety of factors, including monetary policy and economic conditions. While they are expected to remain high, unforeseen economic developments could lead to rate adjustments.
  • Homeowners may be disincentivized to sell due to low rates, but other factors such as life changes or the desire to downsize can still motivate sales, potentially easing the supply issue.
  • While fast food is viewed as a luxury by some, others may still see it as an affordable option compared to dining at full-service restaurants or buying groceries in some instances.
  • Introducing cost-effective meal options could be a strategy to maintain sales volume for fast food chains, but it may not fully address the underlying issues of food affordability and health concerns associated with fast food consumption.
  • The imposition of a 100% tariff on Chinese EV imports aims to protect domestic manufacturers, but it could also lead to higher prices for consumers and potentially slow the adoption of EVs in the U.S.
  • While BYD's lower-priced models present competition, American consumers may still prefer domestic brands due to ...

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International affairs and conflicts

The discussion on international affairs has focused on the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas, particularly in the wake of a devastating Israeli airstrike in Gaza and the fledgling responses from the international community, including the United States.

The conflict between Israel and Hamas in Gaza continues to escalate

The conflict has seen significant escalations with tragic consequences for civilians, and intense debate about the ethics and strategies of military engagements.

An Israeli airstrike in Rafah killed dozens of civilians, with Netanyahu acknowledging it as a tragic mistake

Patrick Bet-David, along with others discussing the events, mentions that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu acknowledged the killing of dozens of civilians in an Israeli airstrike in Rafah as a "mishap" or "mistake." The incident, resulting in at least 45 fatalities, occurred after Hamas claimed it fired rockets towards central Israel, resulting in air raid sirens in Tel Aviv. Vincent Oshana discusses the aftermath videos showing injured children, reflecting on the severity of the civilian toll. The strike, intended for Hamas terrorists, raised questions about whether the two targets were even hit. Further conversation brings out that Netanyahu claimed the airstrike aimed at an ammo post shooting missiles into Tel Aviv, but it also tragically resulted in civilian casualties.

There is debate around whether Israel has been sufficiently careful to avoid civilian casualties in its operations

Oshana reveals discontent with the tactics used, suggesting a need for change, and implies there may have been carelessness in avoiding civilian casualties. Tom Ellsworth comments on the tragic mark on history due to civilian deaths at a refugee camp or aid organization, suggesting that these were people trying to get out of the way. Meanwhile, Adam Sosnick defends Israel’s security situation by outlining the country's hostile neighbors but acknowledges the difficulties of reasoning with groups such as Hamas and Islamic Jihad. He also discusses Netanyahu's "Gaza 2035 plan" for demilitarization, decrying "jihad summer camp."

The situation in Gaza is causing growing concern and protests, especiall ...

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  • The Israeli airstrike in Rafah resulted in the deaths of dozens of civilians. The strike was initially intended for Hamas terrorists but tragically caused civilian casualties. The incident raised questions about the precision and care taken to avoid harming non-combatants. Netanyahu acknowledged the civilian deaths as a mistake, sparking debates about the ethics of military actions in conflict zones.
  • Netanyahu's "Gaza 2035 plan" was a proposal aimed at demilitarizing the Gaza Strip by the year 2035. The plan was put forward as a strategy to address security concerns in the region by reducing the military capabilities of groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Netanyahu's proposal sought to create a more stable and secure environment by limiting the ability of militant organizations to carry out attacks from Gaza. The plan was part of broader efforts to promote peace and security in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
  • The media focus on student protests at elite college campuses regarding the situation in Gaza highlights the attention these protests have garnered in the news. These protests often involve students expressing their views and concerns about the conflict between Israel and Hamas. The coverage of these protests can infl ...

Counterarguments

  • The Israeli government argues that its military operations are defensive and aimed at protecting its citizens from rocket attacks by Hamas, which it considers a terrorist organization.
  • Some argue that the complexity of urban warfare, especially in densely populated areas like Gaza, makes it extremely difficult to avoid civilian casualties entirely, despite efforts to do so.
  • There is a perspective that protests on college campuses may not necessarily reflect the broader public opinion and can sometimes represent more radical or activist viewpoints.
  • Critics of the Biden administration might argue that the U.S. has a limited ability to influence the actions of sovereign nations and non-state actors in conflicts like that between Israel and Hamas.
  • Some may argue that the Biden administration has t ...

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Miscellaneous news and cultural topics

Recent events in technology, entertainment, sports, and social issues have sparked a variety of discussions and debates.

Elon Musk and other automakers are opposing EV tax incentives and tariffs on Chinese EVs

Elon Musk has voiced his opposition to electric vehicle (EV) tax incentives and tariffs on Chinese EVs, reflecting a broader debate on the competitiveness of Chinese EV manufacturers. Musk acknowledged that Chinese car companies are the most competitive globally and hinted at the success they may achieve internationally based on the tariffs or trade barriers established. Patrick Bet-David discussed that Chinese EV manufacturers, like BYD, have an edge in the EV market due to lower performance losses and potentially lower production costs considering access to critical minerals. This situation places American automakers at competitive risk, especially in light of President Biden's decision to implement a 100% tariff on Chinese EV imports.

This reflects the growing competitiveness of Chinese EVs compared to American models

The competitiveness of Chinese EVs has become a critical issue as automakers, including Tesla's CEO Elon Musk, express concerns about the impact of tariffs and trade barriers on the global automotive market. With the imposition of a 100% tariff on Chinese EV imports into the United States, there is a growing concern that this could affect the ability of American automakers to compete fairly in the marketplace.

The Star Wars franchise has faced criticism for being too "white", which creator George Lucas has pushed back against

The Star Wars franchise has recently come under fire for lacking diversity, with criticisms pointing out that the series has been too "white." However, the franchise's creator, George Lucas, has pushed back against these criticisms. Details of Lucas's counterarguments were not provided in this summary.

Women's sports have seen recent standout performances, with the WNBA's Sparks drawing more fans than the Lakers

In the world of sports, women's teams are gaining momentum and at ...

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  • The debate around EV tax incentives and tariffs on Chinese EVs centers on concerns about the competitiveness of Chinese EV manufacturers, particularly their advantage in production costs and access to critical minerals, which could impact American automakers' ability to compete globally. Elon Musk and other automakers oppose these measures, highlighting the potential risks to the American automotive industry.
  • Illegal immigrants turn to ridesharing apps for transportation due to challenges with traditional transportation options and housing issues. These individuals often face difficulties accessing public transportation or owning personal vehicles, making ridesharing apps a convenient and accessible alternative. Addi ...

Counterarguments

  • Concerning Elon Musk's opposition to EV tax incentives and tariffs:
    • Some may argue that tax incentives are necessary to accelerate the adoption of EVs and meet environmental goals.
    • Others might contend that tariffs protect domestic industries and jobs from unfair competition due to differing labor and environmental standards.
  • Regarding the competitiveness of Chinese EVs:
    • It could be argued that American automakers have their own strengths, such as brand recognition and advanced technology, which can help them compete globally.
    • There is also a perspective that competition can drive innovation and benefit consumers with better products and prices.
  • On the criticism of the Star Wars franchise for lack of diversity:
    • Some might point out that recent Star Wars films and series have made efforts to include a more diverse cast and storylines.
    • Others could argue that the original films were a product of their time and that the franchise has evolved since then.
  • About the popularity of women's sports:
    • One could argue that comparing the popularity of the WNBA's Sparks to the Lakers during a down period for the latter may not reflect long-term trends.
    • There ...

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