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Rebecca Yarros on literary tropes, writing through chronic illness and 'Fourth Wing'

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In this episode of NPR's Book of the Day, author Rebecca Yarros opens up about the inspiration behind her writing and approach to literary tropes. She delves into how blending the fantasy and romance genres allows for intense emotional journeys and high-stakes narratives in fantastical settings.

Yarros reveals the personal experiences that shape her stories, from her early literary influences to her husband's military service. She also shares insights into navigating the publishing industry's demands and finding balance amid sudden success. The discussion explores themes like war's realities, erasing history, and examining moral complexities.

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Rebecca Yarros on literary tropes, writing through chronic illness and 'Fourth Wing'

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Yarros' Background and Influences

Rebecca Yarros' writing blends fantasy and romance genres, influenced by her early exposure to various literary works and her personal experiences.

A Varied Literary Upbringing

Yarros credits her aunt's fantasy book collection for igniting her passion for the genre. According to Yarros, she devoured works by authors like Mercedes Lackey, Anne McCaffrey, and Marion Zimmer Bradley from a young age.

Yarros also developed an appreciation for romance novels and their emotional journeys, drawing further inspiration from her own love story of marrying at age 19.

The Fantasy-Romance Blend

Yarros' Unique Perspective

For Yarros, combining fantasy and romance genres creates the "perfect amalgamation" - fantastical settings for high-stakes narratives paired with romantic storylines and emotional arcs.

Yarros' Approach to Tropes

Elevating Tropes Through Fantasy

Yarros aims to intensify familiar romance tropes like "enemies to lovers" by transporting them to war-torn fantasy realms, amplifying the inherent conflict.

Rather than subverting tropes, Yarros focuses on exploring deeper themes like the consequences of erasing history through her narratives.

Success and the Publishing Industry

The Toll of Sudden Success

The unexpected success of Yarros' "The Fourth Wing" has taken a mental and physical toll. She experienced disassociation, anxiety and exhaustion adjusting to industry demands and fame.

Openness and Self-Care

Drawing inspiration from other artists, Yarros has become more candid about the challenges fame presents. She now prioritizes self-care and breaks to maintain her creativity long-term.

Military and War Experiences

Perspectives from Her Husband's Service

Yarros' husband's combat experiences, including injuries and loss, have shaped her understanding of war's realities and emotional impacts on individuals and families.

Exploring Moral Complexities

In "The Fourth Wing," Yarros examines ethical questions surrounding war's motivations and violence's effects, influenced by her views on censoring negative histories.

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  • You can explore your own creative blend by writing a short story that combines elements from your favorite genres, much like mixing ingredients from different cuisines to create a new dish. Start by listing elements you love from each genre and then challenge yourself to incorporate them into a cohesive narrative. For example, if you enjoy mystery and science fiction, write a story about a detective solving a crime in a futuristic city with advanced technology.
  • Develop a deeper understanding of your personal history by journaling about significant life events and how they've shaped your values and perspectives. This can mirror the way a writer might draw from personal experiences to enrich their characters' backstories. Reflect on a pivotal moment in your life, describe it in detail, and then analyze how it has influenced your current beliefs or actions.
  • Enhance your empathy and broaden your worldview by reading books or watching films that tackle themes of war and its impact on individuals, similar to how Yarros' husband's experiences informed her writing. Choose a memoir or documentary about a soldier's experience or a family affected by war, and after engaging with the story, write down your reflections on the emotional and ethical complexities presented.

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Yarros' background and influences as a writer

Rebecca Yarros' writing is heavily influenced by her upbringing in a military family and her early exposure to a wide variety of literary genres, as well as her personal experiences with love and romance.

Exposure to a variety of books and genres

The constant change and variety of moving from base to base as part of a military family provided Yarros with an eclectic reading experience from a young age.

Fantasy as a foundational genre

Yarros' entry into the fantasy genre came courtesy of her aunt, who had a basement full of books. It was in this book-filled haven that Yarros was handed her first Mercedes Lackey book, which ignited her passion for the genre. She devoured not just Lackey's works but also series by giants of fantasy such as Anne McCaffrey and Marion Zimmer Bradley. This early introduction to fantasy sparked Yarros' lifelong love for the genre.

Romance novels and personal experiences of love

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- Explore your own background to inspire creative writing by journaling about your life experiences and how they've shaped your perspectives, much like how an upbringing can influence an author's work.

  • By reflecting on your personal history, you can uncover themes and stories that are unique to you. For instance, if you grew up in a coastal town, you might find that the sea appears often in your narratives, or if you come from a family of musicians, the rhythm and flow of music might influence your writing style.
  • Start a book exchange club with friends or colleagues to diversify your reading habits, similar to being exposed to various literary genres through life changes.
  • This can be as simple as each member bringing a book that they've enjoyed to swap with someone else in the group. If you're used to reading thrillers, you might end up with a historical fiction novel that opens up a new world of interest, just as a variety of genres can spark new passions.
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The blending of fantasy and romance genres

Yarros's perspective on genre combination

Writer Yarros regards the combination of fantasy and romance genres as the consummate blend, striking an ideal balance that satisfies both her creative and emotional inclinations. For her, the fantasy setting serves as a backdrop for high-stakes narratives rich in world-building. Simultaneously, romance infuses the story with an emotional core and the promise of a "happily ever ...

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  • The idea of a "perfect amalgamation" is subjective and may not resonate with all readers or writers; some may find that blending genres dilutes the distinct elements that make each genre appealing on its own.
  • While the combination might satisfy creative and emotional inclinations for some, others might argue that it can lead to predictable or formulaic storytelling, as the tropes of both genres are well-established.
  • A fantasy setting does provide opportunities for rich world-building, but some critics might argue that the focus on romance can sometimes overshadow the development of the fantasy elements, leading to a world that feels underdeveloped or secondary to the romantic plot.
  • The promise of a "happily ever after" is a staple of romance but can be seen as a constraint on the narrative complexity and realism in fantasy stories, where more ambiguous or bittersweet endings might be more fitting.
  • While the blend c ...

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  • You can start a book club focused on fantasy romance to explore and discuss the blend of genres with like-minded individuals. Gather a group of friends or use social media platforms to invite participants who share an interest in fantasy and romance. Choose a book that exemplifies the blend of these genres and schedule regular meetings to discuss the characters, the world-building, and the emotional arcs. This will deepen your appreciation for the genre fusion and provide a community to share insights with.
  • Try your hand at writing a short fantasy romance story to experience the creative process behind merging these genres. Begin with a simple premise that excites you, perhaps involving a magical artifact or a mythical creature, and introduce a romantic subplot that drives the narrative. Focus on creating a satisfying conclusion that ties together the fantasy and romance elements. Sharing your story on writing forums or with friends can offer feedback and enhance your understanding of the genre's appeal.
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Yarros' writing process and approach to tropes

Rebecca Yarros discusses her unique take on popular romance tropes within the fantasy genre, articulating her desire to use familiar elements in a way that intensifies the narrative and explores deeper themes.

Embracing Romance Tropes with a Fantasy Twist

Yarros clearly expresses her fascination with the classic "enemies to lovers" romance trope. She aspires to elevate the stakes of this trope beyond the relatively mundane conflicts often found in contemporary settings. By transplanting the trope into the high-stakes environment of a war-torn fantasy world, she amplifies the tension and conflict inherent in the trope.

In addition, Yarros takes the "forced proximity" trope and gives it an imaginative twist. Instead of focusing on human characters who are begrudgingly thrust together, she delves into a fantasy setting where dragons are bonded by a mating bond, thereby applying this narrative mechanic to deepen the lore and character dynamics of her novel's universe.

Prioritizing Thematic Exploration Over Subverting Tropes

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  • While Yarros aims to intensify the narrative by using romance tropes in a fantasy setting, some might argue that this approach can be predictable and may not always lead to deeper thematic exploration.
  • The "enemies to lovers" trope, even in a high-stakes fantasy setting, could be seen as overused, and its elevation through increased tension might not be sufficient to create a fresh experience for seasoned readers of the genre.
  • The twist on the "forced proximity" trope with dragons might not resonate with all readers, especially if they prefer more traditional or relatable character dynamics.
  • Prioritizing thematic exploration over subverting tropes is a valid approach, but it could be argued that subvers ...

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  • You can explore the dynamics of opposing forces in your own storytelling by creating characters with conflicting goals and backgrounds, then placing them in a shared situation that forces them to cooperate or compete. For example, write a short story where a conservationist and a developer must work together to save a town from a natural disaster, using their differing perspectives to create tension and depth in the narrative.
  • Experiment with reimagining historical events in a modern context to understand the importance of preserving history. Start by choosing a historical event, then write an essay or create a piece of art that transposes the event into today's world, examining how the themes and consequences of the past echo in the present. This could be imagining the fall of a historical empire as a corporate takeover in the 21st century, exploring similar themes of power and legacy.
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The impact of success and the publishing industry on Yarros

The remarkable success of Rebecca Yarros' novel, "The Fourth Wing," has had profound and multifaceted effects on her life, challenging her both mentally and physically.

The unexpected and rapid success of Yarros' novel, The Fourth Wing, has taken a significant toll on her both mentally and physically.

Rebecca Yarros has opened up about her struggle to adjust to the sudden demands of the publishing industry and the attention from her growing fanbase, which has led to periods of disassociation and exhaustion. She didn't anticipate the level of success "The Fourth Wing" would bring and as a result felt unprepared, which only compounded her challenges.

Yarros struggled to adjust to the sudden demands of the publishing industry and the attention from her growing fanbase, leading to periods of disassociation and exhaustion.

Yarros mentioned that after completing her book "Onyx Storm," she plans to take a break from writing to care for her wellbeing, particularly because she has a chronic illness and her body requires rest. The last year included many events she does not remember, as she experienced moments of disassociation due to anxiety. It became evident that Yarros must prioritize becoming more grounded and present to remember and enjoy experiences without fear.

Yarros has become more open about the challenges of being a successful author, drawing inspiration from other creatives like singer-songwriter Phoebe Bridgers who have also spoken candidly about the impact of fame.

Yarros identifies with Chapel Rowan and other creatives who have been open about the physical toll of sudden fame. She has ex ...

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  • You can create a "well-being alarm" on your phone to remind you to take regular breaks for mental and physical health throughout the day. Set alarms at intervals that work for your schedule, such as every two hours, to pause for a few minutes of deep breathing, stretching, or a short walk. This habit can help prevent burnout and keep you grounded.
  • Start a "creative inspiration journal" where you jot down thoughts, feelings, and experiences daily. This practice can help you stay present and mindful of the moments that matter, reducing feelings of disassociation. Use prompts like "Today, I felt most alive when..." or "I found joy in..." to guide your reflections.
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Yarros' personal experiences with the military and war, and how these inform her writing

Yarros shares her intimate understanding of military life and the impact of war on individuals and families, informed by her husband's service and experiences. Her insights fuel her writing, bringing a depth of real-world emotion and ethical complexity.

Yarros' husband's experiences with multiple deployments and combat injuries have deeply shaped her perspective on the realities and consequences of war.

Yarros delves into the emotional and physical scars of war, often neglected in broader discussions. She has personally dealt with the aftermath of her husband's deployments, which include mourning the loss of friends and facing fear when her husband was seriously wounded in combat. These experiences bring a poignant awareness of the high stakes involved in military service and the gravity of war's toll on soldiers and their loved ones.

Yarros has grappled with the emotional and psychological toll of war on her family, including the impact of PTSD and the constant worry of her husband's safety.

Living with the consequences of her husband's many deployments, including the presence of PTSD and the constant anxiety over his safety, has given Yarros a unique perspective on the emotional and psychological impacts of war. This grips her family firsthand, wrestling with the complexities and enduring fears that linger well after the battlefield.

Yarros' writing, particularly in The Fourth Wing, reflects her desire to examine the complex moral and ethical questions surrounding war and violence.

In her book "The Fourth Wing," Yarros extends her personal encounters with the military into a broader commentary on the intertwining of war, history, and culture. She dissects the motivation behind conflicts and kingdoms' justifications for wars, influenced by her feelings towards historical censorship, especially the distortion or omission ...

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  • You can deepen your understanding of the impact of war by volunteering with organizations that support veterans and their families. By offering your time at local veteran centers or nonprofits, you'll gain firsthand insight into the challenges faced by those who have served in the military. This could involve anything from helping with administrative tasks to participating in outreach programs that provide companionship and support to veterans dealing with PTSD and anxiety.
  • Start a book club focused on novels and memoirs that deal with the themes of war and its aftermath. This will allow you to explore different perspectives on the subject and engage in discussions about the moral and ethical questions that arise from conflict. Choose a diverse range of authors to ensure a broad understanding of the topic, and encourage members to share personal insights and reflections on how the themes relate to their own experiences or beliefs.
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