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Episode 572: Heavenly Creatures: The Parker-Hulme Murder

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The Morbid podcast examines the chilling case of Juliet Hulme and Pauline Parker, two teenage outcasts drawn together by illness and isolation. Their intense friendship, reinforced by troubled family dynamics, descended into dangerous fantasies of violence and murder.

The episode explores how the girls meticulously planned and carried out the brutal killing of Pauline's mother, striking her repeatedly with a brick in the woods. Throughout the legal proceedings, their disturbing detachment and indifference chilled observers. Decades later, the case resurfaced through a film, prompting the now-convicted women to revisit and react to their disturbing pasts.

Episode 572: Heavenly Creatures: The Parker-Hulme Murder

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Episode 572: Heavenly Creatures: The Parker-Hulme Murder

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The Intense Relationship Between Juliet and Pauline

Kaya Henderson discusses the disturbing and obsessive connection between Juliet and Pauline - outcasts drawn together by shared illnesses who descended into a dark fantasy world that ultimately led to violence.

Juliet and Pauline's exclusive bond led them to craft increasingly elaborate fantasies, distancing themselves from reality.

Rejected by peers, Juliet and Pauline formed an intense, consuming friendship based on their shared struggles with health and family. They immersed themselves in imagined worlds, pursuing interests like horseback riding to support their fantasies. Over time, they withdrew further into this invented reality, according to Henderson, embracing dangerous romantic and violent elements.

The bond was reinforced by troubled family dynamics and childhood challenges.

Both girls experienced strained relationships with aloof, inattentive mothers who resented aspects of motherhood. Their fathers were largely absent due to careers and personal issues. These turbulent home environments exacerbated their feelings of isolation and fueled their codependency, according to Henderson.

Fearing separation, the girls meticulously planned and brutally executed the murder of Pauline's mother.

Pauline's diary entries revealed enthusiastic plans to kill her mother Nora - referred to as "the happy event" - using a brick hidden in a stocking. They lured Nora into the woods, where Pauline struck her repeatedly with the weapon, leaving extensive injuries including 24 blunt force lacerations to the head and face that penetrated bone.

At trial, the girls were shockingly casual, smiling and chatting as prosecution evidence of premeditation was presented. The defense unsuccessfully argued mental illness, and both were convicted and sentenced to 5 years' detention despite public outrage over the perceived leniency.

Decades later, the case resurfaced through a film, forcing the women to confront their pasts with mixed reactions.

Years on, the film "Heavenly Creatures" revisited the crimes. Now known as Anne Perry, Juliet expressed feeling the portrayal was unfair, resurfacing difficult aspects of her life she thought she had put behind her, according to Henderson.

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  • Reflect on your friendships by journaling to ensure they are based on positive, healthy connections. Write down the qualities you value in a friend and compare them to your current relationships. If you find similarities to the podcast's friendship based on struggles, consider seeking friendships that also offer joy and growth.
  • Create a balance between imagination and reality by setting aside specific times for creative pursuits. For example, schedule an hour a day for writing, drawing, or other creative activities, but also commit time to engage with real-world tasks and social interactions to maintain a grounded perspective.
  • Learn from past mistakes by writing a letter to your younger self. This exercise can help you acknowledge past challenges and how they've shaped you, without letting them dictate your future actions. Keep the letter as a reminder of your personal growth and resilience.

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Episode 572: Heavenly Creatures: The Parker-Hulme Murder

The intense and disturbing relationship between Juliet and Pauline

Kaya Henderson discusses the convoluted and intense bond between Juliet and Pauline, which was marked by shared childhood illnesses, entrenchment in fantasy, and ultimately led to violent actions.

Juliet and Pauline formed a profoundly close, obsessive bond that consumed their lives and led to disastrous consequences.

Juliet and Pauline were immediate outcasts in their school, drawn together when they were the only students excused from physical education due to health issues. They forged an intense and exclusive friendship where they were deeply enmeshed in each other's lives. They crafted elaborate fantasies and stories, often engaging in activities that supported their shared world, like horseback riding and moonlight picnics.

As their friendship deepened, they began to retract further into their created fantasy world, shutting out the reality around them and preferring to live within their imagination. Their relationship, seen by themselves as geniuses unappreciated by others and marked by grandiosity, increasingly took on romantic and eventually violent overtones in their imagined narratives.

Urquhart highlights the danger of such "us against the world" relationships, which often become problematic and lead to negative outcomes. The girls' friendship did not seem positive and was entrenched in an unbalanced power dynamic that Kelley and Urquhart found to be unhealthy. When faced with the potential separation due to Juliet's family possibly moving to South Africa, Pauline and Juliet took extreme measures to maintain their connection.

Juliet and Pauline were drawn to each other due to their shared experiences of childhood illness, troubled relationships with their mothers, and feelings of being outcasts among their peers.

Pauline seemed to be more affected by their intensifying bond, even in her home environment. The girls developed a shared psychosis, living in fantasies that sometimes transformed into violent meditation. Dr. Francis Bennett testified to their "wild infatuation," which was expressed through bathing and bedding together, photographing each other, and even creating their own religion.

As their friendship intensified, the girls retreated further into a fantasy world of their own creation, becoming increasingly detached from reality and unwilling to tolerate any perceived threats to their relationship.

Pauline and Juliet's relationship was congenial, with the power initially being in Juliet's favor due to Pauline's dependency. As Juliet's personal life became unstable, she began to rely on Pauline and their shared fantasies more. When Juliet heard about Pauline's short-lived relationship with a local boy, Nicholas, Pauline promptly ended it, affirming her loyalty to Juliet above any other connection. This act further solidified their bond and their distinction from reality.

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  • Reflect on your relationships by journaling to identify patterns that may echo the dynamics of Juliet and Pauline's bond. Write down your thoughts about your closest relationships, noting any intense connections or dependencies that may be unhealthy. Consider how these relationships started, how they've evolved, and whether they have led to positive or negative outcomes in your life.
  • Create a 'reality anchor' with a trusted friend or family member where you regularly check in about your perceptions and experiences. This can help you maintain a connection to reality if you find yourself getting too absorbed in a particular relationship or fantasy. During these check-ins, openly discuss your feelings, thoughts, and any concerns about losing touch with reality or becoming too insular in your relationships.
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The troubled family dynamics and childhoods of Juliet and Pauline

Juliet and Pauline both had challenging relationships with their mothers, who struggled with the demands of motherhood.

Hilda Hume, Juliet's mother, was described as aloof and rigid, with little interest in nurturing her children.

Juliet Marion Hume, daughter of Henry and Hilda Hume, experienced a childhood where motherhood was not a natural fit for her mother, Hilda. Described as aloof and not very warm, Hilda adhered to a specific philosophy on child-rearing, believing that "Babies had to learn their place and not be pandered to and fussed over." Hilda had a polished exterior that seemed at odds with the messier realities of nurturing children. Juliet was seen as a very demanding and sensitive child who resented discipline and resisted correction. Her difficult temperament and personality made her "difficult and troublesome to handle," according to author Peter Graham. Further evidencing the strained relationship, Juliet did not view her parents' divorce as emotionally significant but rather as a financial opportunity.

Moreover, Juliet resented her younger sibling, and Hilda's health suffered due to a challenging pregnancy. Juliet spent much time away from her parents, staying with relatives or in hospitals, indicating a detachment from her family unit. Her mother, involved in an affair with a man named Bill Perry, was not one to fuss over children, and her multiple affairs, as noted by Hilda's friend Nancy Sutherland, indicate a lack of investment in her home life.

Nora Parker, Pauline's mother, was stern and quick to anger, leading to frequent arguments and physical punishment.

Pauline and her mother, Nora Parker, had a volatile relationship, characterized by frequent arguments and physical punishment, common for the era. This disciplinary approach led to detachment and trust issues in their relationship. Pauline felt misunderstood and unloved, contributing to the strife at home.

The girls' fathers were largely absent or distracted, providing little emotional support or guidance.

Henry Hume, Juliet's father, was consumed by his important work as a scientist, leaving little time for his family.

Henry Hume, Juliet's father, was deeply involved in significant wartime work, including a role as Deputy Director of Naval Operational Research and as a consult ...

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Counterarguments

  • Hilda Hume's aloofness and rigidity could have been a reflection of the parenting norms of her time rather than a lack of interest in nurturing.
  • Juliet's perception of her mother's affairs and detachment could be subjective and influenced by her own emotional state or misunderstandings.
  • The strict philosophy of child-rearing Hilda believed in might have been considered appropriate or even beneficial according to the standards of the era.
  • Juliet's difficult temperament could have been a response to her environment, and labeling her as troublesome might not account for underlying emotional or psychological needs.
  • Spending time away from parents was not uncommon in certain societies and could have been seen as beneficial for building independence.
  • Nora Parker's sternness and quick temper might have been common disciplinary practices of the time and not necessarily indicative of a lack of love or care.
  • Pauline's feelings of being misunderstood and u ...

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  • Reflect on your own family dynamics by journaling to identify patterns that may have shaped your behavior. Write down your earliest memories of family interactions, noting any emotions or behaviors that stand out. This can help you understand how your upbringing has influenced your current relationships and self-perception.
  • Create a 'relationship roadmap' to improve communication with family members. Start by listing the names of your family members and describe your current relationship with each person using a few words or sentences. Next to each description, write down one actionable step you can take to enhance that relationship, such as scheduling regular calls or expressing appreciation for them more often.
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The premeditation and brutality of the murder of Pauline's mother

The murder of Nora Parker by her daughter Pauline and friend Juliet was marked by chilling premeditation and brutality, with details emerging that reveal the depths of their planning and detachment from the severity of their actions.

Juliet and Pauline meticulously planned the murder of Nora Parker, driven by their intense desire to remain together and their belief that they could retreat into their fantasy world.

Pauline Parker's diary entries elucidated a meticulously crafted plan to murder her mother, with the aim of preventing a separation from her close friend Juliet. Pauline referred to the murder as "the day of the happy event," which she anticipated with excitement akin to "the night before Christmas." Theories suggested that the girls wanted to remove Nora so Pauline could accompany Juliet to South Africa. They obtained a brick, placed it in a stocking to create a makeshift weapon, and later attacked Nora during a walk in the woods.

The girls obtained a makeshift weapon, a brick in a stocking, and lured Nora into the woods under the pretense of a walk, where they viciously beat her to death.

The walk, presented as an innocent outing, was the setting for their heinous act. Once in the woods, and in a premeditated formation, Pauline swung the stocking with the brick, striking her mother in the head. Despite this premeditation, they struggled to drag Nora's body away, eventually leaving her with extensive injuries. A bloodied brick with hair attached was found at the scene, further corroborating the violent assault.

The autopsy revealed the extent of the brutality, with Nora sustaining 45 external injuries, including 24 lacerations to the head and face that had penetrated to the bone.

Nora Parker's autopsy underscores the attack's brutality, highlighting 45 external injuries and 24 lacerations to her head and face, which penetrated the bone, along with severe head injuries and facial fractures. Nora's broken finger, hanging by a piece of flesh, indicated that she had fought desperately for her life against her attackers.

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  • You can enhance your critical thinking skills by analyzing the motives and outcomes of historical events or criminal cases in a journal. Write down the facts, then explore different perspectives and motives that could have been at play, much like a detective dissecting a case. This practice can sharpen your ability to assess situations critically and understand complex human behaviors.
  • Develop empathy by volunteering with organizations that support troubled youth. Engaging with individuals who have challenging backgrounds can provide insight into the variety of factors that contribute to extreme behaviors, helping you to cultivate a deeper understanding of others' circumstances.
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The legal proceedings, sentencing, and aftermath of the case

The trial and sentencing of Juliet Hulme and Pauline Parker for murder, followed by their unexpected paths to anonymity and the subsequent resurgence of interest in the case through film, lay bare a saga of mental illness, rehabilitation, and society's fluctuating responses to crime.

The trial was marked by the defense's focus on the girls' mental state, with psychiatrists testifying that Juliet and Pauline were suffering from a shared psychosis.

During their trial, evidence including long passages from Pauline's diary was presented, showing the girls as indifferent, smiling, and exchanging glances as charges were laid out. The girls’ bizarre demeanors were in stark contrast to the seriousness of the proceedings. The defense argued that their intense relationship and disturbed mental states were behind the murder rather than any calculated plan. Psychiatrists testified, diagnosing both girls with paranoia as a result of a shared psychosis.

The girls were sentenced to a remarkably lenient term of only five years in prison, sparking outrage from the public.

The sentencing was an exceptional case, where both girls, under 18 years of age, received "detention during her majesty's pleasure," resulting in five years of incarceration in separate adult prisons. Post-release, they altered their identities in a successful attempt to regain their privacy.

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  • "Detention during her majesty's pleasure" is a legal term used in the UK for an indefinite sentence given to individuals, typically minors, considered too dangerous to release but not necessarily sentenced to life imprisonment. It allows the authorities to detain the individual for as long as necessary for the protection of society, with periodic reviews to assess their progress and potential for release. This type of sentence is often used for young offenders who have committed serious crimes but are believed to have the potential for rehabilitation.
  • Shared psychosis, also known as folie à deux, is a rare psychiatric disorder where delusional beliefs are transmitted from one individual to another who is in close proximity. The person with the primary delusional disorder is considered the inducer, while the other person adopts the delusional beliefs, known as the recipient. This phenomenon typically occurs in close relationships, such as between family members or partners, and can lead to shared delusions and abnormal behavior in both individuals. Treatment often involves separating the individuals to break the cycle of shared delusions and providing appropriate psychiatric care.
  • The sentencing of Juliet Hulme and Pauline Parker was considered lenient due to their young age, the unique circumstances of the case, and the diagnosis of shared psychosis by psychiatrists, which influenced the court's decision. Despite public outrage, the court opted for a rehabilitative approach rather than a punitive one, aiming to address the underlying mental health issues of the girls. The concept of "detention during her majesty's pleasure" allowed for a flexible term based on their progress and rehabilitation, contributing to the perception of leniency. The girls' subsequent successful reintegration into society post-release further supported the effectiveness of the sentencing approach.
  • After their release from prison, Juliet Hulme and Pauline Parker changed their identities to start afresh and protect their privacy. This involved legally changing their nam ...

Counterarguments

  • The focus on shared psychosis during the trial may have overshadowed other relevant factors, such as the girls' upbringing, social environment, or potential premeditation.
  • The use of Pauline's diary as evidence could be seen as an invasion of privacy and may not have accurately reflected the girls' mental states or intentions.
  • The diagnosis of paranoia and shared psychosis by psychiatrists could be contested by other mental health professionals who might have differing opinions on the condition or its relevance to the case.
  • The public outrage over the lenient sentencing could be countered by arguments that emphasize rehabilitation over retribution, especially given the girls' ages.
  • The decision of the girls to alter their identities and seek privacy post-release could be defended as a reasonable response to the stigma of their crime and a necessary step for reintegration into society.
  • The resurgence of interest due to "Heavenl ...

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