"I Was Diagnosed With Stage 4 Cancer. How Do I Protect My Dependents?"
In this episode of Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin, a woman named Erin shares her experience of receiving a stage four breast cancer diagnosis and planning for her family's financial future. Despite having substantial savings and investments, including retirement accounts and a joint investment account, Erin seeks guidance on protecting her financially dependent mother and husband after her passing.
The episode explores essential estate planning strategies with elder law attorney Veronica Escobar, who explains how to structure a revocable trust alongside a will. Escobar outlines specific approaches for ensuring the financial security of Erin's dependents, including provisions for her mother's housing and medical care needs, while avoiding the complexities of probate court.
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Erin's Breast Cancer Diagnosis and Prognosis
In February 2024, Erin received a shocking stage four breast cancer diagnosis after her first mammogram. Despite being physically fit and active, the cancer had spread to her liver and bones. After two failed treatments, Erin is now on her third treatment and experiencing stability, though her oncologist estimates she has one to two good years ahead.
Erin's Current Financial Situation and Assets
Erin and her husband maintain a strong financial position, with no debt except their mortgage and substantial six-figure savings. Their portfolio includes Erin's employer-sponsored Roth 401(k) with a 4% company match, a separate Roth IRA managed by a wealth advisor, and a non-qualified joint investment account. All retirement accounts name her husband as the beneficiary.
Creating a Will and Trust to Protect Family
Elder law attorney Veronica Escobar recommends that Erin and her husband execute identical estate planning documents, including a revocable trust to avoid probate. The trust should work alongside a will to ensure controlled asset distribution. Escobar advises naming Erin's husband as the primary beneficiary and her mother as the contingent beneficiary, with specific provisions for her mother's continued residence in their house.
Providing For Erin's Mother Through the Trust: Considerations
Given that Erin's retired mother is financially dependent on them, Escobar suggests establishing specific provisions within the trust for her mother's care. The trust should cover essential expenses, including medical care, housing, and daily needs, potentially through a monthly stipend. Escobar emphasizes the importance of detailed instructions for the trustee to ensure Erin's mother's long-term financial security, particularly since she lacks a long-term care policy.
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- You can start by assessing your own health and financial situation to prepare for any unforeseen circumstances. Begin by scheduling a full medical check-up to understand your current health status and potential risks. Then, review your financial assets, debts, and insurance policies to ensure you have a clear picture of your financial health. This will help you make informed decisions about estate planning and asset management, similar to how Erin is managing her affairs.
- Consider setting up a revocable living trust to manage your assets and provide for your dependents. Research local estate planning attorneys or online legal services that can guide you through the process of creating a trust. This will allow you to specify how your assets should be distributed and can provide for any dependents, such as elderly parents, in a manner that you see fit.
- Explore setting up a stipend or other financial arrangements for dependents who may rely on you for support. If you have family members who depend on your financial support, like Erin does with her mother, calculate how much they would need monthly to cover their essential expenses. Then, work with a financial advisor to establish a fund or investment strategy that can provide this support in your absence.
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Erin's Breast Cancer Diagnosis and Prognosis
Erin’s encounter with advanced breast cancer at a relatively young age underscores the unpredictability of the disease and the importance of early detection and ongoing medical research.
Erin's Stage 4 Breast Cancer Diagnosis in 2024 After First Mammogram
Shocking Diagnosis: Fit, Active Erin Showed No Signs of Illness
In February of 2024, Erin received a shocking diagnosis of metastatic stage four breast cancer after her very first mammogram. Initially considered stage two, further PET scan investigations revealed that the cancer had spread to her liver and bones. This development advanced the classification to stage four. Despite being physically fit and staying active, Erin showed no physical or outward signs of illness, which made the diagnosis particularly startling.
Erin's First Treatments Failed, Prognosis 1-2 Years
Erin's Third Treatment: Stable now, Cancer Will Progress
Erin's battle with cancer has been challenging, as her first two lines of treatment proved unsuccessful, and she required chemotherapy less than two years after her diagnosis. When discussing life expectancy with he ...
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- You can schedule regular health screenings to catch potential issues early, even if you feel healthy. Since Erin was fit and active but still developed stage 4 cancer, it's a reminder that serious health conditions can be silent. Set calendar reminders for annual check-ups and screenings recommended for your age and gender, and don't skip them even if you're feeling well.
- Create a personal health journal to track any changes in your body or health over time. Erin showed no signs of illness, which suggests the importance of being aware of subtle changes. Use a simple notebook or a digital app to record daily health notes, such as energy levels, sleep quality, and any new aches or pains. This can help you identify patterns or changes that might warrant a doctor's visit.
- Develop a support network that you can rely on in times of need. Eri ...
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Erin's Current Financial Situation and Assets
Erin and her husband are in a strong financial position, with substantial savings and a careful consideration of their asset management.
Erin and Husband Debt-Free Except Mortgage, Large Savings
Erin and her spouse are in a sound financial situation with no debt apart from their mortgage. They have exhibited considerable fiscal responsibility having accumulated a six-figure saving, which provides them with a robust financial cushion.
Erin's Roth 401(k), Roth Ira, and Joint Account
Erin is very attentive to the tax implications associated with transferring assets, especially when it comes to retirement funds and ensuring her husband's financial benefit.
Tax-efficient Retirement Asset Transfer For Erin's Husband
Erin holds a Roth 401(k) through her employer that features a 4% company match; she has designated her husband as the beneficiary of this account. The Roth nature of the 401(k) means that they have been contributing post-tax dollars, which allows for tax-free growth and withdrawals, given certain conditions are met.
Additionally, Erin has a separate Roth IRA that is managed by a franchise wealth advisor, offering another retirement saving vehicle with similar tax-advantaged growth.
Beyond these retirement accounts, Erin and her husband share a non-qualified joint account. This is likely an investment account th ...
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- You can create a 'what-if' financial plan to prepare for different scenarios, including the transfer of assets. Start by listing all your assets and potential tax implications for each. Then, research or consult with a financial advisor to understand the best strategies for each asset type in the event of your passing. For example, you might find that certain assets are better held in a trust, while others should be directly inherited to minimize taxes.
- Consider setting up a payable-on-death (POD) or transfer-on-death (TOD) designation for your bank and non-retirement investment accounts. This allows for the direct transfer of assets to a named beneficiary without going through probate, which can be more tax-efficient and quicker. You can usually set this up by filling out a form with your financial institutio ...
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Creating a Will and Trust to Protect Family
Nicole Lapin and elder law and trusts and estates attorney, Veronica Escobar, discuss how Erin can create a will and trust to protect her family financially, particularly her husband and mother.
Estate Planning Attorney Needed For Erin and Husband's Revocable Trust
Trust Avoids Probate, Offers Asset Distribution Control
During the discussion, Veronica Escobar strongly advises Erin to discuss provisions for her mother to live in their house indefinitely with her husband. These wishes should be memorialized in a legally enforceable document. Veronica recommends that Erin and her husband should execute identical or nearly identical estate planning documents.
It is recommended that Erin and her husband execute a trust to handle assets and avoid probate. A trust with a will acts as a safety net to ensure assets are not left in intestacy. After establishing the trust and naming the trustees and beneficiaries, the beneficiary designations for Erin's retirement accounts should be set as the trust to ensure controlled distribution of assets.
Trust to Name Erin's Husband As Primary Beneficiary, With Mother as Contingent Beneficiary if He Predeceases
Ensures Financial Care For Mother if Erin Passes Away
Veronica Escobar explains that assets placed in a trust, including brokerage accounts, and liquid assets, are distributed according to the terms of the trust. For real estate assets like Erin's house, a title change may be required—a process that needs the consent of her husband. A revocable trust is recommended for Erin for its flexibility, allowing her to control, modify, or terminate the trust if desired.
Caller Erin expresses concern for her financially dependent mother. In Erin's life insurance policies, her spouse is the primary beneficiary and her mother, the contingent beneficiary. Provisions in the trust must be made for Erin's mother to reside ...
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- You can create a family meeting agenda to openly discuss estate planning with your loved ones, ensuring everyone's expectations and roles are clear. Start by scheduling a regular family meeting where you can talk about your wishes, the importance of legal documentation, and how each family member fits into the plan. This can help prevent misunderstandings and ensure that everyone, including potential future beneficiaries, is on the same page.
- Consider using an online estate planning platform to draft your initial documents before consulting with an attorney. Many platforms offer guided processes to help you think through various scenarios and draft documents that reflect your wishes. This can be a cost-effective way to start the estate planning process and can prepare you for a more informed discussion when you do consult with a legal profes ...
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Providing For Erin's Mother Through the Trust: Considerations
In a recent conversation, caller Erin expressed her desire to create a safeguard for her husband and retired mother through a trust that would address both their needs, particularly in case her own health deteriorates.
Erin Supports Mother Financially
Erin's mother, who is retired, lives with Erin and financially depends on them. As such, Erin is looking for ways to ensure her mother's continued support and care.
Trust to Cover Mother's Care Expenses
Veronica Escobar advises Erin to establish a trust specifically for her mother's needs.
Protecting Erin's Mother's Financial Security
Erin’s mother lacks a long-term care policy and sufficient personal funds for long-term care. The trust is proposed to secure her living arrangements, allowing her to remain in the current home indefinitely unless she passes away or can no longer be cared for at home.
Veronica Escobar outlines options for structuring the trust, including providing Erin's mother with a monthly stipend for her needs. The trust would cover essential expenses, such as medical care, maintenance, housing, clothing, travel, and more. The trust's language can offer detailed instructions for the trustee to follow.
Although not explicitly discussed, it’s implied that the trust should be structured to encompass care expenses, ensuring Erin’s mother’s financial security. Additionally, the contingenc ...
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- You can create a care budget spreadsheet to estimate future costs for your dependent's needs, including potential long-term care scenarios. Start by researching average costs for housing, medical care, and daily living expenses in your area. Then, use a spreadsheet to project these costs over time, adjusting for inflation and potential changes in health status. This will give you a clearer picture of the financial commitment required and help you plan the trust fund's size and structure.
- Consider setting up a family meeting to discuss estate planning and care responsibilities with all involved parties. Use this time to openly discuss expectations, financial capabilities, and the emotional aspects of caregiving. Document the outcomes of this meeting, including any agreements or plans made, to ensure everyone is on the same page and ...
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