In this episode of Money Rehab, Nicole Lapin and guests Rashad Bilal and Troy Millings explore the evolving landscape of retail investing and financial literacy. The discussion covers how individual investors are becoming more sophisticated through education, moving beyond emotional decision-making to embrace strategic approaches like ETFs and index funds. They also examine the impact of market fairness concerns, including Congressional trading activities.
The hosts share insights from their personal financial journeys, discussing how early experiences with money shaped their current approaches to wealth building. The conversation extends to practical perspectives on wealth targets and financial independence, with the hosts offering views on optimal savings goals and the importance of maintaining financial discipline regardless of income level. They emphasize living below one's means and prioritizing immediate financial planning over future considerations.
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Nicole Lapin, joined by Rashad Bilal and Troy Millings, discusses Toyota's recognition by Kelley Blue Book as the 2025 best resale value brand, before delving into investment strategies and market dynamics.
Troy Millings reflects on how their audience has matured through various market conditions, showing resilience during volatility by avoiding panic selling and instead buying quality companies during dips. Rashad Bilal notes that while retail investors typically underperform due to emotional decision-making, increased financial literacy has led to better investment choices, particularly in stable options like ETFs and index funds.
Rashad Bilal and Troy Millings discuss how retail investors are transitioning from being viewed as "dumb money" to becoming more educated investors. Troy emphasizes that being a "sophisticated investor" now depends more on financial knowledge than wealth, with even small investors able to succeed through education and disciplined investing.
Nicole Lapin raises concerns about market fairness, particularly regarding insider trading by political figures. While acknowledging these challenges, Rashad maintains that market participation remains crucial for wealth building, and Troy suggests using available tools to monitor Congressional trading activities.
Early financial experiences significantly shaped both hosts' approaches to money. Troy's family's loss of their home due to an adjustable-rate mortgage instilled strong financial discipline, while Rashad learned balanced money management from observing his entrepreneurial father and teacher mother.
The hosts explore "money dysmorphia," with Nicole Lapin sharing how her childhood experience with home foreclosure continues to influence her relationship with money, despite her current success.
As millionaires themselves, Rashad and Troy discuss evolving financial targets, from the challenge of saving their first $100,000 to pursuing higher goals like $10 million. Rashad considers $100 million as the "F-U number" for true financial independence, while Troy sets his personal security target at $50 million.
Both hosts emphasize the importance of avoiding lifestyle inflation and maintaining financial discipline regardless of wealth level. Rashad advocates for living below one's means and investing surplus funds, while Troy stresses the importance of present financial planning rather than postponing it for the future.
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Nicole Lapin, Rashad Bilal, and Troy Millings explore the latest accolade for Toyota from Kelley Blue Book and discuss the importance of disciplined investment strategies, especially in volatile markets.
Nicole Lapin announces that Kelley Blue Book has named Toyota the 2025 best resale value brand. Toyota vehicles are lauded for their superior ability to retain value, with an average retention of thousands more dollars after five years when compared to other vehicles.
Troy Millings reflects on the audience's experience through various market conditions, including bull and bear markets. During times of market volatility, like the tariff announcement in early April, the audience displayed investment savvy by avoiding panic selling and recognizing opportunities to invest in quality companies at lower prices.
Rashad Bilal underscores the ongoing challenge of regaining the market highs of February, but observes an encouraging trend of people investing during market downturns, resisting the pull of fear-based decision making. He notes the gains in investment that have been observed over time among those who choose stable investments like ETFs and index funds.
Troy shares his personal success in options trading, with his account up 60% since April despite the tariff-induced downturn. Yet, he joins Rashad in cautioning that while one's investment account may show significant growth from its inception, it might still reg ...
Financial Market Trends and Investment Strategies
Nicole Lapin introduces the hosts of the financial literacy podcast Earn Your Leisure, Rashad Bilal and Troy Millings, who discuss the importance and changing nature of leading to increased financial literacy across all economic sectors.
Rashad Bilal highlights a significant shift in how retail investors are perceived, transitioning from being seen as 'dumb money' to becoming more educated in making informed investment choices.
Troy Millings adds that the term 'sophisticated investor' has evolved and is no longer exclusively about having substantial wealth but rather about being well-educated in financial matters. Now, even those with a smaller capital, like $10,000, can make informed decisions and succeed in their investments. He points out that increasingly, people recognize the benefits of a solid return rate, such as a compounded 7% return, and are turning to financial education, contrasting the earlier belief that such growth was insignificant. Rashad underscores the critical role of financial literacy in building a portfolio over time and avoiding high-risk, get-rich-quick schemes such as online gambling.
However, concerns about whether finance can truly be democratized are also addressed.
Nicole Lapin brings up concerns regarding insider trading, especially focusing on how political figures, such as Nancy Pelosi, have made substantial profits in the market, exceeding their official salaries. Troy Millings explains that Pelosi's options trading strategy suggested she might have had access to privileged information about the potential growth of certain equities, particularly tech stocks.
Rashad Bilal also notes that members of Congress, briefed about ...
The Role of Financial Literacy and Democratizing Finance
Nicole Lapin explores the deep and lasting impact of early financial experiences on individuals like Troy and Rashad, whose backgrounds shaped their financial discipline and relationship with money.
Troy's home loss experience and Rashad's observations of his entrepreneurial father and teacher mother have heavily influenced their mindsets and financial practices.
Lapin brings up the story of Troy's parents, Jamaican immigrants who moved to Greenberg, New York, from the Bronx in the 1980s. After buying a house, they lost it within three years due to an adjustable-rate mortgage they could not afford after the interest rate almost doubled. This painful experience shaped Troy’s understanding of financial education and the need for careful money management. It instilled in him a sense of financial discipline as he witnessed his family move into a basement and deal with infestations. Despite these challenges, Troy cultivated financial literacy through self-education and developed a disciplined approach to money, ensuring the same mistakes would not befall his family. This drive led him to own two homes and take initiative to refinance his parents’ house during the low-interest rates during the pandemic, although his parents ultimately did not go through with it due to lingering fear from past experiences.
Rashad's financial perspectives were shaped by observing the contrasting financial stability of his parents. His entrepreneurial father's fluctuating income created an unstable financial environment at home, while his teacher mother had a regular income. Witnessing the resulting financial conflicts and challenges, Rashad learned to keep overhead low, save money during prosperous times, and spend cautiously to avoid financial strain during lean periods.
Early financial experiences can have lasting emotional impacts, fostering a perpetual sense of financial insufficiency no matter the current level of wealth.
The hosts discuss the concept of financial trauma and "money dysmorp ...
Personal Financial Journeys and the Psychology of Money
Nicole Lapin and her guests, Rashad Bilil and Troy Millings, delve into the topic of wealth accumulation and the ever-evolving financial goals, contemplating the subjective nature of what it means to feel financially sufficient or to have "enough."
Rashad and Troy, who have reached the milestone of becoming millionaires, discuss their financial journeys, starting with saving $100,000 to invest, followed by the ultimate dream of making a million dollars. Upon reaching their first million, they notably veered away from buying luxury items such as fancy watches, instead choosing to set their sights on a higher financial goal of $10 million, marking a progression in their wealth targets. As they continue to scale financial heights, Rashad considers the "F-U number" to be $100 million, a point at which he believes one's wealth is safeguarded against depletion, assuming liquidity. Troy Millings reinforces this concept, noting the importance of having cash on hand over net worth that’s locked in assets, such as a company valuation.
Rashad and Troy reflect on the varying benchmarks of financial success: earning six digits is the initial aim, achieving seven digits is illustrious but still requires effort, eight digits brings wealth yet requires maintenance, and nine digits elevates one to uber-rich status where a laissez-faire attitude is more feasible if a majority of the wealth is liquid. They discuss the end of their show due to significant financial accomplishments, contemplating a possible final episode to gift their learnings to the audience.
Nicole Lapin, Rashad, and Troy examine different F-U numbers and what individual financial independence looks like, emphasizing that "enough" varies extensively based on personal aspirations and lifestyles. Troy considers $50 million as the figure for his financial security, revealing the diversity in individual financial comfort levels. After engaging in this dialogue, Nicole revises her own concept of "enough" upwards, suggesting how perceptions of adequate wealth can evolve.
Wealth, Financial Goals, and the Concept of "Enough"
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