In this episode of Money Rehab, investor Karen Finerman discusses market volatility and risk management strategies with Nicole Lapin. Finerman explains her approach to managing investments during uncertain times, including the use of put options as protection against market downturns and her observations about the VIX (volatility index) as a potential indicator for buying opportunities.
The discussion also covers specific investment opportunities in companies like Amazon and Citigroup, as well as trends in the luxury sector. Finerman and Lapin examine the recent decline of the US dollar, exploring how this impacts American consumers' purchasing power, affects US exports, and influences the earnings of multinational companies.
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Investor Karen Finerman shares her approach to managing investments during volatile market conditions. She advocates for maintaining a long-term, diversified strategy despite short-term market fluctuations, emphasizing that while market downturns can be painful, trying to time the market precisely is challenging. Finerman recommends buying during significant market downturns while maintaining hedges to protect against risk.
Finerman describes using put options as "insurance with a high deductible" for protection against substantial market downturns. She monitors the VIX (volatility index) to inform her hedging decisions, viewing a high VIX as a potential buying opportunity. However, she cautions novice investors against trading options in the current unpredictable market, particularly regarding risky zero-day options.
Finerman identifies Amazon and Citigroup as currently attractive investments. She maintains a substantial position in Amazon, citing its AI potential, AWS division, and retail business, noting it trades at an unusually low 28 times earnings. For Citigroup, she's optimistic about CEO Jane Fraser's operational streamlining efforts and the bank's government-provided safety net.
In the luxury sector, Finerman observes LVMH's better positioning compared to struggling competitors like Kering. She also discusses the impact of tariffs on Chinese companies, particularly noting the $800 de minimis limit on shipments and its potential effects on luxury brands and companies like Meta through advertising revenue.
The podcast panel examines the US dollar's recent 8% decline, noting unusual economic patterns where bond yields are rising while the dollar falls. They attribute this decline to treasury sales and the unwinding of the Japanese yen carry trade. The weaker dollar acts as a "silent tax" on American consumers by reducing purchasing power, while simultaneously boosting US exports by making American goods more competitive internationally. For multinational companies, the declining dollar can increase earnings when converting foreign revenues back to dollars.
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Investors like Finerman suggest strategies for maintaining market positions during times of volatility and uncertainty, emphasizing the importance of a long-term, diversified approach and risk management through hedging.
Finerman shares that although market downturns, such as those caused by the pandemic or the great financial crisis, can be painful for those who are long on their investments, she maintains her established investment strategy. The difficulty of accurately timing the market keeps her vested in a long-term approach. She believes in buying during significant market downturns, echoing the adage to "buy when there's blood on the streets, even if it is your own." Finerman emphasizes that she consistently holds various hedges but remains net long in her positions.
Karen Finerman speaks about adjusting her hedges, such as buying back short positions, during market volatility. She uses puts as a form of "insurance with a high deductible," offering protection if the market takes a considerable downturn—more than 5%. When the market declines and the puts increase in value, Finerman advises that it is time to sell them. However, she warns that the current unpredictable market is not the best environment for novice options investors to begin trading, especially with very risky zero-day options that expir ...
Navigating Market Volatility and Uncertainty
Karen Finerman sheds light on potentially undervalued stocks and the dynamics of luxury retail and its interplay with Chinese consumer behavior.
Karen Finerman discusses two major companies, Amazon and Citigroup, which she believes are currently at attractive valuations.
Finerman holds a substantial position in Amazon, showing confidence in its potential, especially when the stock sees a downturn to around $172 or $173. She believes in Amazon's AI story, Amazon Web Services (AWS), and their sizeable retailing business. She highlights that Amazon is an attractive investment, particularly at the current price, and cites its strong balance sheet. Citing AWS and Amazon's "extraordinary retail business," she points out that Amazon is trading at an unusually low 28 times earnings.
Citigroup also draws Finerman's attention due to its significant valuation drop. She is optimistic about the multi-year efforts by CEO Jane Fraser to streamline the bank's operations and cut expenses, which is evidenced by the prospects of continued earnings improvements into 2025 and 2026. Finerman notes the protection government provides to strategically important financial institutions like Citigroup, implying they have a safety net. She finds Citigroup's valuation attractive and would consider buying its stock.
Karen Finerman and Nicole Lapin analyze the luxury sector and the implications of tariffs on Chinese companies serving U.S. consumers.
Lapin brings up luxury brands like LVMH and their recent performance. Finerman acknowledges the surprising contrast between American Express's success and LVMH's sales miss in the U.S. and Asia. She notes Kering's struggles, particularly with its flagship brand, Gucci. LVMH, on the other hand, led by the highly active CEO Bernard Arnault, seems better positioned when compared to Kering. Finerman favors LVMH over other luxury brands for potential investment.
Discussing Dell, Finerman addresses concerns over tariffs and their impact on AI and data center components central to the company's core business, as well as the effect on the PC business. However, she points out that Alibaba is having ...
Identifying Investment Opportunities in Specific Stocks and Sectors
Nicole Lapin and her fellow podcasters investigate the recent weakening of the U.S. dollar and its implications.
The podcast discusses the current financial climate, where the U.S. dollar has fallen by about 8% this year and is at a three-year low. An uncharacteristic economic pattern has emerged, with bond yields rising and the dollar falling against a backdrop where stocks are going down—a departure from the typical economic indicators interplay.
The panel explores factors contributing to the dollar's recent decline. The trend of treasury sales is cited as counterintuitive during a crisis when a flight to quality would normally lead to an increase in treasury purchases. Instead, people sold their bonds and when bond prices dropped, higher yields were needed to attract buyers. This sale of bonds and subsequent sale of the obtained dollars contributed to the weakening of the U.S. dollar.
Another factor was the unwinding of the Japanese yen carry trade as Japan raised interest rates, leading to an appreciation of the yen. The observed decline has raised questions about whether the U.S. dollar will continue to be the world's reserve currency.
The effects of the dollar's decrease are multifaceted, touching on every aspect from consumer purchasing power to government financing strategies.
A weaker dollar acts as a "silent tax" on American consumers by diminishing their purchasing power. This is because items from abroad become more expensive when the dollar's value drops. On the flipside, the falling dollar benefits U.S. exports by making American goods more affordable for ...
State of Us Dollar and Impacts
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