In this episode of Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin, comedian Iliza Shlesinger opens up about her financial journey in the world of comedy. She provides insight into the pay dynamics and income inconsistencies comedians face, including the challenges of double standards and pay gaps for female comics. Shlesinger also shares her conservative approach to investing and living within her means, advising against overspending driven by societal pressures.
The conversation delves into Shlesinger's critique of commercialized feminism and the debate over empowerment branding. Lapin offers her perspective on reclaiming the "boss bitch" title, while Shlesinger favors an authentic, values-driven identity over trendy labels. The episode explores the complexities of establishing financial independence in the entertainment industry while navigating gender dynamics and personal finance philosophies.
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Iliza Shlesinger shares that in the early comedy career stage, comics were expected to perform for little or no pay to build experience and reputation. Shlesinger herself started with a day job while doing stand-up at night.
As comics progress, earning potential increases through performance fees, touring, merchandising, and appearances. Shlesinger describes negotiating theater deals based on drawing power and earning from channels beyond stand-up. Top comedians like Gabriel Iglesias and Dave Chappelle can earn millions from major events and specials, aided by merchandise sales and high ticket prices.
However, Shlesinger notes the comedy career involves financial inconsistencies, with periods of highs and lows even for successful comics. Nicole Lapin echoes the income unpredictability in the industry.
Shlesinger critiques the "female comic" label, feeling it positions women as inferior. She advocates for evaluation based on merit, not gender milestones.
Shlesinger recounts being paid less than a male celebrity for the same gig despite her success, highlighting the pay gap. She had to fight for equal pay after proving her contributions in selling tickets.
Shlesinger suggests the comedy economy has not historically appealed to female audiences, possibly influencing lower ticket prices for female comics. However, some female comics have capitalized on visibility and fanbases to build lucrative businesses through merchandising, podcasting, and books.
Shlesinger relies on advisors and maintains a diversified, low-risk investment portfolio focused on steady growth. She spends cautiously on substantial investments like mortgages over luxury items.
Shlesinger warns against ostentatious spending fueled by "keeping up" pressures. She advocates minimizing debt by paying cash and slowly paying down mortgages.
Shlesinger criticizes "glitter talk" empowerment slogans like "boss bitch" as cliched marketing rather than meaningful change. She prefers an authentic, values-driven identity over trendy labels.
Lapin, however, has used "boss bitch" deliberately to reclaim and redefine a pejorative term from her finance career experiences. She defends it as empowering, though critiques "girl boss" as diminishing authority.
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In an industry where laughs are the currency, comedians often start with empty pockets but can eventually hit the jackpot. Iliza Shlesinger shares that in the early 2000s, comics weren't commonly paid for stage time, especially in places like LA. They were expected to perform wherever they could get stage time because initially their act wasn't worth money. Nicole Lapin echoes this, mentioning how comics often work for free at the beginning of their careers. Despite the challenges, there are also significant opportunities for those who stick with it.
Iliza Shlesinger, an established comedian, acknowledged that she started doing stand-up at night while working a daytime job to supplement her income until winning "Last Comic Standing" three years in. Early in a comedy career, comics may have to supplement their income with other jobs while performing at open mics and small clubs. Even as an established comedian, Shlesinger explains the power of saying no to gigs, especially ones that pay low, indicating that she values her time.
As comics progress in their careers, the financial picture improves with opportunities for fixed fees for performances or a percentage of box office sales. Shlesinger discusses moving up to larger venues like theaters where deals are negotiated based on the comic's drawing power. While merchandising at shows can yield profit, there are many costs involved, including production, sourcing, printing, handling, selling, and the venue’s cut.
Shlesinger goes on to say that money can be made from a comedy career through various channels not directly related to performing stand-up, such as appearances, panel shows, and leveraging a successful platform. Having Netflix specials can open up international touring opportunities, although not all comics tour abroad. She notes that she became a headliner after winning "Last Comic Standing," earning enough through comedy t ...
The financial challenges and opportunities of a career in comedy
Iliza Shlesinger sheds light on the unique challenges that female comedians face in an industry still grappling with gender dynamics, affecting their financial prospects and public perception.
Iliza Shlesinger discusses the problematic label "female comic," which she feels positions women as only comparable against each other and somehow inferior to men. She speaks against qualifying her accomplishments as a female because it implies her achievements are not on par with those of men. Shlesinger recalls being the first woman to play an arena in Denver and questions the significance of such gender-specific milestones, advocating for a merit-based measure of success.
Shlesinger illuminates the wage gap in comedy by noting that only a few women make a significant income in comedy compared to their male counterparts. She recounts an incident where she was paid less than a more famous male celebrity for the same stand-up show, despite her equal or greater success in the medium. After contesting the lower payment on the grounds of her contributions to building the brand and selling tickets, the bookers gave her a raise, highlighting the pay disparity that exists even among successful comics.
Shlesi ...
Gender dynamics and their impact on the financial experiences of female comics
Iliza Shlesinger shares her conservative, disciplined approach to personal finance, emphasizing the significance of living within one’s means and making informed financial decisions.
Shlesinger has built a support network for her financial decisions, including a business manager, someone to handle her stocks, and benefiting from her father's background in financial planning. Her mother also takes an active interest in her financial well-being. Iliza keeps close tabs on her financial statements and prioritizes safe investments, including federally-backed ones or stable stocks like Apple, reflecting her cautious and conservative investment philosophy.
Iliza spends prudently, directing most of her spending towards substantial investments, such as her mortgage and plane tickets for travel rather than on fleeting, extravagant items like designer accessories. She prefers to put her money into investments that resonate with her personal interests and values, such as a pickleball company, due to her love of the sport, and she looks into the ecological implications of her banking choices.
Shlesinger advises against lavish spending and the societal pressures of affluence that can lead ...
Personal finance strategies and mindsets, including saving, spending, and wealth-building
Discourse on empowerment in the domain of business and finance carries different connotations for two notable figures, Iliza Shlesinger and Nicole Lapin, who both address the use of popularized feminist branding with varied views.
Iliza Shlesinger expresses skepticism towards what she calls "glitter talk," which is third or fourth wave-ish empowerment jargon like "yes, girl," "yes, queen," and "slay all day." She criticizes it as being more about marketing products than about promoting substantial feminist action, such as voting or idea exchange. Shlesinger sees this language as marginalizing, particularly in professional settings where men can't participate, and views it as lacking genuine empowerment.
Shlesinger discusses the issue of superficial empowerment through terms like "girl boss" and "boss bitch." Initially seen as novel ways for women to express strength and independence, these phrases have become oversaturated and tiring. She argues for an approach prioritizing personal happiness and authenticity over labels, pointing out the cliches that accompany overused sayings like "live, love, laugh."
She emphasizes the importance of authentic action over catchy slogans. Shlesinger suggests that if being a "bitch" is an inevitable label assigned by others regardless of one's actions, it's preferable to be a "boss" rather than conform to cliched terms.
Nicole Lapin, however, has a different perspective. She has used the term "boss bitch" in her book titles as a reclaimin ...
Perspectives on empowerment language and branding around money and business
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