In this Modern Wisdom episode, Andrew Doyle examines the evolution and current state of "woke" ideology across society. He discusses data showing its peak influence in 2020 and subsequent decline, along with recent changes in corporate DEI programs. The conversation explores how this ideology has moved beyond academia to influence politics, corporations, and culture, while noting that even at its height, these beliefs were supported by a small percentage of the population.
The discussion extends to broader societal concerns, including the normalization of political violence, challenges in gender identity discourse, and tensions surrounding free speech laws. Doyle analyzes authoritarian tendencies across the political spectrum, from institutional enforcement of progressive ideologies to right-wing restrictions on expression. He also addresses specific impacts on various communities and examines how hate speech legislation affects public discourse.

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According to Andrew Doyle, "woke" ideology has expanded beyond academia into politics, corporations, and culture. This ideology, rooted in Critical Race Theory, gender identity, and intersectionality, views society through the lens of identity-based oppression. Doyle explains that the movement has fostered a culture of cancellation and tends to suppress dissent rather than promote genuine equality.
Recent data from The Economist shows that support for woke ideology peaked in 2020 and has since declined. Doyle notes that even at its height, woke beliefs were only supported by 8-10% of the population. Major corporations like McDonald's, Walmart, and Meta have begun rolling back their DEI programs due to studies showing these programs can actually exacerbate workplace issues.
Doyle and Chris Williamson discuss the troubling normalization of violent rhetoric within ideological movements. They point to examples of activists openly calling for violence against opposing views and the increasing acceptance of such rhetoric in mainstream discourse. A FIRE study reveals growing tolerance for violence among young people on both the left and right, particularly on university campuses.
Doyle addresses the problematic conflation of gender identity with sexual orientation within the LGBTQ+ community. He argues that this merger has led to adverse outcomes, particularly for lesbians and gay men, as it often forces them to accept partners they're not attracted to. The movement has also been criticized for potentially contributing to the decline in support for gay marriage due to its association with broader gender ideology.
In discussing UK legislation, Doyle highlights concerns over vague "hate speech" laws that enable potential abuse and selective enforcement. He points to troubling statistics from The Times showing roughly 12,000 annual arrests for offensive online speech. The implementation of "non-crime hate incidents" by UK police, despite criticism from the High Court, further demonstrates the tension between free speech and ideological enforcement.
Doyle observes authoritarian traits in both left-wing and right-wing movements. He argues that "woke" ideology, despite its progressive aims, often displays authoritarian tendencies through institutional impositions and the suppression of debate. Similarly, he notes concerning authoritarian impulses on the right, such as support for flag-burning bans and restrictions on free expression.
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Andrew Doyle discusses the controversial rise and apparent decline of "woke" ideology, and the implications it has for society.
The term "woke," as Andrew Doyle explains, has made waves beyond its academic roots, influencing politics, corporations, culture, and even attracting the support of public figures like Meghan Markle and Prince Harry. Predominantly supported by activists from the upper-middle class, this ideology is backed by influential sectors.
"Woke" ideology is characterized by its focus on identity-based oppression as seen through the prisms of Critical Race Theory, gender identity, and intersectionality. This framework suggests that societal ills persist because of embedded structures that benefit certain groups, particularly white individuals, and are designed to remain invisible while perpetuating racism.
Moreover, Doyle argues that the movement dilutes class and economic discussions in favor of group identity narratives, indicating that group identity is a primary focus of woke ideology. The movement has also given rise to a so-called "woke hydra," with each head representing a different aspect of the ideology, all under the umbrella of intersectional theory.
Pointing out the complexities within its own ranks, Doyle discusses the "woke" tendency to create oppression hierarchies. He notes the difficulty "woke" supporters face in reconciling conflicting aspects, such as supporting both Islam and gay rights, despite anti-gay sentiment within mainstream Muslim communities. He criticizes the support for Sharia courts in the UK by woke activists, suggesting it dismisses the struggles of Muslim feminists.
Furthermore, Doyle mentions that the movement has fostered a culture of cancellation, restricting who can speak freely and suggesting that it suppresses dissent rather than fostering genuine equality and inclusion.
According to Doyle, "woke" ideology is now on the decline, as evidenced by a report from The Economist, showing that support for wokeness peaked in 2020 and has been decre ...
"Woke" Ideology: Rise, Decline, and Implications
Doyle and Williamson discuss the disturbing trend of normalization of violence and rhetoric within ideological movements and its implications for society.
The conversations reveal a concerning pattern of violent rhetoric being normalized among certain activist communities. For instance, Doyle recalls seeing a photograph from a protest with politicians holding a placard that read "decapitate TERFs," clearly illustrating the presence of violent rhetoric. Doyle also recounts instances of intense online harassment from left-wing and gender-critical feminists, including discussions about murdering gay men.
Doyle expresses shock at how mainstream left-wing voices are either justifying or showing sympathy for violent actions, like the murder of Charlie Kirk, signifying a troubling shift towards the normalization of violent speech. Doyle was taken aback by a trans pride protest where the call for violence against a specific group was met with cheers, which further indicates the widespread acceptance of violent rhetoric.
Chris Williamson talks about the escalation of real-world violence as discussions about trans ideology and woke topics intensify, noting instances connected to shootings. Similarly, JK Rowling has been subject to continuous rape and death threats, reflecting the alarming normalization of violence within genderist movements.
Doyle discusses the fascistic trait of the violent suppression of opposition seen in Antifa's actions and worries how it may reflect upon a cause he supports if such rhetoric is cheered on at protests. He also notes how vibrant debates from his university days have been marred by vicious disagreements now, indicating the decline of civil discourse. Both suggest that qualifiers often used to distance oneself from violence while maintaining political loyalty are part of an alarming acknowledgment of the rising trend of political violence.
Doyle mentions how the misuse of terms like fascist and Nazi can dehumanize individuals and indirectly endorse violence. Additionally, a study by FIRE has found a growing tolerance for violence among young people on both the left and the right, particularly on university campuses. The discussion touc ...
Normalization of Violence and Rhetoric Within Ideological Movements
Andrew Doyle addresses the increasing conflation of gender identity and sexual orientation, highlighting how this blend is leading to adverse outcomes for the LGBTQ+ community.
Doyle explains the problematic nature of conflating gender identity with sexual orientation, particularly within the LGBTQIA+ community. Beyond "LGB," other included identities may hold ideas that are fundamentally opposed to the essence of gay rights, which prioritizes innate same-sex attraction.
Doyle argues that the genderist movement criticizes lesbians and gay men for their sexual preferences, engages in the sterilization and medical transitioning of gay youth, and is essentially anti-gay. For instance, he mentions the intolerance faced by lesbians in Australia, where it’s illegal for them to gather without the inclusion of men who identify as women. Additionally, lesbian dating sites encompass individuals with male anatomy, raising questions about the true recognition and respect for lesbians' sexual orientation.
He observes that the insistence on including individuals with male anatomy in lesbian spaces is regarded by some lesbians as a violation of their rights. The adoption of symbols such as the Progress Pride flag, which many in the gay community see as a misrepresentation and anti-gay, further exemplifies the struggles within the community. Mayor of London's unknowing advocacy of the flag symbolizes a broader lack of understanding of these internal tensions.
The conflation is also evident in broader societal opinions, as Doyle notes a decline in support for gay marriage due to actions of the genderist movement, erroneously associated with gay rights.
Doyle emphasizes the clear distinction between sexual orientation and gender identity, pointing out that sexual orientation is about innate attraction, whereas gender identity corresponds to personal belief about one's gender. He worries that the activist interpretation of legal terms—like those pertaining to gender reassignment in the UK Equality Act—are eroding rights founded on biological sex, as evidenced in the Supreme Court ruling that upheld the significanc ...
The Conflation of Gender Identity and Sexual Orientation
In the UK, there has been growing concern over "hate speech" laws that carry broad and often vague definitions that enable potential abuse and selective enforcement. This ambiguity has engendered fear over the erosion of free speech.
Andrew Doyle emphasizes the difficulty UK governments face in defining terms such as "gender identity," which are foundational to enforcing policies and laws. With vague and circular definitions—like the Irish government's bill defining hatred as "hatred of any protected characteristics"—laws can be exploited for varying interpretations. The Times’ report, showing that an average of 12,000 people a year are arrested in the UK for online speech deemed offensive, highlights the expansive reach of these provisions.
The problem with these laws is exemplified by cases such as a mother imprisoned for over a year for a tweet, an incident where an individual was arrested by armed police for a series of tweets perceived as offensive, and other examples that demonstrate a disquieting trajectory toward punitive measures for speech. In some cases, remarks that seemingly had no prospect of inciting violence have led to arrests and imprisonment, reflecting a distressing trend away from traditional free speech values.
The rise of "non-crime hate incidents" in the UK—where one can be reported for supposed offensive remarks without evidence of actual hatred—illustrates a troubling trend. The College of Policing’s adoption and continuation of this practice, despite criticism from the High Court and direction to cease by two different Home Secretaries, underscores a potential for authoritarian overreach that disregards both legal authority and free expression.
Andrew Doyle references situations highlighting a two-tier policing system that seems to enforce based on ideological bias rather than law, citing unequal treatment and the neglect of serious threats in favor of pursuing incidents of misgendering. This inconsistency suggests that certain beliefs are being privileged over others, leading to the weaponization of ...
Erosion of Free Speech and "Hate Speech" Laws
Doyle criticizes upper-middle-class activists for dictating terms of privilege without relinquishing their own, indicating authoritarian tendencies within the "woke" ideology. He views the "woke" activists' cheerleading for the EU, run by right-wing politicians with capitalist ideas, as paradoxical ideological authoritarianism. Doyle highlights the "no debate" mantra associated with "woke" ideology, suggesting it is maintained not through debate but refusal to engage in discussion, which hints at authoritarian traits.
Doyle indicates that woke ideology cannot sustain through debate and even suggests that some adherents to woke beliefs may resort to violence if possible without repercussions. There is a fear of pushing back against extreme woke claims, such as a professor's hesitance to challenge a student's claim due to fear of HR complaints. This reflects an authoritarian reluctance to question the ideology within institutions. Concerns also arise about the UK police enforcing ideological leaning "non-crime hate incidents" and hate speech legislation, which may indicate authoritarian traits within left-wing movements.
Organizations and corporations that become "woke" often do so due to a few activists, shifting the organization to a conduit for the ideology. UK's College of Policing, which embraces gender identity ideology, directs police training and tends to act upon complaints if statements are made that men and women are different. This reflects an imposition of values not genuinely accepted by the majority.
The ideology pushed by the elites reveals an upper-middle-class movement not popular in working-class communities. With examples like Stonewall adopting rigid stances on gender identity without allowing debate, Doyle indicates an authoritarian approach to imposing certain beliefs.
Although there is no explicit mention, signs suggest that left-wing authoritarianism could prompt a right-wing authoritarian response. The selective enforcement of hate speech laws and the Scottish government allegedly prioritizing ideology over the law express concerns over potential authoritarian overreach. As woke ideology declines, Doyle warns about the rise of authoritarianism on the right.
Doyle implies that there is overlap between the left and hard left, suggesting an authoritarian streak within the left that does not distinguish between its moderate and extreme elements. As wokeness declines, those in the movement may become more defensive and extreme, equating to authoritarianism. Cancel culture suggests left-wing authoritarianism, aiming to destroy lives based on disagreement, confirming tactics that could provoke a right-wing response.
Authoritarian Tendencies in Left-Wing and Right-Wing Movements
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