In this episode of Making Sense, Sam Harris and Anne Applebaum examine the ongoing civil war in Sudan, where two military factions fight for control of resources while various international powers pursue their own interests in the region. Through their discussion, they explore how civil society organizations are working to provide aid despite the chaos, and how multiple foreign nations are influencing the conflict's trajectory.
The conversation then shifts to broader changes in global power dynamics, particularly focusing on America's declining international influence. Harris and Applebaum discuss the consequences of dismantling key U.S. institutions like USAID and Radio Free Europe, examining how these changes have affected humanitarian efforts worldwide and created opportunities for countries like China and Russia to expand their global reach.
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Anne Applebaum and Sam Harris examine the ongoing civil war in Sudan, where two main factions—the Sudanese armed forces and the Rapid Support Forces (RSF)—are locked in a fierce battle for control. The conflict, as Applebaum explains, isn't driven by ideology but rather by the pursuit of power and valuable resources, particularly gold mines.
Despite the chaos, civil society has shown remarkable resilience through mutual aid organizations called Emergency Response Rooms, which distribute essential supplies. The situation is further complicated by the involvement of numerous international actors, including Saudi Arabia, UAE, Turkey, Egypt, Iran, and Russia, who are pursuing their own strategic interests rather than working toward peace.
Harris and Applebaum discuss how America's withdrawal from global leadership has created a power vacuum. According to Applebaum, areas like Sudan, Libya, Yemen, and Syria, which once had some semblance of order, are now marked by self-interested competition without U.S. or UN involvement.
The perception of American benevolence is rapidly eroding, Applebaum notes, particularly as the U.S. dismantles institutions like Radio Free Europe and other foreign broadcasters. This decline in American influence has created opportunities for China and Russia to expand their global reach, with Chinese state media already replacing American content in several regions.
Applebaum details how the abrupt shutdown of USAID has caused significant disruption to global humanitarian efforts. The closure led to canceled contracts, wasted resources, and the sudden halt of critical aid operations. Aid workers found themselves unable to deliver humanitarian assistance, and hospitals dependent on USAID support struggled to care for vulnerable populations.
Harris highlights how the dismantling of USAID was carried out ruthlessly, with workers who had dedicated their lives to humanitarian work being treated with disdain. Meanwhile, former USAID workers are advocating for grassroots approaches to aid distribution, though Applebaum notes that the sudden withdrawal of American support has compromised both global health initiatives and the United States' standing as a champion of democracy and humanitarian aid.
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Anne Applebaum and Sam Harris dissect the renewed civil war in Sudan, underscoring the stark power struggles and the extensive international involvement that perpetuates the conflict.
The civil war in Sudan has seen a plunge into chaos, involving two main factions: the Sudanese armed forces and the Rapid Support Forces (RSF), previously the infamous Janjaweed.
At the core of the conflict is a non-ideological battle, fought primarily over power, money, and control of valuable resources such as gold mines. This war is marked by a blatant disregard for the well-being of civilians, who are the primary victims of the strife. They face myriad suffering, including theft by RSF-aligned mercenaries who loot as a substitute for payment.
Anne Applebaum remarks on the resilience of civil society amid chaos; mutual aid organizations known as Emergency Response Rooms have emerged, providing essential food and medicine through their networks.
The situation in Sudan is complicated by the involvement of various global powers. These include Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Turkey, Egypt, Iran, and Russia, all of whom have been accused ...
Sudan Civil War and Global Powers Involvement
Sam Harris and Anne Applebaum address the implications of the United States stepping back from its leadership role on the world stage and the ensuing global challenges.
Harris opens the discussion on the consequences of America retreating from international affairs, observing the general unraveling of the system of international law and aid that has sustained the liberal world order.
There is a notable absence of outside power or organization that is willing to help end the conflict in places like Sudan, highlighting a vacuum in leadership. A Middle Eastern ambassador in Port Sudan expresses disbelief about America's waning interest in Africa, pinpointing a shift in the perception of America’s overseas contributions. This sentiment underscores that many still expect American diplomats to influence global affairs positively.
Applebaum explores areas such as Sudan, Libya, Yemen, and Syria, where there was once a semblance of order now marked by competition without U.S or UN involvement. She remarks that there’s nostalgia for America's peacemaker role but questions the reality of that image. Longing for an America that was more active globally is giving way to a view of the U.S. as transactional and concerned only with its interests.
Applebaum reflects on the U.S.'s image, which, despite its past bad behaviors in many areas, was counterbalanced by benevolent acts through aid like USAID or global health contributions. However, she notes the alarming speed at which ...
Liberal World Order Breakdown and U.S. Leadership Decline
The United States' abrupt withdrawal from international aid ventures, specifically USAID, has left a devastating impact on global humanitarian efforts and the nation's international influence.
Anne Applebaum details how the sudden dismantling of USAID, which was responsible for a significant portion of international humanitarian aid, led to dire consequences.
USAID's closure, as described by Applebaum, led to immediate chaos. Throughout the shutdown, the agency did not pass on responsibilities nor did it conduct careful cuts; instead, it experienced a full shutdown, resulting in widespread disruption. This sudden decision left many international organizations cut off from funding, logistics support, and vital operational services. An anonymous aid worker was left without access to the means required to deliver humanitarian aid, leading to undistributed food aid and additional costs from the potential destruction of high-nutrition food supplies. A doctor at a hospital reliant on nutritional aid from USAID found the termination of support harmful to malnourished children, leading to incomprehension and shame among those affected.
Harris highlights the ruthless nature of USAID's dismantlement, revealing a sense of jubilation among those responsible for it. The workers of the agency, who dedicated their lives to humanitarian work, were treated disdainfully. A void left by the U.S. withdrawal from global institutions like USAID is quickly filled by propaganda from countries like China and Russia, further degrading the global perception of the U.S.
This erosion of influence is seen as a "psychopathic destruction" of American soft power, with broad negative implications ...
Impact of U.S. Cutting International Institutions and Aid
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