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#389 — The Politics of Risk

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In this episode of Making Sense with Sam Harris, Sam Harris and Nate Silver delve into the implications of America's declining trust in institutions like the media, businesses, and higher education. They examine the rise of new influential elites, particularly in Silicon Valley, and how this has contributed to a cultural divide between analytical risk-takers and more traditional, risk-averse establishments.

Drawing insights from Silver's book "On the Edge," the discussion also explores how different groups approach risk and uncertainty, and how individualism's growing dominance impacts sectors like politics and finance. With the 2024 election just around the corner, they touch upon the challenges of forecasting and the potential for a Trump victory given his history of undermining democratic institutions.

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The cultural and political divide in America

America's profound loss of trust in institutions

Sam Harris and Nate Silver discuss America's stark decline in trust for institutions like the news media, businesses, and higher education. Despite material progress, concerning signs of cultural stagnation have emerged, with Silver suggesting a loss of trust can lead to suboptimal societal outcomes.

Harris argues algorithms exacerbate this issue by prioritizing engagement over truth, impeding society's ability to converge on shared facts. Silver also notes slowing innovation and democracy's global retreat.

The rise of new influential elites

The lack of trust in traditional power structures has fueled the rise of new influential elites, particularly in Silicon Valley, further dividing citizens from institutions. Two contrasting cultural groups have emerged:

The "river" - analytical risk-takers

Silver describes the "river" group as competitive, individualistic elites who often acquire knowledge outside traditional frameworks. This includes Silicon Valley figures like Sam Altman aspiring to advance AI.

The "village" - the traditional establishment

In contrast, the "village" represents more risk-averse, collectively-oriented traditional institutions valuing community standing, according to Silver.

This cultural divide impacts politics, with the current administration seemingly aligning more with the "village" mindset.

Nate Silver's book insights

Silver's book "On the Edge" explores how different groups approach risk, drawing from his poker and election forecasting backgrounds.

He analyzes influential "river" figures like Thiel and Musk, who Silver suggests exhibit unique attitudes towards uncertainty fueling unconventional risk-taking.

Harris adds that their dislike for "wokeness" makes their political behavior predictable based on economic interests and social aversions.

Silver explores how the growing dominance of the "river" culture's individualism is impacting sectors like politics and finance.

The 2024 election

With 11 days until the vote, uncertainties loom regarding the accuracy of forecasts and the potential for a Trump victory, given his history of undermining democratic institutions.

Silver discusses challenges like partisan polling agendas and voters' potential mistrust in elites influencing the outcome.

He also notes Harris' struggles in addressing concerns about her as a "woke Manchurian candidate" and effectively communicating policy shifts.

The influence of tech and crypto spending adds another complicating factor. Silver expresses frustration with the public's engagement with his model and the broader factors that could sway the election's outcome.

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  • The "river" cultural group represents analytical risk-takers who value individualism and innovation, often found in Silicon Valley. In contrast, the "village" cultural group embodies a more risk-averse, community-oriented approach, prioritizing traditional values and institutions. These two groups symbolize a broader societal divide in attitudes towards risk, innovation, and community engagement. The distinction between the "river" and "village" groups reflects differing perspectives on progress, leadership, and societal values in contemporary culture.
  • Sam Harris is a neuroscientist, philosopher, and author known for his views on religion, politics, and ethics. Nate Silver is a statistician and writer who gained fame for his accurate predictions in elections and sports. Sam Altman is a tech entrepreneur and investor, known for his work with Y Combinator. Thiel and Musk are prominent figures in the tech industry, with Peter Thiel being a venture capitalist and Elon Musk known for his work in companies like Tesla and SpaceX.
  • Nate Silver's book "On the Edge" delves into how different groups approach risk, drawing from his experiences in poker and election forecasting. The book explores influential figures like Thiel and Musk, highlighting their unique attitudes towards uncertainty and unconventional risk-taking. Silver discusses how the dominance of the "river" culture's individualism is impacting various sectors, such as politics and finance. The book provides insights into how these contrasting risk approaches shape decision-making and influence outcomes in today's society.
  • The uncertainties surrounding the 2024 election stem from factors like partisan polling agendas and potential mistrust in elites, which can impact the outcome. The influence of tech and crypto spending in the election relates to how these sectors contribute financially to campaigns and potentially sway voter opinions through targeted messaging and engagement strategies.

Counterarguments

  • Trust in institutions may be declining, but it's possible that this is part of a cyclical pattern where trust ebbs and flows over time, rather than a permanent or irreversible trend.
  • Some argue that cultural stagnation is a subjective assessment and that there are many areas where cultural innovation and progress are evident.
  • While algorithms may prioritize engagement, there is also a growing awareness and effort to balance this with the promotion of accurate information, including changes in social media policies and the rise of fact-checking services.
  • The narrative of slow innovation can be contested by pointing to rapid advancements in fields like biotechnology, renewable energy, and space exploration.
  • The rise of new elites in Silicon Valley could be seen as a natural evolution of power structures, reflecting the changing economic landscape rather than a divisive force.
  • The dichotomy between the "river" and "village" groups may oversimplify the complexity of cultural identities and overlook the diversity within each group.
  • The current administration's alignment with the "village" mindset could be interpreted as a commitment to stability and traditional values, which some citizens may find reassuring.
  • The impact of individualism on politics and finance is not universally agreed upon, and some may argue that collective action and community-oriented policies are also gaining traction.
  • The concerns about election forecasts and the potential for a Trump victory could be mitigated by improved polling methodologies and increased voter education.
  • The characterization of Harris as a "woke Manchurian candidate" is a politically charged statement that may not reflect the nuanced views of all voters or the complexity of her policy positions.
  • The influence of tech and crypto spending on elections is a new phenomenon that may not necessarily have a negative impact, and could represent the democratization of political funding.
  • Frustration with public engagement in election models may overlook the value of public scrutiny and the role of diverse perspectives in refining forecasting methods.

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#389 — The Politics of Risk

The cultural and political divide in America

America is experiencing a profound loss of trust in liberal institutions, the market economy, and democracy

Despite material progress, there are concerning signs of cultural and economic stagnation

Sam Harris and Nate Silver note America's profound loss of trust in key institutions and the emergence of signs that indicate cultural and economic stagnation.

Sam Harris describes a disconcerting American landscape where traditional institutions and long-standing political stances are being re-evaluated, from an "America First" foreign policy that echoes Charles Lindbergh’s isolationism to questioning the sustainability of capitalism on the political left. Notably, both the Republican Party and the left share a general trend of distrust in institutions.

A Gallup poll indicates a stark decline in trust for the news media, with ratings at their lowest ever. Similarly, confidence in most institutions, except for the military, including the church and higher education, has significantly declined. Big business and technology sectors are not exempt from this trend, with their trust ratings also suffering.

This loss of trust has consequences for how communities cooperate and function. Nate Silver illustrates this using the prisoner's dilemma as an analogy, suggesting that a loss of trust can lead to suboptimal outcomes, akin to neighborhoods having to invest more in crime prevention. Despite the assumption that more information should lead to rational and collaborative behavior, Silver points out that this is not the reality. Instead, a near-infinite segmentation of information allows people to reinforce their own worldviews, fostering confirmation bias and tribalism.

Algorithms, Sam Harris argues, exacerbate this issue by prioritizing engagement over truth or social health. These algorithms, indifferent to the veracity or societal impact of content, contribute to an environment ripe for political fragmentation and secular stagnation. He suggests that this fracture impedes our ability to converge on a shared set of facts.

Nate Silver reflects further on improvements in life quality over time, considering the long-term trend of i ...

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  • Sam Harris is a neuroscientist, philosopher, and author known for his work on atheism, ethics, and meditation. Nate Silver is a statistician and writer who gained fame for his accurate predictions in baseball and political elections, particularly through his website FiveThirtyEight. Both individuals are prominent public intellectuals who often comment on current events and societal trends from their respective fields of expertise.
  • The prisoner's dilemma is a concept in game theory where individuals may not cooperate, even if it is in their best interest to do so. It illustrates how rational decision-makers might not always choose the option that benefits them collectively. This dilemma highlights the tension between individual incentives and the overall outcome when trust is lacking.
  • Political fragmentation describes the division of society into distinct and often opposing political groups or factions, leading to a lack of consensus and cooperation. Secular stagnation is an economic theory that suggests a prolonged period of low growth and weak demand in an economy, often accompanied by high unemployment and underutilized resources. These concepts are intertwined in the context of the text, highlighting how societal divisions and economic challenges can reinforce each other, hindering progress and exacerbating social and economic issues.
  • The concerns about slow GDP growth in Europe and stagnating lifespans in the U.S. reflect economic and health challenges in these regions. Slow GDP growth in Europe indicates a sluggish economy with implications for job creation and overall prosperity. Stagnating lifespans in the U.S., especially among men, suggest a plateau or slowdown in the increase of life expectancy, which can be influenced by various factors like healthcare access, lifestyle choices, and public health challenges.
  • In recent years, there has been a noticeable global trend where democracy is facing challenges and retreating in some regions. This retreat is marked by the rise of authoritarian regimes, where power is concentrated in the hands of a single leader or a small group without the checks and balances typical of democratic systems. As a result, more individuals around the world are living under governments that restrict freedoms, limit political participation, and often suppress dissent. This shift represents a concerning reversal from the previous trend of democratization seen in the late 20th and early 21st centuries.
  • The detachment between citizens and traditional power structures signifies a growing gap or disconnect between the general population and established institutions like government, political parties, and other longstanding authorities. This disconnect often mani ...

Counterarguments

  • Trust in institutions may be cyclical and could reflect broader historical patterns rather than a permanent decline.
  • Material progress could be contributing to higher expectations and standards, which in turn make any stagnation more noticeable, rather than indicating a true lack of advancement.
  • Distrust in institutions might not be as widespread as suggested, with significant portions of the population still maintaining confidence in various institutions.
  • The decline in trust in media could be partially attributed to a more discerning and critical audience, which is not necessarily negative.
  • The use of algorithms is not inherently detrimental and can be designed to balance engagement with the promotion of accurate information.
  • Slow GDP growth and stagnating lifespans could be temporary setbacks rather than indicators of long-term trends, and may not fully account for other forms of progress.
  • The assertion that democracy is retreating globally could overlook th ...

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The erosion of trust in institutions and the rise of new influential elites

The loss of trust and skepticism towards established institutions is fostering the emergence of new influential elites, as discussed by Nate Silver and Sam Harris. These elites capitalize on these sentiments, with two contrasting cultural groups emerging: "the river" and "the village."

The divide between the "river" and the "village"

Silver suggests that there's an intuition among people that the elites, such as those in "the river" group, are not working in their best interest. He notes that this group includes analytical risk-takers from Silicon Valley, Wall Street, and the high-stakes gambling world. These elites have become increasingly dominant in the economy.

The "river" represents the world of analytical risk-takers

Silver describes "the river" as a culture of elite, analytical risk-takers who are very competitive and play to win. They are individualistic, capitalistic, and often contrarian, with many having acquired knowledge outside of traditional institutional frameworks. They include autodidacts from Silicon Valley, like Sam Altman, who aspire to advance AI.

Silver also comments on the influence of big tech money in elections and points out the tech industry's victory in having a California AI regulation bill vetoed, indicating their growing political muscle. The "river" group feels they can "make it up as they go" due to the erosion of trust in existing institutions.

The "village" represents the establishment

On the other hand, "the village" represents the establishment and more traditional institutions like the New York Times and Harvard University. This group tends to be more risk-averse and collectively oriented, with a strong concern for community standing to the point where they fear ostrac ...

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  • "The river" and "the village" are symbolic representations of two contrasting cultural groups. "The river" signifies elite, analytical risk-takers who are individualistic, competitive, and often contrarian, with roots in Silicon Valley and high-stakes industries. In contrast, "the village" represents traditional establishments and institutions that are more risk-averse, collective, and concerned with community standing and conformity. These groups reflect differing attitudes towards risk, individualism, and societal influence in the context of evolving power dynamics and trust in institutions.
  • Nate Silver is a statistician and writer known for his expertise in analyzing and forecasting political elections. Sam Harris is a neuroscientist, philosopher, and author who often discusses topics related to ethics, religion, and current affairs. Sam Altman is a prominent figure in the tech industry, known for his work as a startup investor and former president of the startup accelerator Y Combinator.
  • Big tech companies, like those in Silicon Valley, have significant financial resources that they can use to influence political outcomes through campaign contributions, lobbying efforts, and supporting candidates or causes aligned with their interests. This financial power can sway elections by funding advertising campaigns, supporting policy initiatives favorable to their industry, and influencing public opinion through various media channels. The influence of big tech money in elections and political decisions raises concerns about the potential impact on democratic processes, transparency, and fairness in governa ...

Counterarguments

  • The erosion of trust in institutions may not necessarily lead to the rise of new elites but could also result in a push for reform within existing institutions.
  • The dichotomy between "the river" and "the village" may oversimplify the complex spectrum of cultural and political groups in society.
  • The characterization of "the river" as purely individualistic and capitalistic may ignore elements within this group that advocate for social responsibility and ethical considerations.
  • The influence of big tech money in politics is not a new phenomenon and can be seen as a continuation of historical patterns where different industries have exerted political influence.
  • The "village" group, while risk-averse and collectively oriented, may also include individuals who are innovative and support progressive change within traditional frameworks.
  • The actions of the Biden-Harris administration could be interpreted as trying to balance the interests of both " ...

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Nate Silver's book "On the Edge: The Art of Risking Everything" and its insights on risk-taking, game theory, and cultural differences

Nate Silver’s experiences as both a professional poker player and election forecaster have culminated in his latest book, "On the Edge: The Art of Risking Everything," which delves into the nuanced approaches to risk among different cultural groups.

Silver, known for founding the election forecasting website FiveThirtyEight, draws from his rich background in probability and statistical analysis to offer insights on the complexities of risk in various contexts—a theme central to his book.

Silver's experiences as a professional poker player and election forecaster have shaped his perspective on how different cultural groups approach risk

Throughout Harris and Silver's discussion, it's evident that Silver sees himself as originating from what he calls "the river," indicating a propensity for risk-taking similar to that of a gambler. This mindset has been instrumental in his approach to election forecasting, with a focus on probabilistic outcomes and Bayesian reasoning.

Silver's analysis of figures like Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, and Sam Bankman-Fried reveals how influential individuals in the "river" culture often have a unique, sometimes unconventional, mindset towards risk and uncertainty

Silver, in his book, profiles influential figures such as Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, Sam Altman, Sam Bankman-Fried, and Donald Trump. He notes that these individuals from "the river" culture may exhibit a sense of uniqueness or solipsism that fuels their unconventional attitudes toward risk. For instance, he finds Thiel's conservative, anti-probabilist stance surprising amongst a culture dominated by analytical risk-takers. Additionally, Silver hints at the tremendous influence these leading figures wield, exemplified by Musk's potential to impact voter registration.

Sam Harris adds that Thiel and Musk share a dislike for "wokeness" and the identity politics on the left, suggesting that their behavior, especially in the political space, is predictable based on economic interests and social aversions. Moreover, Silver indicates that the engagement of people like Musk in politics might also stem from economic se ...

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  • The emphasis on "the river" culture may oversimplify the diversity of risk-taking behaviors and attitudes across different cultures and individuals.
  • Silver's focus on figures like Thiel, Musk, and Bankman-Fried might give the impression that only a certain type of risk-taker is successful, which could overshadow other successful risk-takers with different approaches.
  • The book's potential portrayal of "wokeness" and identity politics as uniformly negative could be seen as a one-sided perspective that doesn't account for the complex reasons behind these movements.
  • The prediction of political behavior based on economic interests and social aversions might not always hold true, as individuals' actions can be influenced by a multitude of factors, including moral and ethical considerations.
  • The idea that the "river" culture's dominance is changing the landscape of the economy could be challenged by pointing out that other factors, such as regulatory environments and global economic trends, also play significant roles.
  • The notion that u ...

Actionables

  • You can develop a personal risk assessment tool to evaluate decisions in your life by listing potential risks and rewards, assigning probabilities to outcomes, and deciding based on the balance of these factors. For example, when considering a job change, list the potential benefits (higher salary, better work-life balance) and risks (job security, company culture fit), estimate the likelihood of each scenario, and use this to inform your decision-making process.
  • Start a journal to track and reflect on your daily decisions, focusing on moments where you took risks or played it safe. At the end of each week, review your entries to identify patterns in your risk tolerance and consider how these choices align with your long-term goals. For instance, if you notice you're consistently avoiding networking opportunities due to fear of rejection, challenge yourself to attend one event per month to build your confidence and professional connections.
  • Engage in small-scale investments or crowdfunding ...

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The current state of the 2024 presidential election and its potential outcomes

With 11 days left until the vote, the 2024 presidential election hangs in the balance, eliciting apprehension about the potential outcomes and the accuracy of election forecasts.

Silver's election forecasting model and the factors that could influence the outcome, including news events, public vs. private polling, and the behavior of undecided and marginal voters

Political analyst Nate Silver brings attention to the complexities of forecasting election outcomes. Silver mentions that some GOP-aligned polls, such as Rasmussen Reports, may aim to influence narratives rather than accurately depict public sentiment. This creates challenges in modeling where partisan polls are weighted less to correct for bias.

The possibility of a Trump victory and the potential for public unrest, as well as concerns about election integrity in swing states

There is a palpable tension surrounding the potential for a Donald Trump victory, especially considering his history of undermining trust in democratic institutions. Silver and Harris discuss voters' possible mistrust in elites, which could sway the election outcome, and mention the partisanship affecting institutions expected to be unbiased, such as prominent media outlets.

The challenges facing the Harris campaign in effectively communicating her policy shifts and addressing the concerns of voters who view her as a "woke Manchurian candidate"

Harris observes that Kamala Harris's campaign struggles to address the candidate's past policy changes effectively. There's an urgency to clarify these position shifts on border security, crime and policing, and trans activism to ease voter concerns. The term "woke Manchurian candidate" has been used to describe suspicions about her platform, adding a layer of complication in securing the confidence of undecided voters.

There is also a mention of potential mistakes in the Biden-Harris administra ...

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  • While Nate Silver highlights the complexities of forecasting, it's important to note that no model can account for all variables, and unforeseen events can significantly alter the election outcome.
  • Some may argue that while GOP-aligned polls like Rasmussen Reports have been accused of bias, they could still provide valuable insights into certain voter segments that might be overlooked by other polling firms.
  • Concerns about a potential Trump victory leading to public unrest may not materialize if the election results are clear and perceived as fair by the majority of the electorate.
  • The integrity of elections in swing states is often scrutinized, but robust checks and balances can mitigate many of the concerns raised, and not all issues may lead to significant election fraud or outcome changes.
  • Mistrust in elites might not necessarily sway the election outcome if voters focus more on policy issues and personal circumstances than on perceptions of the political establishment.
  • The term "woke Manchurian candidate" could be seen as a politically charged label that does not accurately reflect the complexity of a candidate's policy positions or their potential to lead effectively.
  • The influence of tech and crypto sector spending on campaigns is a concern, but it's also true that a wide range of industries engage in political spending, and thei ...

Actionables

  • You can develop critical thinking by comparing different poll results on the same topic to identify potential biases. Start by selecting a current political issue and then look up polls from various sources, including those known for partisan leanings. Note the differences in outcomes and question the methodologies used, which will help you understand how bias can shape poll results.
  • Enhance your media literacy by creating a personal "trust index" for news outlets. Track the reporting of a single political event across multiple media platforms, score them based on perceived neutrality, depth of coverage, and reliance on evidence, and then average these scores over time to determine which sources you find most reliable.
  • You can practice informed voting by researching the ...

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