What is life? In this episode of the Making Sense podcast, Sam Harris and guest Sara Imari Walker take a fresh look at this age-old question from a physics and information-theoretic perspective. They critically examine traditional definitions of life and explore potentially expanding the concept to non-biological substrates such as technology.
Walker explains her "substrate-agnostic" view of life as information that can exist independently of its physical medium. The conversation delves into theories on the origins and evolution of life itself, including assembly theory, which defines complexity in terms of hierarchical construction steps, and constructor theory, which focuses on processes enabling objects' existence, with knowledge as a key "constructor."
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The complex nature of life is examined from both a physics and an information-theoretic perspective, offering insights that challenge standard definitions and explore the physical basis of life.
Sara Imari Walker and Harris delve into the pioneering thoughts of physicist Erwin Schrödinger, who contributed significantly to our understanding of the physical nature of life through his work.
Schrödinger speculated about the nature of genetic heredity, suggesting that a vast amount of information was necessary to specify all the details in a cell. He envisioned an "aperiodic crystal" as a means to store this robust information, leading to an understanding of DNA's role as the genetic material. His conceptualization of a non-periodic crystal has been instrumental in understanding how DNA can store extensive information and direct the functioning of living cells.
Sarah Imari Walker criticizes standard definitions of life used in astrobiology and discusses the ambiguous nature of life when considering edge cases and different substances.
Walker highlights the problems with standard definitions of life, particularly when applied to viruses and memes. These definitions, which characterize life as self-sustaining chemical systems capable of Darwinian evolution, stumble when confronted with the peculiar case of viruses, which don't uphold the self-sustaining criterion outside host cells. Furthermore, non-chemical systems, like memes, challenge the idea that life must be strictly chemical. The discussion also addresses complexities, such as the role of individual organisms and evolving populations and the status of entities like honeybee colonies, where the collective exhibits life characteristics, although individual bees do not engage in reproduction independently.
The physics and information-theoretic perspective on the nature of life
The concept of "artificial life" brings to the forefront a debate over the true nature of life and challenges long-held perceptions about the differences between biological and artificial systems.
Sara Imari Walker and Sam Harris engage in a conversation that delves into the very essence of what constitutes life. They consider whether the term "artificial life" truly conveys the profound challenge to our understanding of life and whether it can be realized in a machine. Walker critiques the term "artificial," as it seems to suggest that creations of human technology are somehow less natural and not part of a fundamental description of nature. She proposes that there is an evolutionary continuity between biology and technology, and that the same physical laws that led to the rise of biological life might well be at work through us to create other forms of living or intelligent entities.
Sam Harris questions the common distinction between biological and non-biological systems, considering such dividing lines as possibly provincial. He highlights that while many are ready to accept artificial intelligences as truly intelligent, society struggles more with accepting non-biological substrates as hosting "life."
Harris continues by suggesting that if humans were to create synthetic life that was cellular and "wet," it would likely be acknowledged as life without hesitation. This contrasts with the hesitation to rec ...
The concept of "artificial life" and whether it's a contradiction in terms
Sara Imari Walker, Lee Cronin, and David Deutsch explore assembly theory and constructor theory, two cutting-edge theoretical frameworks shedding light on the origin and evolution of complexity in the universe.
Walker and Cronin have developed assembly theory to tackle the problem of the origin of life. This approach posits that objects observed in living systems own their existence to hierarchically constructed, information-rich structures.
Assembly theory argues that complex objects with many independent parts, like a cell phone or DNA, cannot spontaneously come into existence. Everything complex needs a history of step-by-step construction from simpler parts, implying a selection process over time.
Walker uses chemistry and LEGOs as analogies for the hierarchical construction of matter, where bonds between atoms or the combination of simple bricks creates increasingly complex structures. However, with every level of complexity, the chances of spontaneous formation drop exponentially. Thus, most structural creations share the same construction history, developing increased complexity and novelty gradually over time. The "assembly index" is introduced as a measure for the depth of history or steps required to create an object, emphasizing that truly novel objects appear at the tips of this assembly process. Walker suggests that for these objects to persist, they must be reproducible with all their information, requiring an evolutionary lineage and time for construction.
Walker extends this concept to evolutionary biology by suggesting that some components of living individuals are billions of years old, having been continuously constructed over time on Earth.
Harris segues into the related domain of constructor theory, introduced by David Deutsch, to complement assembly theory's perspective on life's origin.
Constructor theory seeks to explain the universe not with initial conditions and laws of motion but rather through a lens of what transformations are possible or impossible.
Theories like assembly theory and constructor theory that attempt to explain the origin and evolution of life
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